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Plumet said:
yeah I guess you need a powerful PC for word processing these days lol Your daughter knows you too well 👍

I rest my case 👍

Bet she's happy now :)
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She homeschools online. So it is more than word processing. And her and her brother like to play something? blocks and some other low poly games together. His computer recently died and got an upgrade. He is on an intel 9100 no video version with an RTX 2060 I think... I thought it was the power supply, nope, the motherboard, nope, then the processor, nope, it ended up being a shorted out USB port... Discovered when I finally just benchtop rebuilt it and did not even put the video card in, let alone attach the front panel USB cable. His final upgrade was a new case, and upgraded SSD. I was about to rebuild the whole thing new.

Then I asked my daughter why she does not use her PC, her brother wants to play with her and she refuses and she said it was too slow. And it really was. I went to start it up and it took minutes to boot. Then tried to connect to the internet, slow and choppy, just watching the mouse move made my head hurt... I think part of it is the hard drive, until I was able to move the OS to the NVMe, it remained really really slow. Which reminds me, I really should just scrap that 5400 RPM drive in that computer and replace it with one of my old 7200RPM ones. But once I moved the OS to the NVMe, it picked up some spark. 15 second boot, 30 seconds to online, clean crisp mouse reactions, easy scrolling, and now she plays with her brother again...

Anyways, I hope this 5600X3D does release and is a good bargain.
 
A Stoner said:
She homeschools online. So it is more than word processing. And her and her brother like to play something? blocks and some other low poly games together. His computer recently died and got an upgrade. He is on an intel 9100 no video version with an RTX 2060 I think... I thought it was the power supply, nope, the motherboard, nope, then the processor, nope, it ended up being a shorted out USB port... Discovered when I finally just benchtop rebuilt it and did not even put the video card in, let alone attach the front panel USB cable. His final upgrade was a new case, and upgraded SSD. I was about to rebuild the whole thing new.

Then I asked my daughter why she does not use her PC, her brother wants to play with her and she refuses and she said it was too slow. And it really was. I went to start it up and it took minutes to boot. Then tried to connect to the internet, slow and choppy, just watching the mouse move made my head hurt... I think part of it is the hard drive, until I was able to move the OS to the NVMe, it remained really really slow. Which reminds me, I really should just scrap that 5400 RPM drive in that computer and replace it with one of my old 7200RPM ones. But once I moved the OS to the NVMe, it picked up some spark. 15 second boot, 30 seconds to online, clean crisp mouse reactions, easy scrolling, and now she plays with her brother again...

Anyways, I hope this 5600X3D does release and is a good bargain.
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I'm playing around, so please don't take my last reply as offensive as it's not meant to come across that way.

I'm a Father too and I to have a daughter, albeit she has left school now.

It's just my sense of humour slipping in.
 
usertests said:
If people are paying $270-330 for 5800X3D to this day, there's definitely room for a 5600X3D. Let's say it launches at $200 and the price declines to $150, that would be a nice purchase for some AM4 users.

The performance can be simulated right now by disabling 2 cores on the 5800X3D.
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And some lower clocks need... I think 5800x it's good but 5600x3d with lowers clock will be hit dramatically in some games. Amd not will make a cpu with more performance than the 5800x or kill the am5 cpus. Amd have a seriously problem right now with ryzen you will update your cpu or go upgrade? I think will make a poor performance product yo justify the am5 high prices.
 
A Stoner said:
True. As I said, the timing is unfortunate, not the release. :) I wonder if it would come with a wraith cooler? I almost opted for a 5700X that was showing only $27 more than the 5600X, but then discovered as I was ordering it that it did not have a cooler included like the 5600X did. I was trying to get her a new system for $300 not including the hard drive and the graphics card which were both perfectly fine from her old computer. I upgraded her from an Intel 3000 series. She complained it was not fast enough to do her homework on. Now she has a 5600X, 32 GB of ram, and much faster WiFi6, and I threw in one of my old NVMe drives as a bonus from another rebuild left over, the GTX 1660 from her pc, and the old hard drive for space. Does not run to my desires, but for her, it should work great for 4 to 6 years of home work and the games she likes to play are pretty low for hardware needs, at least so far. As for the GTX 1660, I just recently put one of those in another computer and kind of regret it, as it was $225 and I just saw that there are RTX 3060's out there recently for only about 30 dollars more. Oh well, if you wait for the hardware forever, you end up with nothing and a fistfull of worthless dollars in the end.
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It's 3DVCache bro, it's very likely not gonna come with a cooler. If it does, it will likely be a wraith prism.
 
