AMD Phenom II X4 955 Black Edition at at 3.6ghz vs intel core i3 2100

[vishalaestro]

when a AMD Phenom II X4 955 Black Edition is overclocked to 3.6ghz using this mobo asus M5A88-M on stock cooler will it give better performance than i3 2100 at gaming

 

[diablo34life]

Clock for clock an i3 will walk all over a similarly priced FX4100, and you have a massively different video card, which namely, has a 256-bit memory interface which can handle massive amounts of texture bandwidth better than the 550ti and your CPU is clocked 15% higher, its comparing apples to oranges

Dry

you joking my video card is not massivley better. its a small amount better. the fx4100 and quad cores from amd will spread out games equally throughout there cores. the i3 gets choppy fps maxing out its only 2 cores. 256 bit memory doesnt do anything in modern games now for performance compared to 128. ive messed around with my oc and ive tried it at 3.6 theres no noticable difference intel fanboy.

 

[vishalaestro]

i have a problem on tom's hardware Gaming CPU Hierarchy Chart on October 26, 2011 amd Phenom II X4 Black Edition 975 was placed above i3 2100 suddenly on Gaming CPU Hierarchy Chart March 7, 2012 amd Phenom II X4 Black Edition 975 was placed below i3 i can't understand how it can happen ?pls see these links
March 7, 2012
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gaming-cpu-review-overclock,3106-5.html
October 26, 2011
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gaming-cpu-overclocking,3052-5.html

 

[DryCreamer]

Go to some of their benchmarks and see if it really gets out performed. I'm thinking it will on most except for incredibly threaded ones.

 

[vishalaestro]

Go to some of their benchmarks and see if it really gets out performed. I'm thinking it will on most except for incredibly threaded ones.

can't find any convincing benchmark

 

[clutchc]

i have a problem on tom's hardware Gaming CPU Hierarchy Chart on October 26, 2011 amd Phenom II X4 Black Edition 975 was placed above i3 2100 suddenly on Gaming CPU Hierarchy Chart March 7, 2012 amd Phenom II X4 Black Edition 975 was placed below i3 i can't understand how it can happen ?pls see these links
March 7, 2012
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gaming-cpu-review-overclock,3106-5.html
October 26, 2011
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gaming-cpu-overclocking,3052-5.html

The Phenom II X4 975 BE wasn't above the i3-2100 in the Oct chart; it was in the same tier. That means roughly equal. As game benchmarks were added and new games tested (and new processors tested), they bumped the i3-2100 up a tier. Remember, these charts are constantly in flux depending on the changing nature of gaming code.

 

[ngoy]

you joking my video card is not massivley better. its a small amount better. the fx4100 and quad cores from amd will spread out games equally throughout there cores. the i3 gets choppy fps maxing out its only 2 cores. 256 bit memory doesnt do anything in modern games now for performance compared to 128. ive messed around with my oc and ive tried it at 3.6 theres no noticable difference intel fanboy.

Your card is typically 10-20% faster. If he is using fraps or any other recording software, yes, his system is going to be slower without the extra actual 2 cores. And to disprove your youtube video, http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/fx-4100-core-i3-2100-gaming-benchmark,3136-7.html shows no "choppy fps"
and
http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu/display/amd-fx-8120-6100-4100_6.html
and
http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu/display/amd-fx-8120-6100-4100_7.html
and I could go on and on.

The i3 at most times is equal to, and when you get to high resolutions, totally blows the 4100 out of the water. An i3-2100 runs at 3.1Ghz, vs a 4100 which runs between 3.6 and 3.8. Plus the 4100 is SLOWER at everything else. The i3 has ONLY 2 cores, runs at 65W instead of 95W, and does any day to day office/surfing/etc FASTER than the 4100. Exactly who is a fanboy?

 

[radnor]

The Phenom II X4 975 BE wasn't above the i3-2100 in the Oct chart; it was in the same tier. That means roughly equal. As game benchmarks were added and new games tested (and new processors tested), they bumped the i3-2100 up a tier. Remember, these charts are constantly in flux depending on the changing nature of gaming code.

Does your I3 have VM instructions ? Nope. That for me for example is a big no-no. There are more points than just gaming "bang per buck", witch i consider silly, because games are "mostly" GPU bound. And not all games behave equal anyway.

 

[braincruser]

Why in the hells name do you need VM instructions? On a dual core... By a ordinary user that plays games. And surfs the net. listens to music. Sometimes converts a movie. VM is just not used by the targeted usergroup.

I too am iritated by intel locking its cpus to create artificial gap where there is none, just for the sake of price difference. but that doesnt change the fact that their architecture is fast enough in specific areas that are a performance hog, like games.
Face it, games are one of the few things that a normal person can do to push a processor to 100%.

 

[clutchc]

Does your I3 have VM instructions ? Nope. That for me for example is a big no-no. There are more points than just gaming "bang per buck", witch i consider silly, because games are "mostly" GPU bound. And not all games behave equal anyway.

What does that have to do with my statement about Tom's Hierarchy chart of Gaming CPUs?

