AMD Roadmap Hints At Three GPU Launches By 2018

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Its not like the good old days where chips were twice as fast every year or every other year at most. I miss those days!

It might be boring from the hardware enthusiasts' point of view but for the mainstream, it means only having to worry about CPU upgrades every 5-10 years instead of every 3-4. I used to have an itch to upgrade two or three years after building myself a new PC and personally, I am happy that I can now get a more reasonable amount of use out of my PCs before I need to make room in my budget for upgrades. At the rate Intel CPUs have been improving, my i5 will last me 5-7 years instead of 3-4 for my previous PCs: already three and a half years old and there is nothing in the foreseeable future that seems worth upgrading to.

Edit: and when I look at how Intel is jacking up prices on new i3/i5/i7, I am even more glad that I won't need to pay the ticket price again any time soon.

 

[junkeymonkey]

I got to admit upgrading times are stretched out a bit longer today for sure I can skip a lot of new stuff due to my old stuff is still going strong for my needs

 

[kcarbotte]

blowtonboy, come on ....

how may times have we had to hear all that and nothing to show ?? wheres zen that's been talked up seems like 5 years now ?? come on

pretty much i'll believe it when I see it at newegg .. not just at hype sheets . lots of talk but little to no action [next year]

To my knowledge, Zen was first mentioned in late 2014.

With a die shrink by a multiple of 2 we should be expecting hopefully 150% more performance IMO.

Area-wise, that would be a die shrink by a factor of 4X: going from 28nm to 14nm is half the width and half the length.

In principle, they should be able to pack 3-4X as much performance in the same die area but if they did that, they would only get one product cycle out of 14-16nm before being stuck near the process' physical limits. As much as I would like the first 14nm step to provide 150% more performance for a given die size or price point, I doubt we are going to see more than 100% and even that might be too optimistic.

In the past, new GPU generations only brought 40-66% more performance to a given price point.

The GPU industry has been moving towards more efficient designs rather than more powerful. AMD is continuing on this path, so I would not expect that level of performance increas on the next generation. More likely a moderate power increase with dramatic power draw improvements.

"how may times have we had to hear all that and nothing to show ?? wheres zen that's been talked up seems like 5 years now ?? come on"

Hrm, i dont think zen has been mentioned for anything close to 5 years, i want to guess about 2 years, but im not sure if its even been that long. The wiki page for zen was created in may of 2015, so thats not even a year ago.

Maybe it just seems like 5+ years because the cpu industry has been so boring for the last 5+ years. Not just amd, but intel as well, nothing exciting for quite some time now.

Same with the gpu industry for the last 3 years or so. Sure nvidia had a nice reduction in power usage with their last set of gpus, but performance wise, being stuck on 28nm for both amd/nvidia has sucked big time. Again the graphics industry has been pretty darn boring the last couple years as well for that reason.

Process node issues as of late have just been so depressing. Its not like the good old days where chips were twice as fast every year or every other year at most. I miss those days!

I miss those days too, but frankly we don't really need it. There's a reason AMD has been able to sell low priced APUs and CPUs that are built on a 7 or 8 year old architecture. Software these days doesn't need that kind of power increase.

The mobile market is surpacing the desktop market in graphics power because it can integrate specialized processors into the SoCs they use. AMD recognizes this and has started in that path with the integration of HBM memory wiht the Fiji GPU, and the implementation of specialized processors in its new APUs like the h.265 decoders.

The future is more integration, and better efficiency. We'll see performance increases, but the days of 200% performance upgrades in a few years are over.

 

[junkeymonkey]

''There's a reason AMD has been able to sell low priced APUs and CPUs that are built on a 7 or 8 year old architecture. Software these days doesn't need that kind of power increase. ''

don't know about all that, seeing all the amd chip threads here lately . I think things caught up to them and there showing there age bad -- AM3+ is what drove me over to intel for my first time in like 16 years - and cant say it was the wrong move the apu chips have no meaning to me , think now why they had to fall back to Athlon for them ?? if fx was so good why not use the more powerful chip ?? [8350 with on chip graphics] hmmm.....

 

[turkey3_scratch]

Aside from CPUs (where AMD desperately needs Zen to be a success and not push it back any farther), in the GPU world, now that I think about it, neither Nvidia nor AMD have any good reason to release cards early. It is smart for them to keep delaying. Heck, we may not even see a desktop card of Pascal or Polaris in 2016. Why would they want to release them? Nvidia sells GTX 970s like hot cakes. AMD still does well competitively in the GPU market with competitive pricing. Both companies sell GPUs and make money from these sales, Nvidia moreso. Why would Nvidia even want to release new cards when a ton of people are buying countless numbers of their current Maxwell cards?

