AMD Phenom II X4 965 vs. Intel core i5-750

[dantoshi]

Which of these processors is the best one?

 

[Chad Boga]

Wow I love how the intel fanboys have to try to change the subject and bring up bs because they can’t disprove the facts stated. This is a black and white subject. The I5 runs anywhere from 2.66GHz to 3.20GHz. If you don’t consider turbo mode an overclock then why is it that all the information on it says that it is. Go to yahoo type in turbo mode then click search. What is the first thing that comes up: http://www.tomshardware.com/news/Turbo-Mode-Intel,6193.html
What does it call turbo mode? It calls it an overclock. Why is it that there is always 2 intel fanboys that trying to pull out little things when people aren’t preaching their intel bs.

So as I said:
B) Most reviews using an I5 also have turbo mode on, which means that the I5 is not at its stock speed it is overclocked.

D) “those benchmarks blow the Phenom II out of the water” What benchmarks, are you making assumptions and not thinking about turbo mode.
If you feel that taking a 2.66GHz cpu up to 3.2GHz is not an overclock then you are an idiot and I would like you to explain the 20% gain as anything else.

The i5-750 has a guarantee of always being able to run at 2.66Ghz, with possibility of it running higher if the thermal conditions allow for that, but it requires no user intervention to achieve these features.

Overclocking involves you going into the BIOS(or having a program from Windows access the BIOS settings) and making changes.

Changes not recommended by the manufacturer.

But can I ask why it matters to you?

The i5-750 sells for what it sells for and gets the performance it gets, if it's clockspeed was advertised as being faster as you would like, what difference would that make?

Do you think people would be less likely to buy the i5-750 if it was advertised as having a default clockspeed of 2.8 or 2.93Ghz, than if it runs at 2.66Ghz?

 

[keithlm]

Are there any reports from any IT media outlets reporting any such instances? Do AMD even raise this as a possible negative?

The answers to those questions are "No", and indeed you will go to any length to FUD with your pseudo-scientific approaches to technology that you clearly can't comprehend.

I mention that dynamic overclocking is basically the same as dynamic underclocking and the best you come up with is that? What a warped sense of reality you live in. Or were you off discussing something completely different but not mentioning what you changed the subject to?

Anyway: The rest of your post is a basically a bunch of ranting in an attempt to divert reality. We keep discussing the same things again and again. But you can't force your opinion onto me and I can't convince you that not everybody will agree with that opinion.

So we'll just pretend that you're right. I'll just bow out and let you bask in your truthiness knowing that you bested an AMD fan. (At least in your own fantasies.)

 

[Chad Boga]

I mention that dynamic overclocking is basically the same as dynamic underclocking and the best you come up with is that? What a warped sense of reality you live in. Or were you off discussing something completely different but not mentioning what you changed the subject to?

Anyway: The rest of your post is a basically a bunch of ranting in an attempt to divert reality. We keep discussing the same things again and again. But you can't force your opinion onto me and I can't convince you that not everybody will agree with that opinion.

So we'll just pretend that you're right. I'll just bow out and let you bask in your truthiness knowing that you bested an AMD fan. (At least in your own fantasies.)

It is far fetched to say dynamic overclocking is basically the same as dynamic underclocking, especially if you are dealing with different architectures to boot.

What's more, the potential performance loss of underclocking if the sensors in the CPU misread the conditions are far more significant because the percentage that a CPU can underclock is much higher than the percentage that Intel permits with Turbo boost, and that percentage deals with increasing speed not lowering it.

So do you think that a Turbo boost glitch could occur makes the CPU loose clock speed or produce data errors?


And you have made suggestions of possible downsides to Intel's technology that AMD themselves haven't chosen to make, and they aren't shy of making some fanciful claims at times.

 

[Pro Llama]

The i5-750 has a guarantee of always being able to run at 2.66Ghz, with possibility of it running higher if the thermal conditions allow for that, but it requires no user intervention to achieve these features.

Overclocking involves you going into the BIOS(or having a program from Windows access the BIOS settings) and making changes.

Changes not recommended by the manufacturer.

