AMD Releases Value-Oriented Athlon II X2 280

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I have NEVER used a dual core CPU that I was impressed with, and I'm talking about how sluggish they run just trying to push common Windows functions.

They really don't impress me, and never have. Single core... dual core... same thing to me.
 
[citation][nom]MaXimus421[/nom]Single core... dual core... same thing to me.[/citation]

Try running PCSX 2 on Pentium III/Athlon, then try running it on Core2Duo/Phenom II X2...after you do, return here and tell us if your opinion changed... :\
 
While the rigor mortis comment is funny as hell...it does seem sort of appropriate too. Unless your goal (or contest) is to build the cheapest machine you can that can actually be useful you'd have to wonder who this is marketed to. "I want to build a computer...but I only have $50 to spend on the processor." How many people are saying that?
 
[citation][nom]DarkSable[/nom]^Aside from your bad grammar, your trolling is atrocious. This is actually a very smart move on AMD's part, as this should help counter the Pentium as the budget CPU of choice.It's pretty impressive for being only $50[/citation]

Sarcasm >>> You
 
I actually have an AM3 based system I am looking to do a CPU upgrade on. Currently has an X2 255. Was thinking about an X4 640 but for $50 at 3.6GHz, might be hard to pass up.
 
[citation][nom]Excella1221[/nom]I don't understand what's funny or even wrong. Intel still releases new lines of Pentium and Celeron, lol.[/citation]

Athlon = Same Old thing. Not Piledriver/Bulldozer[Although it is good that it was not Bulldozer Based] 45nm

New Pentium and Celerons are downclocked non Hyperthreaded I3s... But still Ivy/Sandy in Architecture 32/22nm
 
Dislike it all you want, Clock speed wins every time. (special software like Lightwave, Blender, Softimage, Maya excluded). Unless it's heavely threaded you aren't benefiting from multicore. ANything more than 2 is even debatable. AX,BX,CX,DX,EX,EE all cant share the their info between executions (cores). ITS ALL MARKETING, but go ahead buy your slower clocked extra core CPU.
 


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[citation][nom]antilycus[/nom]Dislike it all you want, Clock speed wins every time. (special software like Lightwave, Blender, Softimage, Maya excluded). Unless it's heavely threaded you aren't benefiting from multicore. ANything more than 2 is even debatable. AX,BX,CX,DX,EX,EE all cant share the their info between executions (cores). ITS ALL MARKETING, but go ahead buy your slower clocked extra core CPU.[/citation]
Cpu comparison at 3GHz 1 core each: http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/processor-architecture-benchmark,2974.html
Rather dramatic differences between architectures.

Many games already use more than two cores (try playing Battlefield III especially multiplayer on a dual core without HT), video/audio encoders, compression utilities (7-zip), and more. That's why a quadcore like 3570K are constantly recommended for gaming as awesome values.

Windows have tons of processes, background programs (update, antivirus, etc.) you don't know when one will be active, even when you run something intensive.
 
[citation][nom]antilycus[/nom]Dislike it all you want, Clock speed wins every time. (special software like Lightwave, Blender, Softimage, Maya excluded). Unless it's heavely threaded you aren't benefiting from multicore. ANything more than 2 is even debatable. AX,BX,CX,DX,EX,EE all cant share the their info between executions (cores). ITS ALL MARKETING, but go ahead buy your slower clocked extra core CPU.[/citation]

Your theory of clock speed winning all of the time is wrong in pretty much every way I can think of.

Comparing say a 3.4GHz Pentium D to a 2.6GHz Sandy/Ivy Pentium shows that clock speed is not everything because that Pentium D will be way slower than the newer Pentium.

Nowadays, well-threaded software is getting extremely common. Most DX11 games scale well across four threads and a few scale well across up to six or eight threads in many situations. Even average use stuff such as some web browsers, compression/decompression programs, and much more can use multiple cores very effectively. Heck, even if stuff isn't heavily threaded, the sheer advantage of being able to run many instances at once can let many core CPUs show their worth. For example, although some professional workloads are still single-threaded, you can run multiple instances of them as well as multi-task with other things and more if you have a CPU with several cores.

Anything with more than two is not debatable at all. All modern CPUs can share info either through the main system memory or if they have it, L3 cache. AMD's modular CPUs can even share data within each module through their L2 and some of their L1 cache. Most average users can get away with dual core CPUs simply because they don't do anything intensive enough for more to one or two to be worth having, but anyone who does anything intensive can make use of more than two with ease if they want to. Multi-core CPUs are not all marketing whatsoever and most people here at Tom's are more likely to do things such as mid-ranged or high-end gaming or other intensive workloads and be able to make good use out of a CPU with four to eight threads.