-Fran- said:
It would be so friggen' weird if AMD released a 5600X3D at this point in time...

Do they still have some stock of defective dies to get rid of? Did they see a market opportunity? Do they have something to prove?

So puzzling!

Regards.
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AMD uses the same stacked-cache dies for Ryzen X3D parts and the EPYC X parts.

Last generation, that was the 5800X3D and four Milan-X models - 16, 24, 32, and 64 cores. The Milan-X parts all have eight CCD's, meaning AMD has stacked-cache dies with 2, 4, 6, and 8 cores enabled. It's unlikely that the 2-core and 4-core CCD's actually have four to six defective cores, so they're likely just binned by the two to four best cores to include them. So they basically have a stockpile of stacked cache dies, probably nearly all of which have at least six cores binned well enough to supply a 5600X3D part.

The successor to Milan-X, Genoa-X (i.e. stacked cache Zen 4) is being released very soon, so my best guess is that AMD has more stacked-cache dies than they need to fulfill remaining Milan-X orders below 64 cores. So why not sell some of them off on the consumer side? If the pricing is right, it basically kills the argument for going with Intel to get maximum gaming performance on a budget. And it gives an even cheaper upgrade to existing AM4 owners than the 5800X3D.
 
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thanny said:
AMD uses the same stacked-cache dies for Ryzen X3D parts and the EPYC X parts.

Last generation, that was the 5800X3D and four Milan-X models - 16, 24, 32, and 64 cores. The Milan-X parts all have eight CCD's, meaning AMD has stacked-cache dies with 2, 4, 6, and 8 cores enabled. It's unlikely that the 2-core and 4-core CCD's actually have four to six defective cores, so they're likely just binned by the two to four best cores to include them. So they basically have a stockpile of stacked cache dies, probably nearly all of which have at least six cores binned well enough to supply a 5600X3D part.

The successor to Milan-X, Genoa-X (i.e. stacked cache Zen 4) is being released very soon, so my best guess is that AMD has more stacked-cache dies than they need to fulfill remaining Milan-X orders below 64 cores. So why not sell some of them off on the consumer side? If the pricing is right, it basically kills the argument for going with Intel to get maximum gaming performance on a budget. And it gives an even cheaper upgrade to existing AM4 owners than the 5800X3D.
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Makes total sense to me.

(ques the music and wobbly lines)

Reminds of back in the days when I used to have an AMD 64 3500 CPU and used dream of how much power I would have at my finger tips if they made home user 2 core CPU's.

I think then came along the AMD x2 3800 ....

Anyway back from the tangente

I agree ... I already said that didn't I.
 
-Fran- said:
So, from another angle... Does this mean that socket AM4 and its corresponding family of chipsets would be one of the longest lived consumer sockets?

Regards 😛
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That would be cool and a nod to AMD
 
I see this more as AMD making a continuing commitment to AM4 even in its twilight, and the fact it's still a strong seller in other countries where chasing the bleeding edge is financially unrealistic. AMD also did revive a select few 2600X and 2400X on a refined node to cover the budget end during the 3000 series, and then did it again with a select 3000X SKU while 5000X was still only on the high-end. Heck, during the 1000X era, AMD still produced high-end FX chips and packaged them with a Wraith Max cooler; the same ones that were also being packaged with 1800X SKUs.

But getting back to, AMD did also have a slide that teased the possibility of X3D coming back to AM4 beyond the 5800X3D. It's nice to see them finally revisit AM4 with X3D, and here's to hoping they also realize a 5900X3D and 5950X3D, given that they did use a 5900X3D prototype to demonstrate X3D in the first place.
 
-Fran- said:
It would be so friggen' weird if AMD released a 5600X3D at this point in time...

Do they still have some stock of defective dies to get rid of? Did they see a market opportunity? Do they have something to prove?

So puzzling!

Regards.
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I expect it is exactly that. Enough defective 5800x3d dies to launch 5600x3d cpus.
 
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