But can I ask why it matters to you?

The i5-750 sells for what it sells for and gets the performance it gets, if it's clockspeed was advertised as being faster as you would like, what difference would that make?

Do you think people would be less likely to buy the i5-750 if it was advertised as having a default clockspeed of 2.8 or 2.93Ghz, than if it runs at 2.66Ghz?

Did you actually read the post that I originally replied to? Someone who has no idea what he is talking about posted his bs opinion. I supported nether side; I only stated the flaws in what he said. Then you start attacking what I posted when it is black and white. Apparently there are a few different ideas of what overclocking is. To me if a cpu is running higher than its listed clock speed then it is overclocked. I’m not going to argue with you over that because neither of us with change what we think.

I never said that I wanted it listed as the higher clock speed. I just want to post the correct information when someone is obviously bios and posting junk.

I think if intel sold the i5 saying that it’s clock speed was 3.2GHz. Then stated that it underclocked to save energy and reduce heat. They may actually sell more to average joe because he thinks he I getting a faster cpu.

Why do you think that I am against intel? I have only stated facts and my belief that whichever one you can get for cheaper is the one you should get.

 

[notty22]

Turbo boost is a automatic dynamic feature of new cpu's from Intel
Understanding its significance and intent is lost on some.
Its use in mobile/laptops is an exaggerated sample of what its accomplishing.
Less power and heat usage until called upon.

Its not a 1.6ghz processor its a I7 720 which happens to have clock speed between 1.6-2.8.
Those speeds are available to every user equally.

 

[Chad Boga]

I think if intel sold the i5 saying that it’s clock speed was 3.2GHz. Then stated that it underclocked to save energy and reduce heat. They may actually sell more to average joe because he thinks he I getting a faster cpu.

I very much doubt that.

Intel would be opening themselves up to claims of misleading advertising, especially when 3,2Ghz only applies to one core and two core operation, in a best case scenario and 2.8Ghz when 3 or 4 cores are used.

It is one thing to deliver more than you appear to be offering, but delivering less would be met with incredible cynicism.

Why do you think that I am against intel? I have only stated facts and my belief that whichever one you can get for cheaper is the one you should get.

Well when you refer to me as an Intel fanboy, it makes me think you have a problem with someone who seeks to correct crazy or illogical claims made against a company.

 

[sighQ2]

To not let egregious lies and insanity, go unchallenged.

Thank you for your job description.

It seems you are on your own in that mission; but all you ever offer is mere contrariness.

If I say "the world is a beautiful place and I am so into self-appreciation in my aliveness here and now in this delightful experiential moment";

you would say some utterance of opposite - which, if you could stop and look for a moment, has nothing to do with the joy of my life, and, at best, outlines you as so very hurting, or something.

here....
let's try it and see

I say this:
"the world is a beautiful place and I am so into self-appreciation in my aliveness here and now in this delightful experiential moment"

and you reply with
chad said >>>> "quote"

Please proceed with your "egregious lies and insanity" comments.

Thank you in advance.

sigh
.

 

[Chad Boga]

Thank you for your job description.

It seems you are on your own in that mission; but all you ever offer is mere contrariness.

If I say "the world is a beautiful place and I am so into self-appreciation in my aliveness here and now in this delightful experiential moment";

you would say some utterance of opposite - which, if you could stop and look for a moment, has nothing to do with the joy of my life, and, at best, outlines you as so very hurting, or something.

here....
let's try it and see

I say this:
"the world is a beautiful place and I am so into self-appreciation in my aliveness here and now in this delightful experiential moment"

and you reply with
chad said >>>> "quote"

Please proceed with your "egregious lies and insanity" comments.

Thank you in advance.

sigh
.

As you almost appear normal in this post, there is no need for me to do what you asked. :lol:

 

[sighQ2]

Well another FTC legal mess would suffice 😀


I agree, but personal experiences can differ and therefore aren't the best evidence you can use. My own personal experience, for example, still disagrees with you. Considering there is precious other real evidence out there, none of us are going to convince each other of anything and saying things like "you must be stupid if you can't see that <blah blah blah>" is not a very good way of having a discussion.