If anything, between Nvidia and AMD, I see more reason for AMD try try to get Polaris into the desktop market first. Nvidia does sell more GPUs than them, and Steam hardware statistics prove quite some more users have an Nvidia GPU. So AMD, while they still sell a lot, are not selling as much, so my thinking is that Nvidia is not moving a muscle until AMD does. Nvidia is making big bucks in the desktop segment, and they do not want to release Pascal until AMD decides to fire the first shot.

 

[junkeymonkey]

''If anything, between Nvidia and AMD, I see more reason for AMD try try to get Polaris into the desktop market first. Nvidia does sell more GPUs than them''

why would I buy one ?? I got a solid hd 7000 card so what do I get ?? a refresh of the refresh of the refresh ?? even I look at NVidia and the cost of something that may not do much better everyday use cause the hd 7000 series still handles things well and with less issues as these newer card .. heck look at nvidias drives lately its starting to make AMD look good in that department way I see it until this card just quits or burns up I'm covered ..


'' Steam hardware statistics '' is that from there mandatory client on your hard drive collecting that data [and the rest of your data] ???

 

[turkey3_scratch]

I am an AMD card owner, R9 390, and I see it as a solid card, and many others do, so AMD doesn't have much reason to rush Polaris in since people still buy their GPUs.

 

[none12345]

"I miss those days too, but frankly we don't really need it."

Sure if all you want to do with a computer is send text messages and email....well the computer i had 20 years ago was just fine for that.

1 or 2 orders of magnitude in computer power would open up a lot of possibilities. If things had gone at the same pace they were back in the early to mid 2000s we'd have something like 8 core 20ghz chips by now. On the graphics front if they didnt get stalled on 28nm, we would be at 3 or so times faster then they are now. Which means easily doing 4k content.

On other fronts. For instance autonomous vehicles, thats basically what they are going to need. Well you dont need 20ghz 8 core, but that would make the amount of power you do need cheap enough to put it in every car.

On the VR front, you'd need every bit of that and still be wanting for more power to give a proper VR expiereince. Youd be talking about 8k vr instead of 1080p heh. But really you need to be in 16k territory to get rid of the screen door effect for VR.

It would get gaming out of the rut of crappy low poly graphics that weve been stuck with for the better part of the last decade. There were a lot of advances there, then it just stopped. Sure the pixels look better, but things are still way too blocky(especially the landscape/worlds) Just not enough polys. I would love a 10x increase in poly count.

I havent had to buy a new system since 2009(other then 1 gpu upgrade, and buying an ssd at some point, as well as larger hard drives).

Just boring having a system(midrange) from 2009(except the graphics card/ssd) that isnt all that much slower then what you can get today for the same money.

 

[turkey3_scratch]

Believe me, once we start hitting limits in silicon around 2020 when the node gets too small, things will move really slow in the PC world of progress.

 

[junkeymonkey]

I think they do I would like a upgrade but cant see whats out there now over what I all ready got - and then if I had to it wount be the amd cards due to there lack of os support now at least with a 960 I still got all the way back to xp on a recent driver and all NVidia cards have still analog support native with the dvi-I see how amd has me limited on what I can do or use ? whats funny to me is how AMD chips and board still support down to xp but not there cards [like your 380]

I want the hardware that got me covered for how I want to use it not how they want me to and limits/proprietary's me [like that skylake junk ] , but that's just me

just seems upgrading hurts me more then it helps or benefits me now a days

 

[spentshells]

I believe it is easy enough to figure out what "scalability" means: HBM pushed the memory interface width to the limits of what is practical to manufacture, HBM3 or whatever comes around after HBM2 will push data rates to the limits of what is electrically practical too. If you cannot push the bandwidth between a processor and its memory much further, the only direction left is parallel chips: high bandwidth interconnects between chips with an architecture optimized for distributed load sharing.

And frequency obviously.

 

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Believe me, once we start hitting limits in silicon around 2020 when the node gets too small, things will move really slow in the PC world of progress.

Things are already moving slow simply due to the bulk of software being mostly single-threaded and CPUs having reached the limit of single-threaded performance scaling.

