News AMD Ryzen 5 5600X3D Rumor Foretells of a Budget AM4 Gaming Champ

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Rumors of an AMD Ryzen 5 5600X3D emerge, telling of a new 6C/12T gaming champ with 96MB of cache.

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[Makaveli]

The clock you have listed for the 5800X3D in that chart is off.

Its 3.4Ghz Base and 4.5Ghz boost not 3.3 and 4.4

 

[-Fran-]

It would be so friggen' weird if AMD released a 5600X3D at this point in time...

Do they still have some stock of defective dies to get rid of? Did they see a market opportunity? Do they have something to prove?

So puzzling!

Regards.

 

[lmcnabney]

A 7600X3D would be far more interesting.

 

[Amdlova]

With market flooded with 12700 at 189us will be some kind of stupid paying more for less. Six core cpus need to be 150us or less to be good.

 

[RedBear87]

Did they see a market opportunity?

This, in my opinion. At least in Europe between inflation and recession (both Germany and the Eurozone are now officially in recession, courtesy of our self defeating sanctions) a "budget high performance gaming CPU" might be attractive. The main issue is that at this point people weren't expecting new AM4 parts, so pretty much everyone who already wanted to upgrade has already upgraded, while new builders would find themselves with a platform that won't receive any upgrade whatsoever.

 

[Alvar "Miles" Udell]

Wouldn't be strange to see at all. It's no big secret Socket AM5 isn't selling nearly as well as they'd hoped, and they probably still had some TSMC capacity left of their old contract that they needed to use, what better way than to give Socket AM4 people a chance to stay with Socket AM4 instead of giving them a chance to possibly go Intel instead of AM5 with a new build?

It's also entirely possible AMD has a big stock of unsold 5800X3D they're going to reconfigure to shift since the 5800X3D makes Socket AM5 far less appealing.

 

[Vanderlindemedia]

It would be so friggen' weird if AMD released a 5600X3D at this point in time...

Do they still have some stock of defective dies to get rid of? Did they see a market opportunity? Do they have something to prove?

So puzzling!

Regards.

Really, nothing gets lost in the world of semi conducters. A AMD K7 500Mhz was just a rebranded, K7 750Mhz model. All of them are doing it. Defective dies never get thrashed, just re-used, refused for a lower price point.

 

[Deleted member 2947362]

why not? if you have a group of people who don't have a lot of money and are say still running and making do with R5 3600 or even r5 1600 or lower (I bet there are loads and more than you think) and wont really have the money to upgrade to a complete new socket for years yet, this gives them a nice little upgrade

So why not carry on supporting that group of people with options it's not going to effect those who can afford to upgrade and AMD can still get money for older gen parts that are still 100% usable far from becoming land fill for many years to come seem like a good idea if it's true of cause.

 

[ManDaddio]

AMD just has to do something. They are always praised for this and that but they are always late to the party. Intel despite now being second is still appealing to more people for various reasons. People that buy 3d chips just buy them to say they have one. Wooopie.
AMD has to make money any way they can.
Intel is never gonna fail.
Nvidia is off to the moon right now.
AMD is dragging it's heals despite many victories.

 

[Deleted member 2947362]

AMD just has to do something. They are always praised for this and that but they are always late to the party. Intel despite now being second is still appealing to more people for various reasons. People that buy 3d chips just buy them to say they have one. Wooopie.
AMD has to make money any way they can.
Intel is never gonna fail.
Nvidia is off to the moon right now.
AMD is dragging it's heals despite many victories.

I would imagine it's a bit more than just a so they can say wooopie, it probs more to the facts it has 96MB of cache which is indeed wooopie in cache intensive work loads would imagine and nice to have at a lower price point.

Intel are good BUT look at how many watts they need to use to be classed as good.

 

[ilukey77]

A 7600X3D would be far more interesting.

At this point a 7600x3d would be as much a waste of sand as a 7900x3d in my opinion and if you look at the latest hardware unboxed video 7800x3d vs 7700x vs 5800x3d the 5800x3d trade blows with the 7700x any way !!
Upshot of it is the 7700x everyday for new PC builders for the updated AM5 platform ..
Any one hanging on to the AM4 platform the 5800x3d every day ..
With all that said i dont see any point in a potentially worse performing 5600x3d /7600x3d vs the 5800x3d at all !!

on the flip side ( even if i love my AMD stuff ) its not without merit that AMD would push some rubbish out to sell to the masses screaming for budget parts to make money !!