In an ultimate sense, all I have is my personal experience - if I lack that, I am not here, or not alive, or don't exist. CB seems to deny his own experience - or at least we hear nothing of him.

Our personal experiences are never the same exactly - always variation - if we look at an object, I cannot see it from where you see it; I am here, and not there. And my previous exp's tend to be formative; and then later informative - and those are not you either. Your exp's are you or yours depending on relative state of identification, perception, etc. etc.

This is largely based in senses; that defy description; even tho most of those senses can be well described = but others can't. And so there is a uniqueness which is free to see beyond and do the impossible, since no one is saying we can't here and now in this moment, while we actually are doing exactly that - and if that occurs, it is beyond communication, unless the listener can hear it - which he can only do if he has had similar, and has memory of the consciousness of it. That would mean one sees oneself and remembers. And this is already a higher state - which means the observer can know more than at other lower moments, such as reading a bad trip. even such a thought breaks the mystery to something mundane.

What is gained at such times is known; in time it can be better appreciated.
That's what I am saying. This potentially facillitates the miraculous such as seeing the future - indeed, we have all said, "I knew that was going to happen"; but we ignore our senses beyond levels accepted my the masses - this stuff is unique and totally individual; and yet others can concur.

 

[sighQ2]

Turbo mode if part of an I5's stock features, you are not running the chip out of spec by having it turned on or benefitting from that, so your points about being overclocked are wrong.

Turbo will be OFF in oclocked mode. It is useless there. It's a mere trick to lie the bentmarx.

 

[sighQ2]

Watch opinions change when AMD starts doing it. If Intel does it, its cheating. If AMD does it, it's innovation.

Why doesnt the Intel side complaign about AMD ridiculous TDP\ACP scheme?

They don't dare draw attention to the lies - the way spintel omits, oops, measures partial TDP - power consumed is inconsistent, and heat generated says wow what's with all the heat. And then the fud about case temps, and the stated operational temps are subtly listed as "above ambient" - but no one notices that, not do they want to. The actual specs are devoid of clever deception - gee that's such a common theme, isn't it. The ACP scheme is aimed at exposing that lie also = you don't want to start that discussion. The antitrust, bribes, and bent compiler is enough already, wouldn't you think.

uncore absent??

 

[keithlm]

So do you think that a Turbo boost glitch could occur makes the CPU loose clock speed or produce data errors?

I answered that question at least 4 times now... you seem to be so focused on things I didn't say that you can't seem to bother reading or comprehending things I do say.

I myself can not accept a mechanism that creates sporadic and unpredictable behavior in a system. Since the Turbo-Marketing feature can not be guaranteed and there is no way of knowing whether it will produce the same results from one day to the next I find the entire mechanism to be lacking and unacceptable.

That fact combined with the fact that it doesn't really provide a huge performance boost in real world situations makes it completely worthless. In other words the price paid for getting that small boost is not worth it.

Sure it produces enough of a faux performance increase in benchmarks to fool some people; but if the performance boost is not 100% guaranteed then it is not acceptable. In addition it is not acceptable to mislead people into believing they can count on it.

On a similar note some people accept a certain amount of errors when overclocking to be acceptable. I personally would not find that situation to be any more acceptable than the unpredictable behavior allowed by this useless mechanism you seem to revere.

 

[BadTrip]

The ACP scheme is aimed at exposing that lie also = you don't want to start that discussion.

I don't want to start any discussion with you. Your flamboyant attempt to sound intelligent, enlightened, blah blah blah... makes my head hurt and makes you sound like a damn fool.

 

[BadTrip]

I answered that question at least 4 times now... you seem to be so focused on things I didn't say that you can't seem to bother reading or comprehending things I do say.

I myself can not accept a mechanism that creates sporadic and unpredictable behavior in a system. Since the Turbo-Marketing feature can not be guaranteed and there is no way of knowing whether it will produce the same results from one day to the next I find the entire mechanism to be lacking and unacceptable.