Intel and AMD could easily launch mainstream CPUs with 3-4X the raw processing power by simply ripping out the IGP and replacing that with 8-12 extra CPU cores but there is no point in doing so when there is nearly no mainstream software for such CPUs, so they set that aside for workstation, server and prosumer/high-end enthusiast chips.

 

[turkey3_scratch]

Yeah doesn't the iGPU take up, like, 80% of the area?

 

[kcarbotte]

''There's a reason AMD has been able to sell low priced APUs and CPUs that are built on a 7 or 8 year old architecture. Software these days doesn't need that kind of power increase. ''

don't know about all that, seeing all the amd chip threads here lately . I think things caught up to them and there showing there age bad -- AM3+ is what drove me over to intel for my first time in like 16 years - and cant say it was the wrong move the apu chips have no meaning to me , think now why they had to fall back to Athlon for them ?? if fx was so good why not use the more powerful chip ?? [8350 with on chip graphics] hmmm.....

The people that read Tom 's Hardware make up a very small percentage of the overall customer base for AMD.
Low end CPUs and APUs tend to sell to casual PC users, not enthusiasts. There's a hell of a lot more casual users out there.

 

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Yeah doesn't the iGPU take up, like, 80% of the area?

For Skylake, the IGP takes about the same amount of space as the four CPU cores do.

For Haswell with GT3/3e graphics though...

And Broadwell...

 

[kcarbotte]

I got to admit upgrading times are stretched out a bit longer today for sure I can skip a lot of new stuff due to my old stuff is still going strong for my needs

Isn't that great!?
I've been able to take on several side hobbies over the years because I no longer feel like I have to replace my CPU and motherboard every other year.
A new GPU ever so often gets the job done.

"I miss those days too, but frankly we don't really need it."

Sure if all you want to do with a computer is send text messages and email....well the computer i had 20 years ago was just fine for that.

I've been running an i7 2600K since Intel first launched it in early 2011. It is 5 years old and still running strong, with no indication of software being held back in any way. It's currently paired with a GTX 980ti and it is also not held back.
That combination allows me to play games across three 1080p panels with comfortable frame rates and high levels of detail in practically any game. It can also handle 4k at reasonable frame rates. It's certainly not CPUs that hold us back in that regard.

1 or 2 orders of magnitude in computer power would open up a lot of possibilities. If things had gone at the same pace they were back in the early to mid 2000s we'd have something like 8 core 20ghz chips by now. On the graphics front if they didnt get stalled on 28nm, we would be at 3 or so times faster then they are now. Which means easily doing 4k content.

That's a mighty big if man. The entire engineering world is just getting past the 28nm problem, and Intel and AMD both admitted that dialing up the clock speed has hit a wall, many years ago. That's why we see parallel computing taking over. Your theoretical world is simply a fantasy. Things haven't been going at the same pace as they were in the 90s, early 2000s, or mid 2000s.
There's been major advancements in other ways though, Most notably power consumption.

On other fronts. For instance autonomous vehicles, thats basically what they are going to need. Well you dont need 20ghz 8 core, but that would make the amount of power you do need cheap enough to put it in every car.

Autonomous vehicles will have specialized SoCs designed for thier specific needs. Take a look at the PowerVR demos that were revealed today to get some context on what I mean. When a processor is designed for one specific task, they can to amazing things for much less energy and wiht what seem like very weak processors on paper.

http://www.tomshardware.com/news/powervr-ray-tracing-console-graphics,31411.html

On the VR front, you'd need every bit of that and still be wanting for more power to give a proper VR expiereince. Youd be talking about 8k vr instead of 1080p heh. But really you need to be in 16k territory to get rid of the screen door effect for VR.

You have no idea what you are talking about in regards to VR. Go try a Vive or a consumer Rift and come back and tell me if you see any screen door. Unless you are specifically looking for it, you wont.

Will higher res be better? Sure, you bet it will. Do you need that for a "proper VR experience?" Absolutely not. Just ask anyone who's actually tried a Vive.
Or watch a youtuber who just had one sent to them, like Jacksepticeye, for example.

A proper VR experience is about being swept away from the real world, and it's the content that does that more than anything.

BTW, the resolution of both the Rift and Vive is 2160x1200.

None of that even speaks to the fact that 4K panels that run at 90Hz don't even exist, and there's not video cable standard that could even handle that much data right now. 16K is litterally years away from feasibility.

