Review AMD Ryzen 7 5800X3D Review: 3D V-Cache Powers a New Gaming Champion

[Admin]

The Ryzen 7 5800X3D, the world's first processor with a 3D-stacked cache, is now the fastest gaming CPU ever created.

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[Kamen Rider Blade]

Depending on what applications you're using, there are potentially HUGE performance gains, even on non common workloads.

Level1Techs & Hardware UnBoxed has shown that the 5800X3D is a good value compared to the 12900KS or 12900K

 

[Makaveli]

The 5800X3D on the surface looks good. Not the $449 price tag to be sure as many of us given our ongoing dilemma at the gas pumps leaves little or no cash available for higher-end PC fares. Besides AMD being a latecomer to the party with a practically outdated and niche CPU and especially with an all new CPU and hardware generation sitting virtually on our doorstep! At this point in time I would think that many will ‘hold and fold’ until better economic times are in sight and mind. At the latest local computer show the 5800X3D came up in discussion and it was said: “Looks like a very nice chip, but at this late time it’s not a good investment!”

I see this the other way its a fantastic upgrade for those on AM4 that may still be on Zen+ or Zen 2 and will prolong the life of those systems a few more years. Leaving time for pricing to go down on DDR5 when its time to upgrade.

 

[M42]

Clearly, something is wrong with the 12900ks sample used (or the setup) if it can't be overclocked at all, and especially if it is not faster than an overclocked 12700k.

Also, how could any conclusion be made without including 12900k/ks + DDR5 tests?

For example, from a TechSpot review, 12900k FarCry 6 performance was the following (no overclocking):
157 frames/sec - 12900k DDR4-3200
170 frames/sec - 12900k DDR5-6400

Details can be found in the "Gaming Benchmarks" section here:

Intel Core i9-12900KS Review

Not wanting to give up the performance crown after finally winning it back, Intel has been saving the very best 12900K silicon they could produce, binning it...

www.techspot.com

Even after benchmarking the 12900k/ks with DDR5, the 5800X3D might still be ahead in the geometric mean. But since DDR5 prices are dropping I think most people buying a 12900k/ks may end up using higher-end motherboards with DDR5 to squeeze out every last drop of performance. So, can you add some Alder Lake + DDR5 results, please? (thanks!)

 

[sizzling]

I see this the other way its a fantastic upgrade for those on AM4 that may still be on Zen+ or Zen 2 and will prolong the life of those systems a few more years. Leaving time for pricing to go down on DDR5 when its time to upgrade.

This is me. I just upgraded from a 3700X to a 5800X3D. I’m going to get a couple more years out my B450 Tomahawk Max and 2x16gb DDR4. This is paired with a 3080 and 1440p 240Hz monitor. By the time I need to upgrade cpu DDR5 will hopefully be more mature, cheaper and actually bring beneficial improvements for games.

The only thing that I have noticed is my RAM seem to run hotter on the 5800X3D than the 3700X. It now runs at about 45-49c on stock XMP, previously 40-43.

 

[Alvar "Miles" Udell]

While it may be the best in gaming for AMD's current offerings, other reviews, such as Techpowerup's, which use an RTX 3080, show the 5800X3D to lead by only 7.4% on vs the 5900X in gaming at 1920x1080 on average. Assuming you aren't using a ~$1500 3090 but a ~$900 3080, are you really telling us that you should buy the 3080X3D instead of spending, currently, $80 more on the 5950X, for twice the number of cores and a much better all around system?

 

[sizzling]

While it may be the best in gaming for AMD's current offerings, other reviews, such as Techpowerup's, which use an RTX 3080, show the 5800X3D to lead by only 7.4% on vs the 5900X in gaming at 1920x1080 on average. Assuming you aren't using a ~$1500 3090 but a ~$900 3080, are you really telling us that you should buy the 3080X3D instead of spending, currently, $80 more on the 5950X, for twice the number of cores and a much better all around system?

The 5950X is outperformed by the 5900X for gaming, so if gaming is the main concern then it makes sense to compare to a 5800X or 5900X.

 

[Alvar "Miles" Udell]

The 5950X is outperformed by the 5900X for gaming, so if gaming is the main concern then it makes sense to compare to a 5800X or 5900X.

