News AMD Ryzen 5 5600X vs Intel Core i5-11600K: Mid-Range Rocket Lake and Ryzen 5000 CPU Face Off

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"you'll only have support for one PCIe 4.0 m.2 SSD port on your motherboard"

I believe the Rocket Lake chips have 20 pcie 4.0 lanes from the CPU... apparently usually allocated as 16 for a GPU and 4 for the m.2 slot, right? That was stated in a prior tomshardware article and elsewhere.

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/intel-11th-gen-rocket-lake-s-specifications-pricing

"Rocket's internal PCIe subsystem to accommodate a direct x4 connection for M.2 SSDs and a x16 graphics connection to the CPU (the chips now support 20 lanes of PCIe 4.0)."
 

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From other 5600x descriptions, the AMD 5000 family has 24 pcie4 lanes, but 4 of them are used for connection to the chipset ... leaving 20 pcie4 lanes available, same as on Rocket Lake, right? See this article, for example:

https://www.guru3d.com/articles-pages/amd-ryzen-5-5600x-review,3.html

"Ryzen 5000 CPUs will have a total of 24 PCIe Gen4 lanes. Four out of the twenty-four are used for the interconnect to the motherboard chipset, leaving 20 lanes Gen 4.0 for other utilization."
 

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You realize your statement regarding overclocking, more specifically not being able to cool the 5600X with the cooler provided is wrong. By Tom's own numbers: PBO only draws 88Watts

Also your statement of price advantage is gone once you factor that the $260 Intel CPU needs a $50 cooler while the $300 AMD one does not.

Bottom line who would want a CPU that runs so hot, it means you have to buy a more expensive MB that has better power delivery and a larger Power supply which negates any price advantage it has.
 
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shouldnt things like each systems specs be listed somewhere?

pushing each system to a stable OC (you know what most ppl who care about performance would usually do and as a result of OC match each ones cooler to same one?)

nobody buys a K sku to not oc it. and ryzen gets its best uplift from ocing it and messing with timings.


not saying intel is bad but just questionable when they arent at the peak of what they each offer.
 

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shouldnt things like each systems specs be listed somewhere?

pushing each system to a stable OC (you know what most ppl who care about performance would usually do and as a result of OC match each ones cooler to same one?)

nobody buys a K sku to not oc it. and ryzen gets its best uplift from ocing it and messing with timings.


not saying intel is bad but just questionable when they arent at the peak of what they each offer.
We link to the review which has the system specs listed for each setup. They are both tested with same cooler for OC.
 
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From other 5600x descriptions, the AMD 5000 family has 24 pcie4 lanes, but 4 of them are used for connection to the chipset ... leaving 20 pcie4 lanes available, same as on Rocket Lake, right? See this article, for example:

https://www.guru3d.com/articles-pages/amd-ryzen-5-5600x-review,3.html

"Ryzen 5000 CPUs will have a total of 24 PCIe Gen4 lanes. Four out of the twenty-four are used for the interconnect to the motherboard chipset, leaving 20 lanes Gen 4.0 for other utilization."
Intel chipset is pcie 3.0, not 4.0.
 
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The 500-series chipset, specifically, does not support PCIe 4.0 in any fashion, and that is direct from Intel. No connection to or from that chipset operates at 4.0, under any circumstances. I haven't read the linked article, but I believe it refers to CPU support.
 
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Not to be a wet blanket but the rarity of the 5600X seems to be overstated! My local Micro C has had plenty since Febuaray. I bought one for list at then end of last month and was unhappy that it is in stock and $10 below list today. I have also seem them in newegg's daily sales ads.
 
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Meh, the 5600x does not come with an igpu, no offense, and no I am not an Intel fan, but the comparison should be made with the kf only, and it sells for $235, $150 less than a 5600x, so really no comparison. Currently Intel wins unless AMD can drop the 5600x's price to where it should be....$239.
 

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So the chipset of the AMD processor provides an extra 16 pins that can be pcie4, but it is apparently connected by a switch ... so only 4 pcie4 full bandwidth lanes can be active at any one time. The total bandwidth between cpu and chipset is limited by the 4 pcie4 lanes between cpu and chipset.

For chipsets like this, does any PCIE device hanging off the chipset with more than 4 lanes negotiate down to use of just 4 lanes, or does the chipset switch support buffering, for example 8 lanes at half rate?
 

