AMD Releases ATI Catalyst 10.11 Graphics Drivers

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i have not seen any performance or things that fix shit for a while from ati. i love ati. have 3x4890's got them when they were below 200 bucks. still plays everything that i want at 1920 x 1200 and 1920 x 1080. on my 27 inch monitors. and the 24inch. core i7 920 at 4.4 ghz 12gb ram and p6x58d premium. with a mushkin force series ssd 120gb.
 
[citation][nom]tpi2007[/nom]Tom's Hardware, please do as I: buy a new Radeon HD 6000 series card.Go to the AMD site, select this series to download drivers. What do you get ? Tarammm! 10.10! Yes! 10.11 does not officially support the HD6000 series!10.11 is probably the first driver release in history that treats customers of the new series as second class users. Unless you want to run the risk of installing an unsupported Hotfix, which, by the way, does not solve many of the problems HD6000 series users are complaining about.The 10.11 release focuses on HD5000 series. And the Hotfix 10.10e too; the rest of the features listed in 10.10e is a copy-paste of the 10.10d release.Of course, there is a 25 million HD 5000 series market to cater too, but... treating HD6000 users like this is bad PR. At least treat users equally! Going out and rush MLAA support for HD5000 series when users weren't even expecting it, is doing things the wrong way around.[/citation]

maybe they arent done with any improvements on the 6000 series... why should they make the 5000 series customers wait?
 
I think its too much to ask for ati or nvidia to make consistent driver updates that increase performance each time. There is a limit to what drivers can accomplish in way of performance. I agree that some titles can be improved but its more important to have a stable driver with less bugs. That seems to be what ATI has problems with, although not having a recent ATI card I can only go by what others say. Some people dont have any issues with their drivers.
 
Finally fixing the overdrive issue (always running at max speed even outside of applications) is the best part about these new drivers.
 
[citation][nom]luke904[/nom]maybe they arent done with any improvements on the 6000 series... why should they make the 5000 series customers wait?[/citation]

Well, because that means they are focusing their attention and resources on a series that has more than enough driver version to choose from, while the HD6000 series only has one, which has bugs that need correcting.

What is the message they are trying to convey here ? "We released these new series, but are still focusing on the previous one that has more than 12 driver versions available ?" Or "We released the new series, BUT don't buy them just yet."
 
I have a 5770. Been using 10.8 up until yesteray when I decided to upgrade. Installed 10.11 expecting to get MLAA but sadly, no luck. So I did some digging, found out that 10.10e is the one to get for MLAA, got it, and I got MLAA but sadly it's not up to all the hype. Quality isn't any better than say Adaptive AA, and it chops framerate pretty well. AdaptiveAA works better and looks better without MLAA and it runs better too. Maybe only the 6000 series works as well as advertised.
 
[citation][nom]tpi2007[/nom]Well, because that means they are focusing their attention and resources on a series that has more than enough driver version to choose from, while the HD6000 series only has one, which has bugs that need correcting.What is the message they are trying to convey here ? "We released these new series, but are still focusing on the previous one that has more than 12 driver versions available ?" Or "We released the new series, BUT don't buy them just yet."[/citation]

its not as though every single problem in the world can be solved if you spend more time on it. the relatively new 6000 series has few customers sending in error reports while the 5000 series probably has lots.

thank you for being one of those stupid consumers that buys something the week it comes out and works out the kinks for the rest of us :)

sorry i know I sound like a jerk, but i couldnt resist
 
[citation][nom]bildo123[/nom]TBH I really ever wonder if there's any point to upgrade your video drivers beyond any specifically noted fixes/performance enhancements mentioned. Really, I'm sure the drivers from this time last year don't really make any difference for my 4870.[/citation]

In reality, you are right. Well for the most part. While in most cases once you stop seeing performance enhancements for your series of GPUs (I have a HD4870 as well) its best to just stay with what was stable and working well.

I have 10.10 only because I did a fresh install of Windows 7 (I do a fresh install every year for every OS from XP to 7 so far) and I always download the latest drivers when I do that. But if I didn't I would probably be at the last driver that added performance for the HD4K series.

There are some rare exceptions though. Sometimes a game will need the newest drivers to run even if you have a older GPU. In that case get the newest drivers. If not always stick with what works.
 