True, but not in applications, which is half of this test, and the 5950X beats the 5900X quite handily due to having more cores. And since they compared it against an Intel processor with 16 cores, the 12900K, as well as the 12900KS variant, then they should have included a 16 core AMD processor as well for good measure, even though the 12900K and KS are quite a bit faster anyway.

 

[sizzling]

True, but not in applications, which is half of this test, and the 5950X beats the 5900X quite handily due to having more cores. And since they compared it against an Intel processor with 16 cores, the 12900K, as well as the 12900KS variant, then they should have included a 16 core AMD processor as well for good measure, even though the 12900K and KS are quite a bit faster anyway.

True, but this review is about the 5800X3D which is being pushed as a gaming cpu, nothing more. Therefore it’s reasonable to compare on that basis. If you are not after a purely gaming cpu the 5800X3D probably does not make sense.

 

[-Fran-]

The biggest winners with the 5800X3D are AM4 owners; the people that actually trusted AMD and, well, they have fully delivered, I'd say. I personally didn't go with the 5800X3D, because the 5900X dropped to under $400 and that's just way too good as an upgrade (I got it for £370). I've gone through 3 Zen generations (2700X, 3800XT and now the 5900X) and while I still think the 9K gen from Intel is still good, I can't help but feel kind of sorry for them. Almost the same for 10K gen owners, but the 10700K is still a great CPU in my eyes and let's not talk about 11K gen.

Also, this thing is still 8 cores and 16 threads, it's not like it suddenly got degraded to a 4 core 8 threads CPU. I'm sure it should be fairly similar to the 11700K or at least 10700K and those you wouldn't say are slouches, no? Perspective is as common as the common sense, innit?

Regards.

 

[Alvar "Miles" Udell]

The biggest losers are people like me who bought a high end X370 motherboard trusting AMD to support all AM4 processors on all AM4 motherboards like they said at the beginning, then bought a X570 motherboard after they said no Zen 3 support on X370 motherboards only for them to then change their minds and actually support Zen 3 on X370 motherboards...

 

[RodroX]

Its sorta funny to find out that the "Fastest Gaming Chip Ever i9 12900K" (https://www.tomshardware.com/news/intel-core-i9-12900ks-cpu-review), was the fastest for less than 2 month.

Crazy times we are living in. Got to wonder how longer will the R7 5800X3D last as the "New Gaming Champion/The fastest gaming CPU money can buy" ?

 

[Sleepy_Hollowed]

Definitively a chip to upgrade to from an earlier gen if you play games, or if you have a 5500 and money to spend and only do gaming.

I'd even purchase it coming from an older intel gen and all I do is gaming, but as of right now, that's not quite all I do, so it does not make sense, but it's quite the enticing CPU for gaming, especially since it does not use that much power.

I wonder what they can do with the next iteration of this chip.

 

[KananX]

Good article, but the many bugs / hangs / page resets I have on toms on Safari, make it tedious to read.

I have replaced my 3700X (PBO and DDR4 3800 CL16) with this 5800X3D a few days ago, Ram had to be clocked lower as I wasn’t too lucky with IOD lottery, so it’s at 3600 CL16 now (2x16GB). It’s a great boost for Valorant I’m playing atm, and I even stepped up my x264 quality to “Medium” from “fast”, and still more than 400 fps on 1440p Ultra (2080 Ti high OC). Another reason I bought this was MechWarrior5 where I was heavily CPU limited despite 1440p Ultra with RT and DLSS balanced, which only gave me around 30-40fps, sometimes more when lucky (different world), was one of the reasons I bought it too, still to test it, but I’m confident the gains will ensure the bottleneck of the CPU will be gone. All in all, it feels great and I love having the latest in tech, AMD is simply the best company (along with Apple) today.

By the way, I have lowered Voltage by 50mW to ensure better temperatures and less throttling with unnecessary extreme benchmarks (Small FFT), unlike the article mentioned, it is possible to lower the voltage. I have not tested increasing the voltage though, as I’m already at the limit with a Noctua D14 cooler, and will not risk 3DV Cache breaking, that’s for the extreme overclockers or people with too much money to test. But the Bios offered the option, nonetheless (TUF Gaming X570 Plus, latest beta bios Agesa 12.0.7). It helped a ton lowering temperatures and performance is nearly the same, maybe 1-2% less in a few benchmarks.

 

[alithegreat]

Weren't this article published at April 13th or 14th? I know it because I shared it that day..
How come all the comments and dates suddenly changed? What was edited? Why?
If you re-release an article just add a small info section like updated, first released etc..