 

[radnor]

Not much, just saying that intel in the lower tier models, usually plays dirty.

 

[vishalaestro]

hey even i can't see phenom ii 960t in toms hierarchy chart on march 2012 http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gaming-cpu-review-overclock,3106-5.html both i3 and 960t are same prices can 960t beat i3

 

[jjack339]

for gaming rigs under say 600-700AMD is a very viable option right now. Once you reach 800 you can fit an i5 2500k in, and AMD cant compete with that.

 

[amuffin]

The i3 is the cpu amd can't compete with. Even systems for 600 the i3 is a better choice. Also isn't longlastpnr the amd troll?

 

[amuffin]

Also isn't the 980 and phenom 955 use the same cpu architecture? So a 3.8ghz 980 can't really top an i3 at stock clocks, so the 955 at 3.6 shouldn't be able to either.

 

[vishalaestro]

are u having some benchmarks if u pls show them ..

 

[amuffin]

i3 vs 955
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/88?vs=289
i3 vs 980
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/362?vs=289
Conclusion:
i3-2100 outperforms the 955 @3.6ghz

 

[vishalaestro]

see these are the things i will do with my system ..watch hi-def movies,decompression,hearing musics,importantly playing games(at 1080p)currently using a 1600x900p monitor ,copying and pasting of files,heavy internet user ,programming with .NET,video conversion..from this i want a fast decompression of files ,good support for gaming at least for 2 years and the card should be able to support all games at-least at low settings after 2 years,the system should be able to respond very quickly and very important the system should serve me well for a maximum of 4 years as i will change the system usually once in 4years.. tell me the video card,processor,board and also the ram..i know that ivy bridge is coming at end of April so tell me what type of cpu do i need for these works done quickly..the budget will be 650 $ it should be bang for the buck..i know this is much for the budget i told u but under this budget is there a cpu that can do these things..

 

[truegenius]

so you want a full and final rig for atleast 4 years?

 

[vishalaestro]

YES...things that i don't need for the cpu is dvd drive and hdd i already have it..i don't include monitor ,speakers ,mouse and keyboard i already have those..im asking only cpu..

 

[truegenius]

1. do you have a good quality psu, if not then add it to your budget too?
2. how much is your budget for cpu+gpu+mobo+ram?
one more question.

(i3-2120 will use 65w, but phenom2 960t use 95w at base clock.
960t on 4ghz will use about ~120-130w (to become stable, including voltage) and when unlocked to 6 then it will use ~140-150w@3ghz.
960t@3ghz (4core) is 10% faster in aida64 zlib benchmark than i3@3.3ghz+ht.
but 960t@3ghz (6core) is 65% faster than i3@3.3ghz+ht in zlib.)

3. so will you be happy with more power consumption?

 

[vishalaestro]

1. do you have a good quality psu, if not then add it to your budget too?
2. how much is your budget for cpu+gpu+mobo+ram?
one more question.

(i3-2120 will use 65w, but phenom2 960t use 95w at base clock.
960t on 4ghz will use about ~120-130w (to become stable, including voltage) and when unlocked to 6 then it will use ~140-150w@3ghz.
960t@3ghz (4core) is 10% faster in aida64 zlib benchmark than i3@3.3ghz+ht.
but 960t@3ghz (6core) is 65% faster than i3@3.3ghz+ht in zlib.)

3. so will you be happy with more power consumption?

including psu my budget is 650$ ..here is the site i'm going to purchase www.deltapage.com..i will be happy if im geeting a power equal to i5 2320

 

[truegenius]

intel build
Asus MotherBoard - P8Z68-M PRO (Rs ~9.5k)
http://www.deltapage.com/products/Asus-MotherBoard-%252d-P8Z68%252dM-PRO.html
Intel® Core™ i5 2500K Processor - 3.3 GHz, 6 MB Cache, Socket 1155 (Rs ~12.5k)
http://www.deltapage.com/products/Intel%C2%AE-Core%E2%84%A2-i5-2500K-Processor-%252d-3.3-GHz%2C-6-MB-Cache%2C-Socket-1155.html
with 2 sticks of Corsair RAM Desktop DDR3 4GB 1333 MHz Value Select (Rs ~2.5k)
http://www.deltapage.com/products/Corsair-RAM-Desktop-DDR3-4GB--1333-MHz-Value-Select.html
XFX SMPS ProSeries 450W PSU (Rs 3k)
http://www.deltapage.com/products/XFX-SMPS-ProSeries-450W-PSU.html

(9.5k+12.5k+2.5k+3k=27.5k)

so you are left with around 6-7k (price of hd6750, seriously that site is charging too much for this gpu, as hd6790 is available at 6.5k in Nehru place) for gpu, but do not buy any gpu now as you will see a huge price drop with the launch of nvidia gtx6 series.

will be posting a amd build that will be equal to i5-2500k@3.3ghz in heavily threaded tasks, but not in gaming.