[citation][nom]luke904[/nom]its not as though every single problem in the world can be solved if you spend more time on it. the relatively new 6000 series has few customers sending in error reports while the 5000 series probably has lots. thank you for being one of those stupid consumers that buys something the week it comes out and works out the kinks for the rest of us sorry i know I sound like a jerk, but i couldnt resist[/citation]


Yes, you are.
 
[citation][nom]nutriment6464[/nom]did they fix dual screen flicking issues with 95% of ati 5850/70/5770/6850/70 users? AND the VERY annoying cursor bug in sc2, I still like the perfs I'm getting though, all games silky smooth... BUT FIX THOSE DAMN PROBLEMS[/citation]


NOPE! These drivers actually give me TONS more flickering(understatement) on my 3 monitor(non-Eyefinity) setup.
When I mouse over a link in twitter, the image on my right monitor gets replicated and offset by several hundred pixels so it is ANNOYING
 
[citation][nom]iam2thecrowe[/nom]I think its too much to ask for ati or nvidia to make consistent driver updates that increase performance each time. There is a limit to what drivers can accomplish in way of performance. I agree that some titles can be improved but its more important to have a stable driver with less bugs. That seems to be what ATI has problems with, although not having a recent ATI card I can only go by what others say. Some people dont have any issues with their drivers.[/citation]


lets not forget that nvidia released drivers that killed older cards, or that they caused the most reasons why windows crashes.
 
I sincerely don't know why people are voting down my comments.

I do support AMD, it's good for the competition to have two or more manufacturers, but the fact that AMD is the underdog should not serve as an excuse to release half-baked drivers.

Let's objectively see something here: They released the HD6000 series without Windows XP support. That is a fact. It took them two hotfixes to provide it (10.10a didn't do it; only 10.10b did it), but if you don't trust hotfixes because they are not supported nor fully tested by AMD (they say so themselves, either way they are not WHQL anyway).

So, in all, there are no officially supported driver for Windows XP for the HD6000 as of today. Real enthusiasts might not mind installing a Hotfix, but if the drivers fry the card (and it can happen, just look at Nvidia), AMD will just say, "Hey, you were at your own risk, we put a disclaimer there).

Do you think this is reasonable ? And by that I mean releasing a graphics card to the market without a WHQL driver for Windows XP ready ?

Do you really think this is admissible ? These cards are for gamers. And according to the Steam Hardware Survey (http://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey/) Windows XP 32 bit is still the second most used OS with 26.55%, right after Windows 7 64 bit with 33.37%.

This can only mean one thing: the release of these cards was, for some reason, rushed.

I'm not targeting AMD because I have something against them; I would say the exact same thing about Nvidia.
 
I wish ATI would improve how the EyeFinity setup works. It's like very unstable setting it up and doesn't make any sense. Maybe its just me (it probably is) but it's like they never had user testing with it. It's so confusing to setup and it doesn't have to be. Other than that, I like their drivers and love my 6850 with 3 displays!
 
Quote: "Now if they'd only come up with half decent Linux drivers"

Does Nvidia pay people to slam ATI's Linux drivers? ATI has far better Linux drivers than Nvidia now(both fglrx and Radeon), and Nvidia's are only getting worse.

AMD gave documentation to the open-source devs, and the last 4 kernel revisions have had working, stable Radeon open-source driver with functional 3d acceleration out of the box(which can replace fglrx for 95% of all people).

The Nouveau driver is light years behind, because Nvidia won't help with it, whilst at the same time their proprietary blob driver fails to support many of the newer kernel features...
 
As a new owner of the HD 6850 card I've been eagerly awaiting the new drivers to see what kind of goodies might come with them only to find this. I took this directly from the maker of catalyst's twitter site:
http://twitter.com/CatalystMaker
"Correct. It is not supported. 10.10e is the newest driver for 68xx users (and for everyone else as well actually)"
 
[citation][nom]Linus_Torvalds_Jr[/nom]Quote: "Now if they'd only come up with half decent Linux drivers"Does Nvidia pay people to slam ATI's Linux drivers? ATI has far better Linux drivers than Nvidia now(both fglrx and Radeon), and Nvidia's are only getting worse. AMD gave documentation to the open-source devs, and the last 4 kernel revisions have had working, stable Radeon open-source driver with functional 3d acceleration out of the box(which can replace fglrx for 95% of all people). The Nouveau driver is light years behind, because Nvidia won't help with it, whilst at the same time their proprietary blob driver fails to support many of the newer kernel features...[/citation]

I've been using the open source ati driver for a while now and they are great, full 3d desktop effects out of the box and you can always upgrade to the latest kernel without needing to wait for AMD to release a driver for it.
 
tpi2007, if you're unhappy with your HD6000 series card, I'll gladly send you my HD4830 card in exchange. That one has a bunch of drivers available for it, including ones that work in XP. Since the number of available drivers seems to be more important to you than performance, I'd gladly trade you since my main desktop PC, which runs this HD4830 card and all my games, is using Windows 7 64-bit.
 