 

[ilukey77]

Wouldn't be strange to see at all. It's no big secret Socket AM5 isn't selling nearly as well as they'd hoped, and they probably still had some TSMC capacity left of their old contract that they needed to use, what better way than to give Socket AM4 people a chance to stay with Socket AM4 instead of giving them a chance to possibly go Intel instead of AM5 with a new build?

It's also entirely possible AMD has a big stock of unsold 5800X3D they're going to reconfigure to shift since the 5800X3D makes Socket AM5 far less appealing.

In my opinion AMD has had a bit of a bad run this gen in CPU's some of there own doing some or the ever rising market and the the boards..
1. there own doing was announcing the new x3d cpu's which held customers back from buying AM5 till their release because of the success of the 5800x3d !!
2. prices of PC parts are bordering on the stupid side now ..
3. the 7800x3d sold reasonable but with the board issues it has scared people off buying AM5
4. an argument could be made about the cost of the AM5 platform but lets be honest here its a new platform what do you expect ..
( at the time everyone thought that 14th would be a all ddr5 new socket platform which would have came at the same cost anyway so )
( even if 15th will be that new socket all ddr5 despite my reservations about the potential waste of sand that could be the refresh 14th.. 15th will come at a high cost )
For a new builder the 5800x3d is a waste of money really its a dead platform ( and i love my 5800x3d /6900xt combo)
better money spent is the AM5 7700x or non x and some ddr5

 

[ohio_buckeye]

If they could bring a 5600x3d at under 200 it might not be bad. But the market is very saturated with decent options.

 

[ilukey77]

AMD just has to do something. They are always praised for this and that but they are always late to the party. Intel despite now being second is still appealing to more people for various reasons. People that buy 3d chips just buy them to say they have one. Wooopie.
AMD has to make money any way they can.
Intel is never gonna fail.
Nvidia is off to the moon right now.
AMD is dragging it's heals despite many victories.

no way Intel are ones in alot of trouble..
They have one thing keeping them afloat and even by a small margin ..
13900k its the best of the best all round cpu at the moment ..
every thing else is failing !!
AMD has the better server CPU's
AMD owns the console eco system both Xbone and playstation use AMD cpu's
Alot of the new incoming hand helds ( Asus whatever its called ) is using AMD apu's
the 7800x3d is the best gaming cpu with its low power draw , performance and cost for just gaming its beating the 13900k in most things !!

AMD was always going to have trouble selling a new platform along side new CPU's.. DDR5 wasnt cheap announcing the X3d cpus were coming even to the point alot of people were scared of the 95c operating temps !!

Intel is intent on sticking with the 2 gen socket life span ( normally ) which brings me to the 14th refresh on the z790 boards i get this distinct feeling the 14th will be a waste of sand to leap frog the market with 15th and the new socket vs AM6 but if AMD stick with AM5 till past 2025 then intel will be in for a bumpy ride again !!

Intel have sat on their hands they knew the 5800x3d beat the 12900k in gaming ( did nothing )
they leap frogged ZEN4 with the 13th gen !!
Then out comes the x3d ZEN4's ( ouch once again ) intel get beaten by a cheaper more efficient cpu !!
Now we get a 14th refresh ????? im not sure what they are doing at this point !!

( despite my bashing of Intel i have nothing against there cpu's they are great but Intel's socket life span to me makes AMD ( and 3d vcache ) a far better option )

 

[Deleted member 2947362]

2. prices of PC parts are bordering on the stupid side now ..

I agree.

For a new builder the 5800x3d is a waste of money really its a dead platform ( and i love my 5800x3d /6900xt combo)
better money spent is the AM5 7700x or non x and some ddr5

I disagree with the naming of dead platform it's kind of a nod to the throw away society attitude.
The world is trying to get away from that attitude and just because they stop making CPU's for that Socket the platform is still a PC that is upgradable.

Just because you cant upgrade to latest CPU's it's far far from a dead platform.

Because it's still a PC which can be upgraded for many years to come you can still add a more powerful CPU if you couldn't afford one when you built it say years back

The fact there are 100's of thousands of people or probs a lot more world wide that are still using even older hardware than AM4 just adds weight to the argument that AM4 based PC's will be around for a very long time to come.

Why not offer something new to the AM4 socket? not everyone can afford or even want to fully upgrade everything to just for latest tech those that can afford it and want to upgrade still will so that's two totally different class of customers you could market for.

