News AMD Ryzen 5 5600X3D to Launch July 7th for $229 at Micro Center Only

[Admin]

AMD and Micro Center announced that the $229 six-core Ryzen 5 5600X3D will be available exclusively from Micro Center beginning on July 7.

AMD Ryzen 5 5600X3D to Launch July 7th for $229 at Micro Center Only : Read more

 

[CelicaGT]

Should be an interesting CPU for those who can get one. I'm led to believe supply will only be for a few months.

"We haven’t been told of any specific cooler recommendations, but given the TDP rating, it likely requires a 240mm liquid cooler like the 105W Ryzen 7 5800X3D."

Can we please stop perpetuating this. The 5800X3D does NOT need a 240mm AIO, neither will the 5600X3D. Nearly any basic tower air cooler rated for the TDP will be more than sufficient.

 

[atomicWAR]

Took them long enough... it would have been more interesting last year.

 

[Deleted member 2731765]

Can we please stop perpetuating this. The 5800X3D does NOT need a 240mm AIO, neither will the 5600X3D. Nearly any basic tower air cooler rated for the TDP will be more than sufficient.

+1. Couldn't have said it better myself.

 

[TerryLaze]

Should be an interesting CPU for those who can get one. I'm led to believe supply will only be for a few months.

"We haven’t been told of any specific cooler recommendations, but given the TDP rating, it likely requires a 240mm liquid cooler like the 105W Ryzen 7 5800X3D."

Can we please stop perpetuating this. The 5800X3D does NOT need a 240mm AIO, neither will the 5600X3D. Nearly any basic tower air cooler rated for the TDP will be more than sufficient.

Guess it depends on what you expect, but with an 280mm AIO running at 100% fans and getting 80 degrees, going with anything less might not be everybody's cup of tea.

AMD Ryzen 7 5800X3D Review: 3D V-Cache Powers a New Gaming Champion

96MB of L3 cache goes Brrrr

www.tomshardware.com

We used a Corsair H115i 280mm AIO with the fans cranked to 100% to keep the chips as cool as possible during this test run.

The 5800X3D has a 400 MHz lower base and 200 MHz lower boost clock than the Ryzen 7 5800X, and we can see that the 5800X3D runs at 4.35 GHz during the heaviest multi-core workloads while the 5800X runs at 4.5 GHz. This is expected given the specifications, but we also noticed that the 5800X draws up to 145W while reaching those higher clock speeds, while the 5800X3D only peaks around 120W. This despite both chips having the same 105W TDP and 142W PPT.

Both chips reach the same peak around 80C during the heavy parts of the test, showing that the 5800X3D runs at the same temperature even though the 5800X is consuming 25W more power and running at higher clocks.

 

[Amdlova]

Only micro center

 

[CelicaGT]

Guess it depends on what you expect, but with an 280mm AIO running at 100% fans and getting 80 degrees, going with anything less might not be everybody's cup of tea.

AMD Ryzen 7 5800X3D Review: 3D V-Cache Powers a New Gaming Champion

96MB of L3 cache goes Brrrr

www.tomshardware.com

I own one, it sits under a Hyper 212. In all core loads it never breaks 80C. My experience mirrors pretty much everyone elses. I'll stick with my non-recommendation of an AIO.

 

[Gauche Cockney]

I have 2nd gen Ryzen, should I upgrade to the R5 5600x3d or R7 5700x?

 

[Amdlova]

I have 2nd gen Ryzen, should I upgrade to the R5 5600x3d or R7 5700x?

I vote for the 5700x / six cores today it's like 8gb vram tomorrow will be not enough...

 

[hotaru.hino]

Guess it depends on what you expect, but with an 280mm AIO running at 100% fans and getting 80 degrees, going with anything less might not be everybody's cup of tea.

AMD Ryzen 7 5800X3D Review: 3D V-Cache Powers a New Gaming Champion

96MB of L3 cache goes Brrrr

www.tomshardware.com

This only tells me that a water cooler running a "stress test" can keep the CPU at 80C. It doesn't tell me what an air cooler gets or that I "need" a water cooler.

Looking at a review for DeepCool's AK500, a mid-rangeish air cooler, considering it's able to cool 200W and 140W power profiles almost as good as an AIO (the only test it seems to fail is 200W 50% fan speed), I'm pretty sure you don't need a 280mm AIO water cooler for this CPU.

I vote for the 5700x / six cores today it's like 8gb vram tomorrow will be not enough...

I've yet to run into a game on my 5600X that pegs it at 90%+ total utilization. Also if we look at what games are played the most these days (which I'm too lazy too do any proper research, so we'll just use https://activeplayer.io/top-15-most-popular-pc-games-of-2022/ as an example), almost all of the top 10 have low requirements that won't even make a modern quad-core sweat.

 

[Gillerer]

I have 2nd gen Ryzen, should I upgrade to the R5 5600x3d or R7 5700x?

If you want to prioritize multi-threaded productivity (e.g. rendering), go for the 5700X.