It would get gaming out of the rut of crappy low poly graphics that weve been stuck with for the better part of the last decade. There were a lot of advances there, then it just stopped. Sure the pixels look better, but things are still way too blocky(especially the landscape/worlds) Just not enough polys. I would love a 10x increase in poly count.

Panel manufacturers had to catch up. Game graphics had been held back for years because there were not advancements in LCD panel sizes and resolutions. Now there are, and games will now catch up. It all happens as a trickle down effect.
Now that people are buying 4K panels, GPUs will catch up next and be able to play games well on them, then we'll see games get better gaphic fidelity.

I havent had to buy a new system since 2009(other then 1 gpu upgrade, and buying an ssd at some point, as well as larger hard drives).

Just boring having a system(midrange) from 2009(except the graphics card/ssd) that isnt all that much slower then what you can get today for the same money.

You aren't gaming at 4K then. Why are you complaining about poly count?

I think they do I would like a upgrade but cant see whats out there now over what I all ready got - and then if I had to it wount be the amd cards due to there lack of os support now at least with a 960 I still got all the way back to xp on a recent driver and all NVidia cards have still analog support native with the dvi-I see how amd has me limited on what I can do or use ? whats funny to me is how AMD chips and board still support down to xp but not there cards [like your 380]

I want the hardware that got me covered for how I want to use it not how they want me to and limits/proprietary's me [like that skylake junk ] , but that's just me

just seems upgrading hurts me more then it helps or benefits me now a days

You're using Windows XP still? How are you even browsing the internet? I didn't think modern browsers worked on XP.
You have bigger concerns than GPU driver support if you are on XP though. I can't think of many games that even support that OS these days. It won't be long before you'll need Win10 to play some titles (DX12)

 

[junkeymonkey]

''It won't be long before you'll need Win10 to play some titles''

-- how do you figure ?? how much today is still running on dx9 ??

''You're using Windows XP still'' ya why ?? xp vista 7 Linux is this not why I use a computer to do computer thing with as ''I'' want to or as they want me to ?? should I throw all the windows stuff away I paid good money for and works excellent just over there new card ?? you show how well they got you fooled and screw over ..

''I can't think of many games that even support that OS these days''

that's because your probably one of them vid game baby sitter generation you don't know what real pc gaming is or was like or about just brought up on mom's c card and steam and a x-box I guess to keep you out of there hair and don't understand what a full retail copy means ?? I got at least 45 games that work well on xp look over your games box at its specs ,, oh sorry I forgot your a steam rental game guy and never had a real pc game on a retail disk with out the need of any 3ed party clients or internet connection and can load and use when ever how ever you want and don't know or realize any of this lol... ya, buddy they see you coming a mile away ...

due I would not support any game that a 3ed party has more control over it then I do and dang sure aint installing there malware clients on my hard drives think about it with out steam or uplau or origin you really got nothing you rely on them to, play and accept there content..

I don't see dx12 becoming any mainstream at least for another 2 or 5 years anyway then I could not care less .. all just part of there gimmick to keep you in line

did you know with steams eula you agreed to them making changes to you computers security ''with out limitations '' ?? now why would I want to give up that for there crap rental games ??

''For reasons that include, without limitation,'' system security'', stability, ''

'' You consent to such automatic updating'' [weather ti may harm your computer or not ] as said ''with out limitation ''' so with that means what ever they want as they see fit.. ya you accept them way before you think about getting a game .. me I just stick the disk in and load and go -no steam origin or uplay no internet required no accepting any 3ed party content nothing just play my game as ''I'' see fit

http://store.steampowered.com/subscriber_agreement/

as P.T Barnum said ''a sucker is born every minute ''

so as you see I don't got to worry about the malware called windows 10

one more thing say you hard drive crashed and nothing can be recovered no back up and say steam will not let you log in or you can access them of just now off line - where are you going to get your games from you paid for ?? steams out there done so now what ?

like I said in the end you got nothing

see me I just stick the full retail disk in load up and play wile I laugh it up as seteam burns to the ground cause I'm not affected in any way

 

[kcarbotte]

''It won't be long before you'll need Win10 to play some titles''

-- how do you figure ?? how much today is still running on dx9 ??

''You're using Windows XP still'' ya why ?? xp vista 7 Linux is this not why I use a computer to do computer thing with as ''I'' want to or as they want me to ?? should I throw all the windows stuff away I paid good money for and works excellent just over there new card ?? you show how well they got you fooled and screw over ..