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Meh, the 5600x does not come with an igpu, no offense, and no I am not an Intel fan, but the comparison should be made with the kf only, and it sells for $235, $150 less than a 5600x, so really no comparison. Currently Intel wins unless AMD can drop the 5600x's price to where it should be....$239.
In Australia it's $365 for an 11600KF while the 5600X is $549.

While the 5600X should be cheaper, yes, it's definitely NOT supposed to be $4 above 11600KF, the 11600KF doesn't have a cooler so factor in $85-$100 for a decent cooler and we're getting up there. Intel are really struggling, just look at that 182W of the Intel chip vs 88W on the AMD chip. This is rubbish, irrespective of the reasons for it arriving at this point.

You would be mad to buy the Intel CPU unless purchase price was your only concern, otherwise it's definitely a not a smart buy.
 
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Meh, the 5600x does not come with an igpu, no offense, and no I am not an Intel fan, but the comparison should be made with the kf only, and it sells for $235, $150 less than a 5600x, so really no comparison. Currently Intel wins unless AMD can drop the 5600x's price to where it should be....$239.
The iGPU is a big deal now, and one Tom's and many other similar sites pass over. It wasn't that big a deal when a functional and faster-than-iGPU dGPU cost $75.

But right now one of the cheapest dGPUs you can buy is a 3 GB 1050 at Newegg, for $311. And that is a 3 generation back crap GPU for any modern gaming titles. Nevertheless you need something like that to make a 5600X based system functional at all.

The actual cost to build a rig with the 5600X is therefore way more than the price difference between 11600K and 5600X suggests. That may change in 6-12 months, but right now we're talking $100 difference for the chip, then +$300 to get a moderately functional dGPU like the 1050.
 
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I feel like a large portion of builders do not need a cooler or PSU with every build, especially overclockers. I have quality coolers in use right now for the kids' rigs that are up to 12 years old. Even being that old, they're much better than the crap that comes with the Ryzens, so they aren't a bonus.

My main use cases, VR flight sims, currently require much more performance than is possible, so I'm still waiting to upgrade my OCed 8086K rig.
 

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The actual cost to build a rig with the 5600X is therefore way more than the price difference between 11600K and 5600X suggests. That may change in 6-12 months, but right now we're talking $100 difference for the chip, then +$300 to get a moderately functional dGPU like the 1050.
unless you already have a dgpu, in your current system, and are upgrading, then this is moot, if you dont, then sure.
 
I feel like a large portion of builders do not need a cooler or PSU with every build, especially overclockers. I have quality coolers in use right now for the kids' rigs that are up to 12 years old. Even being that old, they're much better than the crap that comes with the Ryzens, so they aren't a bonus.

My main use cases, VR flight sims, currently require much more performance than is possible, so I'm still waiting to upgrade my OCed 8086K rig.
The AMD coolers aren't crap : they're good enough for silent operation in normal use. Aftermarket equivalent ones cost $15, so that's something you need to consider, but in Intel's case if you want to cool the CPU properly you need a cooler worth $45 at least.
 
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There is no denying that the 5600x is clearly the better choice over its Intel counterpart - if there is a choice at all.
As already explained in the article, availability is the deciding factor here. In some parts of Europe, the 5600x and 5800x are widely available at MSRP.
I hope, availability will improve in other parts of the world as well.
 

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Microcenter's had the 5600x in stock for months now, and they've been charging list, $299, until recently (when they dropped the price $10). I don't know where this comes from, but it's simply wrong: "The Ryzen 5 5600X currently retails for $370 at Microcenter, which is usually the most price-friendly vendor, a $69 markup over suggested pricing. "
 
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Not to be a wet blanket but the rarity of the 5600X seems to be overstated! My local Micro C has had plenty since Febuaray. I bought one for list at then end of last month and was unhappy that it is in stock and $10 below list today. I have also seem them in newegg's daily sales ads.
Well lucky you, Mr. wet blanket, not every city or state has a Micro Center.
 

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The 5600x is not 380 dollars, its 299.99 and if you live near a microcenter its 289.99. Also, the 5600x beats the 11400f, however, the 11400f is the MVP budget CPU of the last 4 years for sure.
Less than a dozen states have a microcenter so I don't include them.

https://www.amazon.com/AMD-Ryzen-5600X-12-Thread-Processor/dp/B08166SLDF/ <--- $371 @ amazon today ... it dropped in price.

https://www.newegg.com/amd-ryzen-5-5600x/p/N82E16819113666 <--- $383 @ newegg.
 
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