If you want to prioritize performance in high framerate gaming (competitive settings, low resolution), go for the X3D.

Otherwise (including if you play games at high settings and resolution, so are GPU-bound), it doesn't matter. You might not even see significant improvement for such gaming from either upgrade.

I vote for the 5700x / six cores today it's like 8gb vram tomorrow will be not enough...

Cores are not created equal - it's the overall CPU performance that matters.

Many games are still highly reliant on a couple of main threads. For those it's vastly more beneficial to get the same total performance in fewer cores. (And at worst there will be no difference for well-threaded applications.)

 

[CelicaGT]

This only tells me that a water cooler running a "stress test" can keep the CPU at 80C. It doesn't tell me what an air cooler gets or that I "need" a water cooler.

Looking at a review for DeepCool's AK500, a mid-rangeish air cooler, considering it's able to cool 200W and 140W power profiles almost as good as an AIO (the only test it seems to fail is 200W 50% fan speed), I'm pretty sure you don't need a 280mm AIO water cooler for this CPU.


I've yet to run into a game on my 5600X that pegs it at 90%+ total utilization. Also if we look at what games are played the most these days (which I'm too lazy too do any proper research, so we'll just use https://activeplayer.io/top-15-most-popular-pc-games-of-2022/ as an example), almost all of the top 10 have low requirements that won't even make a modern quad-core sweat.

I had the 5600X. Fantastic CPU. I got the 5800X3D specifically for its benefits in MSFS 2020. The per core performance regression in other tasks was of no consequence. School papers, and income tax is the only "work" this machine does. I will add that the extra two cores have been useful. I run a lot of stuff in the background such as Discord, Whatsapp and Firefox with a few tabs/YouTube running. I found the 5600X tapped the mat here and there under that usage and not just in MSFS. Simple enough to close some stuff but it's nice to be able to run it all. Everyone's use case will be a little different.

 

[hotaru.hino]

I had the 5600X. Fantastic CPU. I got the 5800X3D specifically for its benefits in MSFS 2020. The per core performance regression in other tasks was of no consequence. School papers, and income tax is the only "work" this machine does. I will add that the extra two cores have been useful. I run a lot of stuff in the background such as Discord, Whatsapp and Firefox with a few tabs/YouTube running. I found the 5600X tapped the mat here and there under that usage and not just in MSFS. Simple enough to close some stuff but it's nice to be able to run it all. Everyone's use case will be a little different.

Another thing I would say to consider here is even if the CPU is pegged at 100% with whatever you have open, is the performance still to your liking? Because if you're still getting say at least 60 FPS in almost everything most of the time, is it still really a problem?

This is just me feeling like people want to assign a single value to what determines some sort of cut-off point, when the reality is dozens of numbers contribute to the one that matters.

 

[PaulAlcorn]

Should be an interesting CPU for those who can get one. I'm led to believe supply will only be for a few months.

"We haven’t been told of any specific cooler recommendations, but given the TDP rating, it likely requires a 240mm liquid cooler like the 105W Ryzen 7 5800X3D."

Can we please stop perpetuating this. The 5800X3D does NOT need a 240mm AIO, neither will the 5600X3D. Nearly any basic tower air cooler rated for the TDP will be more than sufficient.

A 240mm AIO or air equivalent (or greater) is AMD's recommendation. I did forget to mention the air equivalent bit, thanks. Of note: AMD's spec page says: "Recommended Cooler
Liquid cooler recommended for optimal performance"

 

[PlaneInTheSky]

The fact they are failed 5800X3D dies makes me really apprehensive about the longevity of these CPU.

AMD's X3D already have some questionable longevity over time, so I wouldn't want to get a piece of silicon from a failed die on top of it.

 

[gggplaya]

Should be an interesting CPU for those who can get one. I'm led to believe supply will only be for a few months.

"We haven’t been told of any specific cooler recommendations, but given the TDP rating, it likely requires a 240mm liquid cooler like the 105W Ryzen 7 5800X3D."

Can we please stop perpetuating this. The 5800X3D does NOT need a 240mm AIO, neither will the 5600X3D. Nearly any basic tower air cooler rated for the TDP will be more than sufficient.

I have a 5800x non-3d and my Kraken X52 at the time wasn't enough. Not overclocked, just standard MB settings. For gaming it's perfectly fine, and so would an air cooler. However, for CPU transcoding video from a blu-ray rip down to 1080p, the CPU would overheat even with it at 100% fan speed and my case fans set to 100%. I have good logically laid out air flow in my case as well. I also tried opening the side glass. When using all cores at 100%, most air coolers or 240mm isn't enough. I upgraded to a Corsair 360mm AIO, which solved the issue for me with headroom to spare. A 280mm AIO might be the right size for this CPU.

 

[usertests]

The fact they are failed 5800X3D dies makes me really apprehensive about the longevity of these CPU.

AMD's X3D already have some questionable longevity over time, so I wouldn't want to get a piece of silicon from a failed die on top of it.