''I can't think of many games that even support that OS these days''

that's because your probably one of them vid game baby sitter generation you don't know what real pc gaming is or was like or about just brought up on mom's c card and steam and a x-box I guess to keep you out of there hair and don't understand what a full retail copy means ?? I got at least 45 games that work well on xp look over your games box at its specs ,, oh sorry I forgot your a steam rental game guy and never had a real pc game on a retail disk with out the need of any 3ed party clients or internet connection and can load and use when ever how ever you want and don't know or realize any of this lol... ya, buddy they see you coming a mile away ...

due I would not support any game that a 3ed party has more control over it then I do and dang sure aint installing there malware clients on my hard drives think about it with out steam or uplau or origin you really got nothing you rely on them to, play and accept there content..

I don't see dx12 becoming any mainstream at least for another 2 or 5 years anyway then I could not care less .. all just part of there gimmick to keep you in line

did you know with steams eula you agreed to them making changes to you computers security ''with out limitations '' ?? now why would I want to give up that for there crap rental games ??

''For reasons that include, without limitation,'' system security'', stability, ''

'' You consent to such automatic updating'' [weather ti may harm your computer or not ] as said ''with out limitation ''' so with that means what ever they want as they see fit.. ya you accept them way before you think about getting a game .. me I just stick the disk in and load and go -no steam origin or uplay no internet required no accepting any 3ed party content nothing just play my game as ''I'' see fit

http://store.steampowered.com/subscriber_agreement/

as P.T Barnum said ''a sucker is born every minute ''

so as you see I don't got to worry about the malware called windows 10

First off, note the title under my name. I'm not some teenager commenting in the forums.
I've been around the block a few times. Built my first gaming PC 17 years ago. I have dozens of games on disk, but I can't remember the last time I've even seen a PC game in a store.

I said "some" games. If you don't want them, that's cool.
I like to play the latest and greatest stuff. If you're playing games that don't use the latest tech then you also don't need a high end GPU either.

DX12 won't be mainstream for a while. 2 to 5 years is probably a fair assumption, but there will be some this year. Its only a matter of time before they have exclusives. They did it with DX10.

Windows XP is ancient by PC standards. You don't need to move to Win10, but you should do yourself a favor and get somethign that actually get security patches still. There's so many exploits for WinXP it's crazy. I'm actually stunned to find someone in the forums that still uses it.
If you're that worried about having control over your PC's software, why aren't you running Linux?

 

[junkeymonkey]

dude as I said I don't need the internet unlike you do for your games I yet to see any reason to go to 8 I mean why ?? see your duped into that steam crap and your trapped .. I don't need the internet for anything but browsing and toms hardware all my stuff works fully with out it ...

''''If you're that worried about having control over your PC's software, why aren't you running Linux'' ?? what ?? did I not say that above ?? [then my typing skills aint the best anyway .. lol.. ]
[from above]
''ya why ?? xp vista 7 Linux is this not why I use a computer to do computer thing with as ''I'' want to or as they want me to ??'' I see Linux listed as OS I use ?? [mint 17 now]

anyway back to the amd card thing I said above about how I cant go back to a amd card cause it has too many limitations and one I seen here is like said here on gta 5 '' (*NVIDIA video card recommended if running Vista OS)

I seen some threads where guys with amd cards could not run a game but NVidia guys could if I recall max payne was one I got that cant run on a amd card on anything over vista . works well with NVidia

to me amd hurts themselves with little things they do like that like I was saying NVidia 's gtx 960 and 950 still gives support back to xp with its latest driver http://www.nvidia.com/download/driverResults.aspx/99509/en-us

what I also find funny whay not the 970 980 or 980ti ?? funny how there lesser cards have better support then the higher end cards [in more ways then os support as well ]

anyway AMD just keeps shooting them selves in the foot and makes it harder for a guy like me to look there way all that hmb and die shrinks don't mean nothing is you cant fully use the card for everyday needs

like with Linux and the fury heres what was said on that

http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=amd-r9-fury&num=1

if you look at other articles there amd aint doing too well as NVidia on Linux

so if I spend money I cant see AMD anymore for now do I spend on a card that has a lot of limitations and don't support my needs or a card that does ??

 

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Windows XP is ancient by PC standards. You don't need to move to Win10, but you should do yourself a favor and get somethign that actually get security patches still. There's so many exploits for WinXP it's crazy. I'm actually stunned to find someone in the forums that still uses it.

