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Well, give how RDNA3 is not a bad architecture, it's all a matter of price.

Outside* of the stupidity Jensen said on stage, the 5070 is going to be an ok card at ~$580, but we all really know it'll shoot up for the first weeks, or even months, to over $650 I'm sure.

AMD just needs to read the room. In the interviews, at least Mr Azor seems to be aware this is not going to be a tech challenge, but a pricing one. Or I hope they do.

All in all I don't see RDNA4 being a bad product, but it'll definitely live or die on day1 reviews based on their pricing.

Let's see how AMD fumbles the ball this time around 😀

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Im.calling it $500 price launch with 7900GRE/XT perf, even $480 to really make it to the headlines, the best next gen GPU for sure
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AMD doesn't know what the price is going to be yet. They're waiting on Nvidia reviews for the 5080 so they can better estimate the performance of the 5070/70Ti which they already know the price of. AMD doesn't care about market share, so don't expect a price that indicates they do.
 
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"the same RTX 5070 that Nvidia claims can quote unquote "match the RTX 4090" in performance."
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As outlined by several analysts /tech channels, this is most likely a hugely misleading statement, as the 5070 may only reach same fps as the 4090 with massive help from AI/DLSS4 when compared to the 4090 without those features being activated. So, pure raseterization performance of the 5070 is nowhere near a 4090.
 
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Leaks for the 5080 prices= $1300 and up. I wonder how long, if ever, we need to wait until you see some cards at MSRP. I think that # is now just something they throw out and see if it sticks.
 
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ottonis said:
As outlined by several analysts /tech channels, this is most likely a hugely misleading statement, as the 5070 may only reach same fps as the 4090 with massive help from AI/DLSS4 when compared to the 4090 without those features being activated. So, pure raseterization performance of the 5070 is nowhere near a 4090.
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You can waste your time reading about what "analysts" think, or you can just watch the keynote speech Jensen gave where he said AI was what makes it possible for the 5070 to perform like a 4090. If it needs AI, then it is clearly using some version of DLSS and isn't purely raster performance. There is no need to speculate on what is going on here, Jensen told us.
 
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-Fran- said:
All in all I don't see RDNA4 being a bad product, but it'll definitely live or die on day1 reviews based on their pricing.
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theres rarely ever "bad product" just bad price.

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I wonder how long, if ever, we need to wait until you see some cards at MSRP. I think that # is now just something they throw out and see if it sticks.
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FE generally msrp. AIB HAVE to be higher as they sink more $ into than nvidia does.
 
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theres rarely ever "bad product" just bad price.
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Without getting into that "holy war", I'll just say for this price range, I would expect most tech to just be bad pricing and not an actual bad product, yes.

RDNA4 would have to have an irredimable bug or something for it to not be worth buying at any price point. Samefor Blackwell, mind you, but chances of that happening for both is rather low.

This being said... Alchemist and Battlemage exist...

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Hmmm, if 52 FPS is going to be what the RX 9070 XT gives, at 2K, and if that's AMD's top of the line, for the next two years or so, then it may make it hardly onto a shortlist here.

I mean, I am still more interested in raw FPS to begin with, as there are a number of games and applications, which don't even make use of ray-tracing (for that added "cosmetic effect"). But smooth max-graphics perhaps even at 4K, if that can be had for way less than $1,000 extra, that's something I may consider.
 
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You can waste your time reading about what "analysts" think, or you can just watch the keynote speech Jensen gave where he said AI was what makes it possible for the 5070 to perform like a 4090. If it needs AI, then it is clearly using some version of DLSS and isn't purely raster performance. There is no need to speculate on what is going on here, Jensen told us.
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True.

I don't understand what people don't understand here. It's clear as a day that 5070 being 4090 level of performance came with assumption of full blown DLSS4 Framegen x4 used.

Otherwise, from specs alone I'd assume 5070 would be at best 4070Ti level if that.
 
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Since Frank stated this was a 70 class card and that historically, 70 class card from AMD MSRPs were between 400$ and 480$ for the XT variant, these results are looking impressive.

If the 9070XT MSRP is 480$, which I believe will be the case, the 5070 is going to look rubbish with its 20% performance increase over the vanilla 4070.
 
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AMD doesn't know what the price is going to be yet. They're waiting on Nvidia reviews for the 5080 so they can better estimate the performance of the 5070/70Ti which they already know the price of. AMD doesn't care about market share, so don't expect a price that indicates they do.
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You are a fool if you believe AMD doesn't know the price they are going to choose yet. They knew about the pricing after Nvidia CES presentation. The room is screaming 480$ for the 9070XT, but if they go 450$, that would be a game changer.

I believe AMD saw Intel little success with their new ARC GPU launch, and I think they get the message, which Frank also acknowledge with PCWorld, which he stated that pricing would please customers this time.
 
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As outlined by several analysts /tech channels, this is most likely a hugely misleading statement, as the 5070 may only reach same fps as the 4090 with massive help from AI/DLSS4 when compared to the 4090 without those features being activated. So, pure raseterization performance of the 5070 is nowhere near a 4090.
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Even Jensen admitted that new performance increase is "IMPOSSIBLE WITHOUT AI"...

I know the context was about the 5070 be faster than the 4090, but at the same time, he admitted that newer generation will not be able to accomplish huge leap in performance without AI... which is just an excuse to explain why Blackwell is literally the smallest performance increase from gen to gen in Nvidia history.
 
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The RTX 5070 12GB is $550.
The RX 9070XT 16GB would be a solid choice at $450, but only if the RT performance is decent.
If the RT performance is poor, then it should be a $400 card.
 
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