News AMD RX 6000-Series GPUs Are Much Cheaper Than Nvidia RTX 30-Series Cards

[hotaru.hino]

As long as people identify some hardware as an Intel, AMD, or NVIDIA part, does it really matter how similar their model numbers are to each other? Numbers like 550, 4770, or 6800 might be ambiguous by itself, but the moment you slap on a manufacturer's name, it narrows it down considerably.

• 550
  • Intel: i3-550
  • AMD: Radeon RX 550(X)
  • NVIDIA: GeForce GTX 550 Ti
• 4770:
  • Intel: i7-4770(K)
  • AMD: Radeon HD 4770
• 6800:
  • Intel: i7-6800(K)
  • AMD: Radeon RX 6800(XT)
  • NVIDIA: GeForce 6800 (LE, GTO, GT, GS, Ultra, Ultra Extreme, how's that for suffix overload?)

 

[Eximo]

Except you have to know that Intel and AMD chipsets aren't compatible with each other. GPUs, doesn't matter so much.

Though we have run into the odd RX580 GTX580 confusion here.

Pretty sure there was only ever the i7-6800K, which is itself confusing since it is a HEDT chip and isn't compatible with the i7-6700K chipsets. But you likely wouldn't have found that processor in front of the general public.

 

[hotaru.hino]

Except you have to know that Intel and AMD chipsets aren't compatible with each other.

I don't see what chipset compatibility has anything to do with identifying a product based on its manufacturer. Sure, there's a lot of ambiguity if someone says "470 motherboard", but the moment they say it's an Intel or AMD part, it narrows a lot of things down pretty quickly.

 

[SunMaster]

It's been my impression that for the last 25+ years the various suppliers of computer hardware it has been a "numbers race", where the one with the highest number indicated the highest performance.

If you stare a while at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_AMD_graphics_processing_units and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Nvidia_graphics_processing_units you may (or may not) recognize relatively similar patterns.

 

[Eximo]

I don't see what chipset compatibility has anything to do with identifying a product based on its manufacturer. Sure, there's a lot of ambiguity if someone says "470 motherboard", but the moment they say it's an Intel or AMD part, it narrows a lot of things down pretty quickly.

That someone could walk in to a store with a little knowledge, or an expectation that the convention they are used to still holds, and buy the wrong parts. It has happened, even a few instances I can recall on these forums where we had to tell them to return one or the other to build a working system.

If you can also imagine the extreme cost of redoing all the marketing materials (particularly if you were blindsided) all for the sake of a little market share in an industry with only TWO options.

 

[KyaraM]

That someone could walk in to a store with a little knowledge, or an expectation that the convention they are used to still holds, and buy the wrong parts. It has happened, even a few instances I can recall on these forums where we had to tell them to return one or the other to build a working system.

If you can also imagine the extreme cost of redoing all the marketing materials (particularly if you were blindsided) all for the sake of a little market share in an industry with only TWO options.

Thanks to my dyscalculia, I have to look twice or even thrice sometimes. Especially with B-series chipsets of either CPU developer. I think that's also something people have to consider before judging.

 

[hotaru.hino]

That someone could walk in to a store with a little knowledge, or an expectation that the convention they are used to still holds, and buy the wrong parts. It has happened, even a few instances I can recall on these forums where we had to tell them to return one or the other to build a working system.

If you can also imagine the extreme cost of redoing all the marketing materials (particularly if you were blindsided) all for the sake of a little market share in an industry with only TWO options.

My counter arguments to this point are:

• Most computer users don't care about the parts in their computer by name. And they likely won't change the hardware configuration anyway if they have the option, outside of maybe adding more storage or RAM. And if they do that, they'll just go to say Best Buy and take it to Geek Squad or have someone who knows what they're doing handle it.
• People are aware of PC Partpicker now, which won't even let you select (or at least pre-filters) an AMD board with an Intel CPU, for instance.
• And honestly I'd chalk this up as a learning experience. If this was your first time building a computer and you simply rushed out to buy parts instead of double or triple checking everything, sure, you could get mad at the manufacturers for having the same model numbers or whatever, but at the same time, did you check the CPU socket? That is more important than what model number you go with.

Really what's worse than say AMD and Intel sharing a model number with something is when someone is inconsistent with their naming. Like for example, there's a Radeon R7 370 and an R9 370, and the R9 370 is the potentially worse card.

It's been my impression that for the last 25+ years the various suppliers of computer hardware it has been a "numbers race", where the one with the highest number indicated the highest performance.

If you stare a while at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_AMD_graphics_processing_units and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Nvidia_graphics_processing_units you may (or may not) recognize relatively similar patterns.

I don't think it was a case of vendors trying to one-up each other. Otherwise, NVIDIA should happily be advertising their new GeForce 400000 or something if they didn't restart the numbers after GeForce 9000.

Speaking of number restarts, I can't wait for the revival of the Radeon 9800.

 

[Eximo]

My counter arguments to this point are:

• Most computer users don't care about the parts in their computer by name. And they likely won't change the hardware configuration anyway if they have the option, outside of maybe adding more storage or RAM. And if they do that, they'll just go to say Best Buy and take it to Geek Squad or have someone who knows what they're doing handle it.
• People are aware of PC Partpicker now, which won't even let you select (or at least pre-filters) an AMD board with an Intel CPU, for instance.
• And honestly I'd chalk this up as a learning experience. If this was your first time building a computer and you simply rushed out to buy parts instead of double or triple checking everything, sure, you could get mad at the manufacturers for having the same model numbers or whatever, but at the same time, did you check the CPU socket? That is more important than what model number you go with.

Your last point is the only relevant one, and that is the people that are knowledgeable enough to know they don't have the answer, or just want someone to second guess them.
People buying off the shelf computers are not the problem, they will have a working unit delivered. "People" are not aware of PCPartpicker, we are talking about a sub percent of a percent of the general population. Newbies to computer building are likely to build a machine they see reviewed or specced out in detail. Only when they have questions or problems do they make their way to forums where they might learn of the various PC part selector websites.

 

[Eximo]

"How to build a computer" in google.

Hmm, nice to see Tomshardware number three. (but that is on my computer, which is likely biased)

PCPartpicker, sadly on page two towards the latter half, not sure how deep I have to go for builds.gg

On the positive side, Youtube recommendations have a few comprehensive guides that definitely would mention it.