 

[truegenius]

amd build
AMD Phenom II X6 1090T Black Edition (3.2GHz, 9MB Cache) (Rs 9.3k) (only this cpu is available at that site)
http://www.deltapage.com/products/AMD-Phenom-II-X6-1090T-Black-Edition--%283.2GHz%2C-9MB-Cache%29.html
Asus MotherBoard - M5A88-M (Rs ~5.2k)
http://www.deltapage.com/products/Asus-MotherBoard-%252d-M5A88%252dM.html
with 2 sticks of Corsair RAM Desktop DDR3 4GB 1333 MHz Value Select (Rs ~2.5k)
http://www.deltapage.com/products/Corsair-RAM-Desktop-DDR3-4GB--1333-MHz-Value-Select.html
XFX SMPS ProSeries 650W PSU (Rs ~4.6)
http://www.deltapage.com/products/XFX-SMPS-ProSeries-650W-PSU.html
Asus NVidia Geforce GTX560 - 1GB DDR5 (Rs 11.2k)
http://www.deltapage.com/products/Asus-NVidia-Geforce-GTX560-%252d-1GB-DDR5.html

(9.3k+5.2k+2.5k+4.6k+11.2k=32.8k)

without gpu you will be left with around 12-13k for gpu (which is around the price of asus gtx560), but in my opinion you should wait for gtx6.

this amd build is equal to i5@3.2-3.3ghz in heavily threaded tasks like compressing, and can overclock upto 4ghz easily, and 1090t@3.75ghz will be equal to i7@3.4ghz in heavily threaded tasks.

but that intel build will be better in gaming (when paired with a good gpu), and can overclock to 4.5ghz which make it 35-40% faster than a 1090t@3.2ghz in heavily threaded tasks.

so in my opinion, as you want it for 4 years then waiting for some weeks will not hurt, and thus intel build is better.
but if you are in a hurry then you can go with amd build

 

[vishalaestro]

amd build
AMD Phenom II X6 1090T Black Edition (3.2GHz, 9MB Cache) (Rs 9.3k) (only this cpu is available at that site)
http://www.deltapage.com/products/AMD-Phenom-II-X6-1090T-Black-Edition--%283.2GHz%2C-9MB-Cache%29.html
Asus MotherBoard - M5A88-M (Rs ~5.2k)
http://www.deltapage.com/products/Asus-MotherBoard-%252d-M5A88%252dM.html
with 2 sticks of Corsair RAM Desktop DDR3 4GB 1333 MHz Value Select (Rs ~2.5k)
http://www.deltapage.com/products/Corsair-RAM-Desktop-DDR3-4GB--1333-MHz-Value-Select.html
XFX SMPS ProSeries 650W PSU (Rs ~4.6)
http://www.deltapage.com/products/XFX-SMPS-ProSeries-650W-PSU.html
Asus NVidia Geforce GTX560 - 1GB DDR5 (Rs 11.2k)
http://www.deltapage.com/products/Asus-NVidia-Geforce-GTX560-%252d-1GB-DDR5.html

(9.3k+5.2k+2.5k+4.6k+11.2k=32.8k)

without gpu you will be left with around 12-13k for gpu (which is around the price of asus gtx560), but in my opinion you should wait for gtx6.

this amd build is equal to i5@3.2-3.3ghz in heavily threaded tasks like compressing, and can overclock upto 4ghz easily, and 1090t@3.75ghz will be equal to i7@3.4ghz in heavily threaded tasks.

but that intel build will be better in gaming (when paired with a good gpu), and can overclock to 4.5ghz which make it 35-40% faster than a 1090t@3.2ghz in heavily threaded tasks.

so in my opinion, as you want it for 4 years then waiting for some weeks will not hurt, and thus intel build is better.
but if you are in a hurry then you can go with amd build

in summer days my room temp will get hotter so with a best cooler overclocking will be very tough..and i prefer a atx mobo and a 1600mhz ram can that be done under this budget and is overclocking feature necessary and also im not sure i require 650w psu why do i?surely i'm not in a hurry i want the best for the money

 

[truegenius]

if you want a cooler and quieter system then intel build got a +point,
as i5 use only 95w and thus less heat with same cooler.

atx board,
so what about this rs10.3k board Asus MotherBoard - P8Z68-V-LE (costs rs800 more than previous one) for intel
http://www.deltapage.com/products/Asus-MotherBoard-%252d-P8Z68%252dV%252dLE.html

or if going with amd then
Asus MotherBoard - M5A97 rs6k (costs rs800 more)
http://www.deltapage.com/products/Asus-MotherBoard-%252d-M5A97.html

those 1333mhz ram in duel channel will provide bandwidth equal to single 2666mhz ram and thus you will have more than enough bandwidth., also they can be overclocked to ~1600mhz at timings 9,9,9,24,34,1t@1.6v (negligible heat will produce)

the other option is corsair vengeance, but that site is charging too much for that stick, also timings of that 1600mhz corsair vengeance ram are 9,9,9,24,41,2t@1.5v@1600mhz while 9,9,9,24,34,1t@1.5v@1333mhz which is equal to corsair value ram sticks, so that is why i considered 2 sticks of that corsair value ram over corsair vengeance