I have friends still making do with their PC's that are over 10 years old and couple of them can more than afford to upgrade to latest AM5 and best CPU but just keep saying why? I don't need it ? because the PC they have still does everything they need and for the games they play and they are still on AM3+ socket, not everyone is the same as the enthusiast.

 

[ilukey77]

I agree.

I disagree with the naming of dead platform just because they stop making CPU's for that Socket

Just because you cant upgrade to latest CPU's it's far far from a dead platform.

Because it's still a PC which can be upgraded for many years to come you can still add a more powerful CPU if you couldn't afford one when you built it say years back

The fact there are 100's of thousands of people or probs a lot more world wide that are still using even older hardware than AM4 just adds weight to the argument that AM4 based PC's will be around for a very long time to come why not offer them something new, not everyone can afford to upgrade to?

I have friends still making do with their PC's that are over 10 years old and couple of them can more than afford to upgrade to latest AM5 and best CPU but just keep saying why do I don't need it ? because the PC they have still does everything they need and for the games they play and they are still on AM3+ socket, not everyone is the same as the enthusiast .

But AM4 is exactly that and a waste of money to spend if you do a quick calculation of AM4 board 5800x3d and some decent 3600cl16 ddr4 32gb and 100% its cheaper but its still a waste of money because what can you do with it in a few years "nothing"!!

If you did the maths and calculated the cost of a AM4 platform to a decent b650 board a 7700 non x and some solid ddr5 cl30 6000 sweet spot ( for life span ) you wouldnt be excessively over the cost of a AM4 5800x3d and ddr4 !!

Atleast with the AM5 platform you spend the extra and you get a platform with a life span ZEN4 ZEN 5 ZEN 6 possibly maybe even longer ..

If you have a AM4 board now and dont want to upgrade then the 5800x3d is a winner otherwise its throwing good money at a bad investment !! " dead platform "

great for people making do with old systems but i stand by my argument spending money buying a AM4 platform cpu and ram is just stupid at this point ..
save youre money and buy AM5 as its money better spent !!

maybe im even quoting Hardware unboxed latest video of the 7800x3d vs 7700x vs 5800x3d in his conclusion steve even stated buying into the AM4 platform is a waste youre better off buying AM5 with the 7700x !!
and i 100% agree

 

[Deleted member 2947362]

But AM4 is exactly that and a waste of money to spend if you do a quick calculation of AM4 board 5800x3d and some decent 3600cl16 ddr4 32gb and 100% its cheaper but its still a waste of money because what can you do with it in a few years "nothing"!!

If you did the maths and calculated the cost of a AM4 platform to a decent b650 board a 7700 non x and some solid ddr5 cl30 6000 sweet spot ( for life span ) you wouldnt be excessively over the cost of a AM4 5800x3d and ddr4 !!

Atleast with the AM5 platform you spend the extra and you get a platform with a life span ZEN4 ZEN 5 ZEN 6 possibly maybe even longer ..

If you have a AM4 board now and dont want to upgrade then the 5800x3d is a winner otherwise its throwing good money at a bad investment !! " dead platform "

great for people making do with old systems but i stand by my argument spending money buying a AM4 platform cpu and ram is just stupid at this point ..
save youre money and buy AM5 as its money better spent !!

maybe im even quoting Hardware unboxed latest video of the 7800x3d vs 7700x vs 5800x3d in his conclusion steve even stated buying into the AM4 platform is a waste youre better off buying AM5 with the 7700x !!
and i 100% agree

sorry I keep revising my wording and correcting my reply and adding stuff lol

It all depends on what you need, if you really need it and do you have any money left to save for a whole new system after the basic's in life.

NO good people saying "then they shouldn't be buying it if they can't afford it!"

The world is full throttle on pushing forward for everyone to own a PC or be connected digitally in some way or form.

 

[usertests]

If people are paying $270-330 for 5800X3D to this day, there's definitely room for a 5600X3D. Let's say it launches at $200 and the price declines to $150, that would be a nice purchase for some AM4 users.

The performance can be simulated right now by disabling 2 cores on the 5800X3D.

 

[A Stoner]

Timing totally sucks. I just built a new rig for my daughter and went with a 5600X and if they now come out with a low enough priced 5600X3D I am going to totally feel buyers remorse! I personally have a 7950X3D machine and am very happy with my performance in all things I ask it to do.