That fact combined with the fact that it doesn't really provide a huge performance boost in real world situations makes it completely worthless. In other words the price paid for getting that small boost is not worth it.

Sure it produces enough of a faux performance increase in benchmarks to fool some people; but if the performance boost is not 100% guaranteed then it is not acceptable. In addition it is not acceptable to mislead people into believing they can count on it.

On a similar note some people accept a certain amount of errors when overclocking to be acceptable. I personally would not find that situation to be any more acceptable than the unpredictable behavior allowed by this useless mechanism you seem to revere.

I understand your point on the cool n quiet, speed step, whatever. I don't like it either, but you have not provided one shred of evidence that turbo boost harms the system in any way.

 

[sighQ2]

It's his system and he has observed problems.

You want he should link you to his system?

That would be a security breach. 😀

 

[sighQ2]

As you almost appear normal in this post, there is no need for me to do what you asked. :lol:

yeh, easy to be straw man and hang with dorothy

You never know what turbo is doing or going to do. It's all dependent on heat. spintel blows it badly by distributing lame hsf, and it's well known that temps are a problem. So added to the cost, you must add $30-$50 to get a cooler.

In single thread, like a lot of lame benchmarketing, it helps; and so the bentmarx look good.

In full load, the temp is higher, and so your mileage will differ. Will turbo run? or is the fat tdp putting out too much heat already - and you can't tell with spintel.

In overcloxing, which everybody says, talks about, claims them famous for; you may as well turn it off; cos it isn't going to run (hopefully) and there's just no room left in the thermal envelope anyway. At that point, and this is the area where everyone says they recommend, the feature will usually be turned off, and so, since the emphasis is to oclox the almightly spintel junk, the feature is a mere marketing ploy.

Serious IT will not use turbo - cos they value their jobs.

But it looks good in the special handpicked, spintel DEFECTIVE compiled benchmarketing. And that's a lie, and a deception, and when will the giant monopoly get honest; if ever.

The other thing is the possiblility of chip burnout - I just saw this mentioned in another thread today. o well, what does spintel care, you can always replace it anyway and keep them in cigars.

ok chad - time to put on the straw hat and be contrary - proceed. your tin man friend will probably jump in too.

The problem is it's unpredictable - do you have some way of making predictable other than switching off turboid? 😴

 

[ElMoIsEviL]

I mention that dynamic overclocking is basically the same as dynamic underclocking and the best you come up with is that? What a warped sense of reality you live in. Or were you off discussing something completely different but not mentioning what you changed the subject to?

Anyway: The rest of your post is a basically a bunch of ranting in an attempt to divert reality. We keep discussing the same things again and again. But you can't force your opinion onto me and I can't convince you that not everybody will agree with that opinion.

So we'll just pretend that you're right. I'll just bow out and let you bask in your truthiness knowing that you bested an AMD fan. (At least in your own fantasies.)

Dynamic Overclocking does differ from Dynamic Underclocking in the sense that you must first bin the processor in order to ensure that it can function within the specifications required by "turbo mode" being turned on. That is to say that if the Maximum Turbo mode clock speed of a Corei5 750 is to be 3.2GHz then you bin the processor for at least >3.2GHz 24/7 operation. You need not do this with Dynamic underclocking.

In an ultimate sense, all I have is my personal experience - if I lack that, I am not here, or not alive, or don't exist. CB seems to deny his own experience - or at least we hear nothing of him.

Our personal experiences are never the same exactly - always variation - if we look at an object, I cannot see it from where you see it; I am here, and not there. And my previous exp's tend to be formative; and then later informative - and those are not you either. Your exp's are you or yours depending on relative state of identification, perception, etc. etc.

This is largely based in senses; that defy description; even tho most of those senses can be well described = but others can't. And so there is a uniqueness which is free to see beyond and do the impossible, since no one is saying we can't here and now in this moment, while we actually are doing exactly that - and if that occurs, it is beyond communication, unless the listener can hear it - which he can only do if he has had similar, and has memory of the consciousness of it. That would mean one sees oneself and remembers. And this is already a higher state - which means the observer can know more than at other lower moments, such as reading a bad trip. even such a thought breaks the mystery to something mundane.

