AMD Ryzen 1800X Appears Sold Out At Some Retailers

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Cooler Master has adapters available for many of their AM3+ coolers right now. Unfortunately, they don't have one for my V6GT but there's hope that they will at some point since it's just as good (or better than) the Hyper 212 Evo.
 


Nvidia drops SLI support from GTX 1060 and down nobody bats an eye, AMD decides not to license SLI from Nvidia in midrange to lower tier MB and suddenly it becomes an issue ...

Dude, why would a midrange buyer pay for licensing fees for SLI when there is a 99.9% that he will never have a second GPU there ?

Logic dictates AMD`s move, but you can`t really see anything pass your hate.

As for coolers there are already upgrade kits, most of the people buying 1700x and 1800X won`t be using the stock cooler anyway.

About why people got the 1800X instead of 1700 or 1700X well it`s simple, the mind and logic tells you to get the 1700/X the heart said go for the 1800X ... and here we are :)
 


In what way would that even be a problem? If someone is building an SLI/Crossfire system, they will most likely be picking up a higher-end motherboard as well. Not all of the x370 motherboards are that expensive compared to the other AM4 motherboards available at launch either. Right now, the lowest-priced x370 chipset motherboard on Newegg is $140, just $40 more than the least expensive AM4 motherboard they currently have. If you're building a multi-GPU system, you will undoubtedly be spending a fair amount on it, and will probably also be willing to spend a bit more on the motherboard as well. By that logic, you could say that nVidia's current graphics cards are "horrible" as well, since they only support SLI on their high-end cards starting at $380 each.*

*If this sounds vaguely similar to the previous post, it's because I was writing this yesterday evening before that post existed, but didn't post it until this morning. : P




AMD might be starting with their 8-core parts, but they are pricing them to compete with Intel's 4 and 6-core i7s. Likewise, they'll have 6-core chips priced similar to what Intel has been charging for 4-core i5s, and eventually 4-core chips priced like Intel's dual-core i3s. Before long, Intel will likely lower their prices somewhat as well, and 6 to 8-core chips will start to become more common in gaming systems, while four cores will become the norm for budget systems.

A big part of why most existing games don't make much use of more than 4 cores is because game developers need to make sure their games will run reasonably well on common hardware, and until now, 6 and 8 core processors have been rather niche. According to Steam's latest hardware survey, only 1.75% of Steam users have more than 4 processor cores, which is even fewer systems than are running Steam on single-core processors. It simply hasn't made much sense for developers to optimize their games to make use of more cores when the vast majority of their target audience has 2 to 4-core CPUs. Once a reasonable portion of gaming systems have more than 4 cores, and the number of systems with dual-core processors tapers off, developers will start to look for ways to better utilize those additional cores. It's unlikely that you'll see lots of games doing that immediately, but you may start to see some performance benefits down the line. And of course, a decent amount of other software already can make use of those extra cores. If someone is streaming their games, or encoding videos, or extracting compressed archives, or just leaving other software open in the background, those extra cores can make a difference.

I do agree that if you're building a gaming system on a tight budget, a 4 core processor should be fine enough for now, just as 8GB of RAM are fine to run nearly all existing games. It's likely that we'll see more performance benefits in games from having a bit more RAM, or a couple more processor cores relatively soon though.
 


The high end parts generally have the best profit margins. It makes sense for AMD to release them first. So the can maximize sales to early adopters whom want the latest when they are released. Rather than cannibalize sales from people instead deciding to save some money and buying a 4 core or 6 core model. It is fairly common in computer components to push the top of the line products first.
 
Cry and curse as you guys want, the fact is that Intel chips have become very expensive overnight, Ryzen is a great product, maybe not Intel level but almost at half the cost. I don't remember an Intel CPU on pre-order, much less the top of the line being sold-out in a day or two. While I say Intel CPUs are a bad deal today, just wait for their move: Pentiums and i5's have HT now, A LOT will change in the coming months. And let AMD have their huge success, for the same reasons: if it wasn't for Ryzen, how would we see Intel rearrange their lineup in our favor? 😉
 

Are you aiming for some kind of award? Every time you comment on an AMD article I silently hope you are actually a very clever troll.

I'm sure it's been pointed out by now but you DO know that with Intel you *also* need higher-end boards for SLI, right? Same tier as X370, though you can get last-gen Z170 SLI boards on firesale right now... but if you want Kaby Lake you're better off with a Z270 unless you have access to an older CPU to get the BIOS flashed. Anyway I don't really have an issue with SLI being limited to higher-end chipsets because almost nobody goes SLI anymore - you can only SLI with high-end graphics cards these days, so it's rare.

To me a bigger problem is overclocking limitations. Intel locks most of their affordable processors, especially affordable 4-thread chips. On top of this with Intel you also need Z series chipsets if you want to overclock. Not so with AMD - even a mainstream B350 chipset will overclock multiplier-unlocked chips... which is ALL Ryzen processors, even the upcoming $130 entry-level quad core.

Looks to me like it is the mainstream Intel chipsets that aren't so hot.
 
I ended up pre-ordering the 1700x because the 1800x sold out. Didn't realize it didn't come with a cooler, so bought the components for a custom water cooling loop. A little difficult with my case, but an expense I was planning to make later this year. The 1700x was probably the better buy since it should auto-overclock to nearly the same speed as the 1800x. I imagine the 1800x is a better bin, but you could get lucky if AMD needed to fill out 1700x stock. The only things that won't be powered directly through the board is the GPU and water cooling pump. Pretty weird to not use a SATA connector. It's like not using an IDE connector over a decade ago.
 
There is still like 83 years left, and the majority of Americans are paying into a ponzi scheme that hasn't exploded yet. I imagine the scam of the century will be Social Security.
 


Ponzi schemes fail because the supply behind the return runs out. It could happen with SS, but the payout there depends on investment return; it's like a gigantic public 401(k). If SS collapses, it's because the entirety of the U.S. economy has as well, and then we'll have bigger things to worry about.
 
Not really like a 401k. In a 401K, it gains its value through capitalized interest. There is no savings involved in Social Security. Every dollar in is given to current recipients. Social Security's ability to pay recipients is dependent on the number of tax payers paying in. When it first started, it was at a rate of 6 tax payers to every 1 recipient. Now its more like 2 to 1. With baby boomers hitting 65, and people living longer the ratio will be difficult to sustain. It means increasing the amount taxed on those working and/or decrease those who receive the benefits.
 
JELLWOOD Feb 24, 2017, 3:22 PM
Remember that you have to COOL the 1800X and the 1700X! Only the 1700 comes with a COOLING Solution! The AM4 Socket is DIFFERENT than the AM3+ in respect to Mounting Coolers! What are you going to COOL it With? John~~~Flint,MI

you act like this socket size, cpu cooler change, hasn't happened before

heres an example of one maker already ready to go...others are the same
http://www.coolermaster.com/we-are-ready-for-your-am4-socket/
 
Go for gold with your programming, but temper your expectations. I was a bit miffed when I only got a 6x performance improvement when I was working on something a little while ago. Here's why:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amdahl's_law

"Who knew that those stuffy old people could actually know something, let alone help form the foundation for our entire computer ecosystem, amirite???" ;-)

(Here's a link to the Wikipedia page for Dr. Amdahl in case you're interested: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gene_Amdahl . Did you know that he also coined the term "FUD"?)
 
It does not mean 1800X is selling better than 1700X. I suspect there were less 1800X available from the start. Remember 1800X is hitting higher frequencies than 1700X at the same TDP, which means there are picked from the best performing dies. It's not hard to imagine there are more average than best performers.
 
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