Seems to me AMD is improving along the Radeon's driver support.
Went from 10.6>10.10c without issues(Although my vapor-x does seem a bit hotter)
I hope to see the Radeon drivers to continue in improvement, it'll be nice for both Nvidia and Radeon users to stop comparing video cards based on failed Driver updates.
I would get this driver, but seeing as it doesn't improve the 5770's performance yet I don't plan on it. Maybe when a hotfix comes along or 10.12, I just hope the 5700's aren't already losing updated driver benefits.
 
[citation][nom]dtemple[/nom]tpi2007, if you're unhappy with your HD6000 series card, I'll gladly send you my HD4830 card in exchange. That one has a bunch of drivers available for it, including ones that work in XP. Since the number of available drivers seems to be more important to you than performance, I'd gladly trade you since my main desktop PC, which runs this HD4830 card and all my games, is using Windows 7 64-bit.[/citation]

Thank you, but you lost yourself in you own irony and failed to see the point; anyway, I'm also using Windows 7 64-bit; that's not my personal issue either, I was describing the situation in general.

Either way, I just upgraded from an 8800GT Turboforce Edition, which performs as well if not better than your card.

The problem is not number of available drivers or performance either, it's the simple fact that the current drivers are buggy! And I'm not the only one saying it. I can't run Crysis or Crysis Warhead, no matter what I do. It crashes the whole PC, no Ctrl+Alt+Del even helps, it's a hard crash when I try to load a chapter. And almost everyday Windows tells me that Catalyst Control Center or whatever has crashed. It's crashed more than seven times.

I've uninstalled everything (both Nvidia and ATI), used Driver Sweeeper in Safe mode, used CCleaner, deleted Crysis and Warhead, redownloaded them via Steam, tried DX9, DX10, different quality settings, tried 10.10, a,b,c,d,e and nothing! The last time I uninstalled everything from ATI and used driver sweeper in safe mode to get rid of everything and do a fresh reinstall of the drivers (10.10.e), all I got as an added reward was a new "gift" in the form of a corrupted mouse pointer in Windows! I then had to revert to 10.10, which solved the corrupted mouse pointer. But still can't play Crysis or Warhead!

And guess what, I played through both games just fine with my previous 8800GT, with the exact same system configuration, both software and hardware.

The point is they are not giving a good image of themselves if they do not say a thing about the HD600 series when they release a driver set (10.11) that DOES NOT support it!

Of course it takes time to solve all the problems, but it's also true that you don't or can't solve them all at the same time. And that happened with all the other series. But they could at least have focused on solving SOME for now.

But no! What does a consumer see ? They announced MLAA as a big feature for the HD6000 series and then rushed to give it to the HD5000 series too! I have nothing against that, but couldn't they do that, say, in December, or January, and for now focus on their NEW cards?

They could at least have said yesterday that they are working HARD at solving the reported problems with the HD6000 series. That would give me some confort. But they didn't. And it's that behaviour, like they don't care (even if they do, but it's the lack of message here that counts), that bothers me!
 
It's simply newer drivers focuses mainly on newer graphics card series. If you don't see any improvment in their release notes related to your graphics card of bug fixes, then it's pointless to upgrade to those drivers.
 
Everyone should note that on their download page they also have a AMD Catalyst Accelerated Parallel Processing (APP) Technology Edition, which provides the same driver and Catalyst Control Center but also adds OpenCL support.
 
[citation][nom]hardcore_gamer[/nom]since when ?[/citation]

In general. On a discreete graphics market they are now level with Nvidia, but they're still behind in the graphics market (think Intel with their integrated graphics), and behind on the CPU market.

Some people tend to treat AMD with some kind of condescendence because of that. I treat them fairly, if they treat me, the consumer, fairly.
 
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