What is gained at such times is known; in time it can be better appreciated.
That's what I am saying. This potentially facillitates the miraculous such as seeing the future - indeed, we have all said, "I knew that was going to happen"; but we ignore our senses beyond levels accepted my the masses - this stuff is unique and totally individual; and yet others can concur.

All you have is your own personal experience if you choose to only rely on your own personal experience. If you choose to be a bi-polar or schizophrenic fool then that is your choice. I say this not to demean folks who are actually bi-polar or schizophrenic but rather to showcase that some people choose to be fearful of others rather than being mindful of others. This fear and mistrust of others leads to a fear of the knowledge and experience derived from others in the empirical scientific fields. People are then more prone to simply latch on to a world view and condemn any opposing evidence as merely being "biased" or somewhat "corrupted" information that they will choose to simply ignore (all the while there being no reasonable line of reasoning and no evidence to suggest that the information is either biased or corrupted... just the mental perception of the individual willing it to be as such).

I'd rather place my trust in science and the scientific method. Like all things it is fallible but at least it has historical precedences behind it to attest to it's validity (solving problems, putting a man on the moon, curing illness and irradiating smallpox etc just to name a few).

You claim that you are nothing without your own personal experiences? I state that you only hold one piece of the puzzle. To be truly human, rational and reasonable... you must also learn from the experiences of others as well as a reasonable approach to the interpretation of data. It's not all one large conspiracy... no one is out to get you.

We only know what we can test for and prove. Everything else remains unknown for now. And I feel comfortable in answering certain queries with "I don't know". Do you?

Turbo will be OFF in oclocked mode. It is useless there. It's a mere trick to lie the bentmarx.

My CPU is overclocked and Turbo is on. Explain that for me please

They don't dare draw attention to the lies - the way spintel omits, oops, measures partial TDP - power consumed is inconsistent, and heat generated says wow what's with all the heat. And then the fud about case temps, and the stated operational temps are subtly listed as "above ambient" - but no one notices that, not do they want to. The actual specs are devoid of clever deception - gee that's such a common theme, isn't it. The ACP scheme is aimed at exposing that lie also = you don't want to start that discussion. The antitrust, bribes, and bent compiler is enough already, wouldn't you think.

uncore absent??

Please enlighten us all on how the FTC allegations and the Intel Compiler issues have anything to do with performance figures regarding AMD and Intel processors in a desktop environment? You are aware that the Intel compiler only holds <2% of the market in the Desktop/Gaming/Home user segment right? And that the Intel Compiler is predominantly only used in the High Performance PC segment right?
Also.. can you link FTC Allegations with how empirical data shows that Corei5 750 > Phenom II X4 965 in terms of performance? What's the link there?

I answered that question at least 4 times now... you seem to be so focused on things I didn't say that you can't seem to bother reading or comprehending things I do say.

I myself can not accept a mechanism that creates sporadic and unpredictable behavior in a system. Since the Turbo-Marketing feature can not be guaranteed and there is no way of knowing whether it will produce the same results from one day to the next I find the entire mechanism to be lacking and unacceptable.

That fact combined with the fact that it doesn't really provide a huge performance boost in real world situations makes it completely worthless. In other words the price paid for getting that small boost is not worth it.

Sure it produces enough of a faux performance increase in benchmarks to fool some people; but if the performance boost is not 100% guaranteed then it is not acceptable. In addition it is not acceptable to mislead people into believing they can count on it.

On a similar note some people accept a certain amount of errors when overclocking to be acceptable. I personally would not find that situation to be any more acceptable than the unpredictable behavior allowed by this useless mechanism you seem to revere.

Core i5 750: $194.99 USD
Phenom II X4 965: $195.99
The price paid for a small boost? Enlighten me on how much "more" does one have to pay between these two processors? Turbo Mode functions as needed. It is guaranteed to function so long as the TDP is kept in check. I have had it functioning without issue on my system. It is not as sporadic as you claim. With my system it can be locked on (always remaining on no matter the workload).
Please elaborate. I feel all of your information comes from the false findings showcased by Scentia over at AMDZone.