I have for over $10 000 worth of development boards and software licenses tied to my P4 running XP. I also use that PC to run some old hardware such as my scanner which does not have (official) drivers for anything newer than XP. I'm not going to go through the trouble of upgrading all of that for stuff I use for a handful of days every other month. My workbench laptop has only 1.25GB of RAM and a 60GB HDD, I cannot be bothered to upgrade it beyond XP either, it is only there for the convenience of browsing datasheets without being tied anchored to my desk, wasting tons of bench space or being stuck on a 7" tablet screen.

The way Microsoft is aggressively pushing Windows 10 via questionable methods, I am now far more worried about receiving malware directly from Microsoft through Windows Update than websites and other sources. I got tired of uninstalling Microsoft's nagware every time Microsoft decides to re-classify updates and reset the 'hide' setting on unwanted items so I disabled Windows Update.

 

[junkeymonkey]

''The way Microsoft is aggressively pushing Windows 10 via questionable methods, I am now far more worried about receiving malware directly from Microsoft through Windows Update than websites and other sources. I got tired of uninstalling Microsoft's nagware every time Microsoft decides to re-classify updates and reset the 'hide' setting on unwanted items so I disabled Windows Update.''

that's a big +1 for you could not agree more ...

I like this deal as well ''Skylake users given 18 months to upgrade to Windows 10''

http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2016/01/skylake-users-given-18-months-to-upgrade-to-windows-10/

cant wait to see how that all ends up [skylake + win-10= disaster ] I never seen anything like it as this with intel and Microsoft

you know you use to buy stuff that supported what you do. now it seems you buy stuff to support them and screw you

 

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'cant wait to see how that all ends up [skylake + win-10= disaster ] I never seen anything like it as this with intel and Microsoft

It is not an Intel thing. This is entirely Microsoft deciding not to (actively) support old CPUs and chipsets in newer Windows version. When Zen eventually comes out, Microsoft probably won't release any official support for any OS older than Windows 10, same goes with Intel's Kaby Lake which should come out this summer and Skylake-E.

 

[junkeymonkey]

maybe so ? no telling like this deal at first [funny thing is how this also now affect older builds as well trying to do a usb install ]

http://wccftech.com/intel-skylake-remove-support-usb-based-windows-7-installation-platform-specs/

any way you look at it kinda to me goes toward what you sais and I see

''''The way Microsoft is aggressively pushing Windows 10 via questionable methods,''

what something like that to deter folks from 7 and to try to strong arm you to 10 ?? I feel the days of a ''personal'' computer are near over it now more a proprietary public computer you build soon..

like I said more to you now support there needs over them supporting yours weather you like it or not , too bad so sad....

like you said well above about upgrading I try to show how today you maybe better off sticking with a new haswell build and let all this blow over or at least see what lies ahead .. at least with haswell your arm aint getting so twisted behind your back

you don't have so many limitations as above lots of cpu support where skylake don't have much and cant use xeon on 100 series boards.. you see between skylake and 10 all the threads left and right or the guys with older build and do the 10 upgrade and regret it or just the ones that tried it and want to go back and find its not so easy if at all ect.....

sad times , I can understand it helping out in there support overhead but then to flat leave folks and near drop them cold I think is just a bad way to do it

like you maybe not near all the cost got great old software and hard ware that don't work on nothing but xp and vista and still fully functional I guess to them [Microsoft/AMD ] I need to chunk it in the trash and rebuy it all for 10 and don't work 1/2 as good or what was standard is now a at a price extra add on ?? well I guess they all make fresh money on that kind of deal

I don't know like I said it seems upgrading does more harm to me the good and I seem to loose out on something because I did and its not supported

I'm done, I spewed enough here on this

enjoy

 

[uglyduckling81]

Zen coming in October
http://wccftech.com/amd-zen-cpu-8-core-summit-ridge-launching-october/

 

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Zen coming in October

If writing on the wall is accurate.

The next two questions are: how much of that "better than 40% IPC improvement" will really be delivered and how much of a premium will AMD charge assuming they do deliver on that "40+%" claim.

The last time AMD thought they had one-upped Intel with the FX-9570, they initially priced their space heater chip right out of the market. Will AMD price their 8C16T CPUs near i5k level ($250), i7k level ($350) or i7k/x level ($400-1000)?