[citation][nom]antilycus[/nom]Becaus enothing beats clock speed, period. 2 cores is probably the most you'll get out of todays "just make it compile" programmers. It's truly a dying art. Everyone just wants their results and they don't care how they get it (IBM excluded). A 4GHZ single core processor will wipe the floor of a quad core 2.0 ghz processor. memory can't be shared between cores. You are still only excecuting one instruction per cycle (2 w/ "hyper threading"). Either way data from core one, can't be shared with core2, so you are always suck waiting. Multicore is a marketing gimick.[/citation]

There aren't many situations where a 4GHz single core CPU will best a 2GHz quad of the same architecture. The main system memory can and is shared between all cores of a CPU (heck, it can even be shared between multiple CPUs in multi-CPU systems and some go as far as to share it between multiple independent computers).

All modern x86 CPUs can and do execute multiple instructions per cycle. Hyper-Threading has nothing to do with executing multiple instructions per cycle; Hyper-Threading is about letting a core juggle two threads to make more efficient use of its resources at a given time.

Furthermore, data is always shared between cores. If it couldn't be shared, than multi-core CPUs couldn't even work at all because data-sharing is absolutely necessary. Windows constantly shuffles threads around cores and if not for the capability of sharing data, that simply wouldn't be possible.
 


Having L3 is not the same as having L3 that matters. For example, compare the FX-4300, FX-4170, and A10-5800K. The 4170 has 8MiB of L3, the 4300 has 4MiB of L3, and the A10 has no L3, yet their CPU performance is almost always within 5%-15% of each other. AMD's L3 cache seems to be too slow to usually make significant difference in even most workloads that usually like good L3 caches 🙁
 
I've had decent experiences with Athlon II X3 and X2s. They will still work well for budget systems, etc.
This CPU is worthy of considering as an upgrade and new build IMHO. It's fast and dual core; performance enough for everyday use.
It'll also be interesting to see unlock reports of these CPUs too.
AMD always has something interesting going on.
 
This is a great processor for machines used by Secretaries, Elementary Schoolers, Inet Cafés,Starting business, Governments supply auctions, Greedy companies who wanna use the gear until silicon turn into dust,etc.

And a this price point; the Sempron can be discontinued. It almost always unlock into Athlon II x2 anyway...
 
why not just OC your "regor"? I have a 250 in my son's pc and even with a 6790 it's slow on "modern" games. my daughter has a 220/6670 and same deal (hers is OC to 3.55 his 3.512). I don't see another 100 MHz making a big difference. rather than scavenge old tech I am getting an ivy bridge Pentium and mobo for my girl and giving my son my phenom ii 720be. even web surfing gets slow on regors. I guess it's a good idea for getting rid of old stock but 45nm is dinosaur tech in pc land. Athlon ii x2 280 just seems pointless to me.
 


You are definitely a good, truly wise father. If only there were more parents like you, in the world out there... :hello:
 
[citation][nom]DarkSable[/nom]^Aside from your bad grammar, your trolling is atrocious. This is actually a very smart move on AMD's part, as this should help counter the Pentium as the budget CPU of choice.It's pretty impressive for being only $50[/citation]


They are called jokes my friend. Learn to recognize them once in a while
 


lol, yeah. my kids and i like to do online/lan gaming together. tf2, l4d, l4d2, WoW, SWTOR, CS ... it sucks when one of us lagging because of crappy hardware. my girl's IB pentium is a decent gaming pc now, sure as heck better than her athlon ii 220, which was slow at playing facebook games honestly.
 


My Turion 64 TL-60 is much slower than an Athlon II 220 (maybe half as fast, if even that) and I've never known a Facebook game to have poor performance with it, so I think that your system with an Athlon II 220 may have had a problem other than the CPU performance.
 



Your probably right. I never witnessed it but that is what I am told. Doesn't matter to much anyway as that machine and my old pentium d 940 are Linux machines now. May run a home server from the 220 (the pd940 uses a lot more power and is slower).
 
[citation][nom]master_chen[/nom]Try running PCSX 2 on Pentium III/Athlon, then try running it on Core2Duo/Phenom II X2...after you do, return here and tell us if your opinion changed... :\[/citation]

PIII's and Athlons were outdated designs compared to C2D and Phenom II, not to mention cpu's went from 1GHz to 3GHz in that span of time. Those PS2 emulators would run just fine an an Athlon 64 3200+.
 
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