It's his system and he has observed problems.

You want he should link you to his system?

That would be a security breach. 😀

Who's system?

 

[logainofhades]

I read that thread of Scientia's over @ AMD zone. There is the only way I can describe it and AMD zone in general....

 

[haywood]

this thread = sad

 

[keithlm]

The price paid for a small boost? Enlighten me on how much "more" does one have to pay between these two processors? Turbo Mode functions as needed. It is guaranteed to function so long as the TDP is kept in check. I have had it functioning without issue on my system. It is not as sporadic as you claim. With my system it can be locked on (always remaining on no matter the workload).
Please elaborate. I feel all of your information comes from the false findings showcased by Scentia over at AMDZone.

You are confusing the term "price paid" with the amount of money the unit costs.

However I was not referring to money, I was referring to the added complexity, additional point(s) of failure, and less predicable behavior. Those are three things that are "paid" to get your little whizbang useless benchmarketing feature.

But since you mention it... the monetary price is the same at this time. Since I'm not stupid enough to blindly accept the opinion of people on forums to make my purchasing decisions for me but I actually do my own research... I'll take the PhII X4 since it performs just as well without needing a gimmick to do so.

 

[logainofhades]

No it just needs a higher base clock to do so. Please stop making AMD users look bad with your fanboi bs.

 

[someguy7]

Turbo mode is not a marketing gimmick or Turbo-marketing as you and the rest of the loons call it.

 

[sighQ2]

Dynamic Overclocking does differ from Dynamic Underclocking in the sense that you must first bin the processor in order to ensure that it can function within the specifications required by "turbo mode" being turned on. That is to say that if the Maximum Turbo mode clock speed of a Corei5 750 is to be 3.2GHz then you bin the processor for at least >3.2GHz 24/7 operation. You need not do this with Dynamic underclocking.



All you have is your own personal experience if you choose to only rely on your own personal experience. If you choose to be a bi-polar or schizophrenic fool then that is your choice. I say this not to demean folks who are actually bi-polar or schizophrenic but rather to showcase that some people choose to be fearful of others rather than being mindful of others. This fear and mistrust of others leads to a fear of the knowledge and experience derived from others in the empirical scientific fields. People are then more prone to simply latch on to a world view and condemn any opposing evidence as merely being "biased" or somewhat "corrupted" information that they will choose to simply ignore (all the while there being no reasonable line of reasoning and no evidence to suggest that the information is either biased or corrupted... just the mental perception of the individual willing it to be as such).

I'd rather place my trust in science and the scientific method. Like all things it is fallible but at least it has historical precedences behind it to attest to it's validity (solving problems, putting a man on the moon, curing illness and irradiating smallpox etc just to name a few).

You claim that you are nothing without your own personal experiences? I state that you only hold one piece of the puzzle. To be truly human, rational and reasonable... you must also learn from the experiences of others as well as a reasonable approach to the interpretation of data. It's not all one large conspiracy... no one is out to get you.

We only know what we can test for and prove. Everything else remains unknown for now. And I feel comfortable in answering certain queries with "I don't know". Do you?



My CPU is overclocked and Turbo is on. Explain that for me please



Please enlighten us all on how the FTC allegations and the Intel Compiler issues have anything to do with performance figures regarding AMD and Intel processors in a desktop environment? You are aware that the Intel compiler only holds <2% of the market in the Desktop/Gaming/Home user segment right? And that the Intel Compiler is predominantly only used in the High Performance PC segment right?
Also.. can you link FTC Allegations with how empirical data shows that Corei5 750 > Phenom II X4 965 in terms of performance? What's the link there?



Core i5 750: $194.99 USD
Phenom II X4 965: $195.99
The price paid for a small boost? Enlighten me on how much "more" does one have to pay between these two processors? Turbo Mode functions as needed. It is guaranteed to function so long as the TDP is kept in check. I have had it functioning without issue on my system. It is not as sporadic as you claim. With my system it can be locked on (always remaining on no matter the workload).
Please elaborate. I feel all of your information comes from the false findings showcased by Scentia over at AMDZone.