It's completely normal to disable lower performing "failed" cores.

 

[TerryLaze]

The fact they are failed 5800X3D dies makes me really apprehensive about the longevity of these CPU.

AMD's X3D already have some questionable longevity over time, so I wouldn't want to get a piece of silicon from a failed die on top of it.

No that's not an issue, any part that isn't disabled gets the same amount of testing as any other CPU.
Most CPUs are failed higher parts for both intel and amd, it's just rare that they make a completely new product, usually they just trickle down the product tiers.

 

[hotaru.hino]

The fact they are failed 5800X3D dies makes me really apprehensive about the longevity of these CPU.

A 5600X is just a "failed" 5800X. And a 5900X is just two of those failed 5800X dies slapped together.

Sure says a lot about AM--... oh wait, everyone does this.

 

[flowingbass]

Since temps for x3d chips are of topic, i initially had my 5800x3d with a hyper 212 LED, cooler master states it's good for 150w tdp. My x3d chip kept thermal throttling down to 4.050 - 4.2 at 91c the moment i render videos. Since then i replaced my hyper 212 with dark rock pro 4 250w, temps are still hot, 81 - 85c but clocks fluctuate at 4.299 - 4.35 while rendering.

Gaming is different, hyper 212 was able to keep it at 80-85c clocks were 4.2 - 4.3.
Dark rock pro 4 was 70-80c but clocks hover way more at 4.45 - 4.5flat and occasionally dips at 4.35

So yeah a basic tower air cooler is serviceable, but there's a risk if "only" having 90 - 95% performance of the chip.

 

[MergleBergle]

Poor gamers in Canada have told me they are sad now. Certainly not me, nope, no sir!

 

[CelicaGT]

Another thing I would say to consider here is even if the CPU is pegged at 100% with whatever you have open, is the performance still to your liking? Because if you're still getting say at least 60 FPS in almost everything most of the time, is it still really a problem?

This is just me feeling like people want to assign a single value to what determines some sort of cut-off point, when the reality is dozens of numbers contribute to the one that matters.

The performance was very much to my liking. I run vsync at 60fps as that is my monitors refresh rate, and I don't see the point of needlessly running my hardware at 100% utilization. I mean, my power company probably doesn't mind. (Who am I kidding, we have cheap, abundant hydroelectricity here). In games that were affected I would get the odd hitch here and there, or some stuttering while panning the camera. Nothing deal breaking. If it wasn't for MSFS I would not have bothered with the 5800X3D, instead I would have picked up the 5700X or nothing.

 

[CelicaGT]

A 240mm AIO or air equivalent (or greater) is AMD's recommendation. I did forget to mention the air equivalent bit, thanks. Of note: AMD's spec page says: "Recommended Cooler
Liquid cooler recommended for optimal performance"

Fair enough. I did not know it was AMD's recommendation. Indeed that is the case. I would still consider air cooling, as liquid cooling can have long term reliability issues. But with the understanding that AMD recommends it the I agree with Tom's doing so as well.

 

[CelicaGT]

I have a 5800x non-3d and my Kraken X52 at the time wasn't enough. Not overclocked, just standard MB settings. For gaming it's perfectly fine, and so would an air cooler. However, for CPU transcoding video from a blu-ray rip down to 1080p, the CPU would overheat even with it at 100% fan speed and my case fans set to 100%. I have good logically laid out air flow in my case as well. I also tried opening the side glass. When using all cores at 100%, most air coolers or 240mm isn't enough. I upgraded to a Corsair 360mm AIO, which solved the issue for me with headroom to spare. A 280mm AIO might be the right size for this CPU.

I'm finding these reports interesting. I'm wondering if there are physical differences in the chip (thermal conduction through the cache -> interconnect) or is it simply BIOS variations in regards to Voltage and/or Clockspeed. Indeed, I have my sample under a 7 or 8 year old Hyper 212, at an ambient of 20 to 21C it sits at around 78C all-core in Cinebench, 4276Mhz and smack on the 105W mark. I have several folks I fly with in MSFS and their results when we compared at the time were all pretty close to that mark, even those with liquid. It's been surmised that the cache acts as a thermal break, limiting heat transfer and that's why we see a drop off in effectiveness with larger air and liquid coolers.

 

[-Fran-]

There's a 5800X3D under that BeQuiet! Shadow Rock TF2 and it does go to the high 80's when multitasking and encoding via software, but I've never had throttling issues that I've noticed and recorded. During the torture test on initial setup, it never went above 88°C. Also, that is a 6900XT and it's a closed case which goes under the TV in, let's say, less than favourable venting conditions.

Point is: even if AMD says you need a 280 AIO to cool it, well, I just disagree with them based on personal experience. Much like everyone else in here is saying it, I just wanted to provide some personal perspective.

EDIT: Forgot to say! AM4 is dead! Long live AM4! So will Intel backport something to LGA1151? LOL!

Regards.