 

[Deleted member 2947362]

Timing totally sucks. I just built a new rig for my daughter and went with a 5600X and if they now come out with a low enough priced 5600X3D I am going to totally feel buyers remorse! I personally have a 7950X3D machine and am very happy with my performance in all things I ask it to do.

As unfortunate as it would be for you if they did release an R5 5600X3D CPU it maybe beneficial to many many others.

 

[ilukey77]

sorry I keep revising my wording and correcting my reply and adding stuff lol

It all depends on what you need, if you really need it and do you have any money left to save for a whole new system after the basic's in life.

NO good people saying "then they shouldn't be buying it if they can't afford it!"

The world is full throttle on pushing forward for everyone to own a PC or be connected digitally in some way or form.

Im not saying anybody is stupid for buying what they can afford i just look at as a bang for youre buck type thing ..
I really dont care what people end up buying its 100% their choice but when ( stubborn me ) pushes my opinion its usually to try to save people some money in the long run ..

Alot of things should be if you cant afford it you shouldnt by it .. just run though these forums ive come across heaps of threads/posts of people trying to get the bare bones junk to save money to get that better GPU or CPU.. then wonder why they have issues later !

Ive lost count on how many times ive upgraded my main and ive currently got 4 fully build PC's and ive honestly had 2 issues that has upset me
1. my gigabyte z590i vision D itx mobo the front m.2 doesnt work with 10th gen only 11th which is kinda sucky but not really bad..( i use the rear gen 3 one)
2. gigabyte b550i aorus pro AX itx board the network adaptor stops working from time to time which annoys me alot ..
Thats it!!

If you buy quality products spend the extra when you can 9/10times youre good to go with little to no issues!!

For instance my corsair hx1000 psu i bought that over 2 years ago now right before the 6900xt gpu with my 5600x cost me like ( not 100%) 300-400aud..

Have i needed to buy a new psu for the upgrade to the 5800x3d 6900xt / then my 7600x / 7900xtx or my now 7800x3d /7900xtx no its done me great .. ( i may even get away with using it for the next gen GPU's )
thats where i see value in buying that better product to save money in the long run!!

same reason i never recommend Intel CPU's ( nothing against Intel cpu's ) its their terrible socket life span that stops me bothering every time i just cant see value in the product..

 

[DSzymborski]

You keep assuming a cost/benefit ratio that's specifically applicable to you and applying it generally. For many people, upgrading to a 5600x3D *would* be cost-effective if it fits their specific needs.

And no, in two years, they wouldn't have nothing, even if the PC blew up, because of the time value of the money plus the actual money that wasn't spent now. And in most cases, the PC doesn't blow up and can be used for a long time. I still have a Prescott Pentium 4, and Core2Duo E6300, a Phenom IIx4 965 Black, an i7-3770K, and an i7-8700K all still in service and doing various tasks, from a file server to a backup server to managing my audio system, to some non-parametric modeling.

 

[A Stoner]

As unfortunate as it would be for you if they did release an R5 5600X3D CPU it maybe beneficial to many many others.

True. As I said, the timing is unfortunate, not the release. I wonder if it would come with a wraith cooler? I almost opted for a 5700X that was showing only $27 more than the 5600X, but then discovered as I was ordering it that it did not have a cooler included like the 5600X did. I was trying to get her a new system for $300 not including the hard drive and the graphics card which were both perfectly fine from her old computer. I upgraded her from an Intel 3000 series. She complained it was not fast enough to do her homework on. Now she has a 5600X, 32 GB of ram, and much faster WiFi6, and I threw in one of my old NVMe drives as a bonus from another rebuild left over, the GTX 1660 from her pc, and the old hard drive for space. Does not run to my desires, but for her, it should work great for 4 to 6 years of home work and the games she likes to play are pretty low for hardware needs, at least so far. As for the GTX 1660, I just recently put one of those in another computer and kind of regret it, as it was $225 and I just saw that there are RTX 3060's out there recently for only about 30 dollars more. Oh well, if you wait for the hardware forever, you end up with nothing and a fistfull of worthless dollars in the end.

 

[Deleted member 2947362]

I upgraded her from an Intel 3000 series. She complained it was not fast enough to do her homework on.

yeah I guess you need a powerful PC for word processing these days lol Your daughter knows you too well 👍

Now she has a 5600X, 32 GB of ram, and much faster WiFi6, and I threw in one of my old NVMe drives as a bonus from another rebuild left over, the GTX 1660 from her pc, and the old hard drive for space.

I rest my case 👍

Bet she's happy now