Who's system?

You feel all of my information - that's a lie. You feel nothing. You think you know. You know nothing. I feel the truth of what I say - even if it's a lie. That's not a contradiction in my world.

thanx so very much for the fictional dissertation.

It would be good if you could prove your 2% thing - good luck.

Apart from that you say nothing but mindless drivel. Any 12 yr old could blow your doors off. But you get high marks for quantity.

this point
>>> We only know what we can test for and prove. Everything else remains unknown for now. And I feel comfortable in answering certain queries with "I don't know". Do you?
If I don't know, I don't know. if I want to know, I move to solution.
But I do not limit myself as you herein describe. I have learned or known, at times, what is unknown, or even unknowable.

I will waste my time trying to briefly explain this unique experience to you. Unrecognized sources directed me to experience something I knew not existed. I came I saw and had no previous knowledge of it's existence. And other events - beyond normal senses. Not under the affluence of incohol or other mood, mind altering substances. But that's private. And no I cannot link to it. ummmm not in the usual sense anyway. I will not discuss this further.

My experience is not yours - don't try to place your limits on me. Enjoy them yourself. I am not you - you hear that?

As for your infinitely amazing pc - I could care less. I suspect there are explanations for how to accomplish almost anything - and with spintel junk I see enough in misrepresented benchmarketing that I have little patience left with such seductions; never mind more from you.

Beyond that i suspect you are using industrial strength impractical cooling to offset the gross actual tdp which I already know from other experience of my own and others is not as per spintel's lying specs. or is it just slight of hand. You could cook rice on it. But that would be over cooking and not overcloxing.

I am not easily impressed with figures or descriptions of your magnificent pc that you paid too much for - I have no idea and no interest in your personal property or how you arrange it or config it or what goes on with it. This based on personal opinion based on previous experience with your posts.

Thank you very little for dropping in - besides your pc is not what the topic is here; and so it is not representative of that or servient to it. Additionally ego is of little interest to me. You can't buy around that.

You should have turboid off - it does nothing in your sys - it's oclox at 4.2 you said in another thread - you gonna tell us that turbo is going to kick in and blow it up? and how about that voltage cap at 1.65 - pop - oops.
Or maybe you believe it's pushing itself to 7gigahertz, simultaneously convering itself to an AMD, which it copied, as you know - more spintel justification.

You must use air conditioning, or icewater. Or did you find a way to create your own liq nitro. That would be experience. For a few days.

I have no further interest in your personal experience at this time - but you are welcome to try to impress me with anything other than your attempted negation and egotistical violations of my personal boundaries.

Now you will probably mutter the meds babble, right? You have never experienced this. Barely a peek.

Anyway, thanks for the general devastation wherever you go. Keep up the bombardment and flames; the facts are different. You may go now.

 

[randomizer]

Does anybody actually have hard numbers for the ICC market share (and market share of all major compilers preferably)? I've seen numbers ranging from <2% to 80% so my guess is that most people actually don't have a clue and are making up percentages based on other people posting things like "Intel has the majority" or "Intel's compiler is only used for HPC."

 

[sighQ2]

elmo said
>>> "Please enlighten us all on how the FTC allegations and the Intel Compiler issues have anything to do with performance figures regarding AMD and Intel processors in a desktop environment"?


Try reading it for yourself - it's very clear - spintel is doomed - try that thread for links.

The New York State suit is very interesting also - lots of damning evidence amassed already - google might help you - just a little - then you can discredit it cos you know better.

HINT - it's about a decade of bribes and DEFECTIVE compiler. The benchmarketing is mainly unreliable info since it is thereby relegated to FUD STATUS.

So an AMD unit that previously almost beat a spintel fraud cpu, is now faster than all of them.

It's very simple really. But change is difficult. Have fun - ya see? now you have to buy a Phenom II to placate your ego. But some sucker will buy your spintel thing. Have no fear; the marketing monopoly makes that easy - but when the public generally catches on; well, could be a different story.
wake up call.