 

[-Fran-]

The biggest losers are people like me who bought a high end X370 motherboard trusting AMD to support all AM4 processors on all AM4 motherboards like they said at the beginning, then bought a X570 motherboard after they said no Zen 3 support on X370 motherboards only for them to then change their minds and actually support Zen 3 on X370 motherboards...

Maybe. I can't remember what was the original messaging and how the "tech press" spread the word, but AMD is still guilty for not clarifying things at their earlier opportunity. And even if you could have stayed with the X370, you still now have PCIe4, which I don't (for instance). I don't know if I want it even.

Anyway:

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uo4WxpwHs3s

EDIT: It also helps to demonstrate that PCIe3 vs 4 is a NON ISSUE. I'm expecting PCIe4 vs 5 to be the same for all the people saying "but muh PCIe5!".

Regards.

 

[KananX]

Maybe. I can't remember what was the original messaging and how the "tech press" spread the word, but AMD is still guilty for not clarifying things at their earlier opportunity. And even if you could have stayed with the X370, you still now have PCIe4, which I don't (for instance). I don't know if I want it even.

Anyway:

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uo4WxpwHs3s

EDIT: It also helps to demonstrate that PCIe3 vs 4 is a NON ISSUE. I'm expecting PCIe4 vs 5 to be the same for all the people saying "but muh PCIe5!".

Regards.

It’s a absolute non issue. I don’t use any PCIE gen 4 on my system (X570), NVME was too expensive back then and my GPU simply can’t do it, and then again 3090s were tested for example and it was maybe 1-2% faster than 3.0 mode. It will be more interesting once DirectStorage for games is used and stronger GPUs who really need 4.0.

However I have my doubts DirectStorage will need 4.0, people shouldn’t forget that 3.0 is already very fast and has unused speed that still needs to be tapped into by most games.

 

[mdd1963]

I had to double-check the date on this review...twice.

 

[msroadkill612]

Sorry to be vague, but the charts dont work for me so i convey my recall of another review to make the point that efficiency seems oddly neglected in this discussion, yet price is a focus, yet we end up spending a lot more on power than we do on the cpu over its life.

as i recall, it took the intel literally double to achieve the same result on some tests.

 

[mdd1963]

This is me. I just upgraded from a 3700X to a 5800X3D.

That would be quite a substantial jump, congrats! (Could likely easily hold you over until AM6, truth be told!)

 

[Alvar "Miles" Udell]

It would have been nice to see the 3800X and 5900X in an overclocked configuration as well, to see how it stacked up against the unoverclockable 3800X3D, since manual overclocking can often easily exceed PBO.

 

[KananX]

It would have been nice to see the 3800X and 5900X in an overclocked configuration as well, to see how it stacked up against the unoverclockable 3800X3D, since manual overclocking can often easily exceed PBO.

PBO with curve optimizer is way better than manual overclocking with Ryzen, this isn’t Intel. And the 3800X gets destroyed by the 5800X or X3D, doesn’t matter if it’s overclocked or a golden sample.

 

[Alvar "Miles" Udell]

PBO with curve optimizer is way better than manual overclocking with Ryzen, this isn’t Intel. And the 3800X gets destroyed by the 5800X or X3D, doesn’t matter if it’s overclocked or a golden sample.

Disagree, I'm able to easily hit higher frequencies with my 5950X than it was hitting with PBO, +200mhz speed limit, motherboard limits, and curve optimizer set per core, and I have far from a golden sample.

Also in that post I meant to say 5800X and 5900X.

 

[KananX]

Disagree, I'm able to easily hit higher frequencies with my 5950X than it was hitting with PBO, +200mhz speed limit, motherboard limits, and curve optimizer set per core, and I have far from a golden sample.

Also in that post I meant to say 5800X and 5900X.

The 5800X3D isn’t comparable to either of them because those aren’t really for gaming.
And I already mentioned curve optimizer in my post, Ryzen barely gets anything from overclocking, this is proven and proven again, the 5800X3D is way way faster than both in purely gaming, as it’s faster than 12900K, which is also faster than those.

 

[Alvar "Miles" Udell]

The 5800X3D isn’t comparable to either of them because those aren’t really for gaming.
And I already mentioned curve optimizer in my post, Ryzen barely gets anything from overclocking, this is proven and proven again, the 5800X3D is way way faster than both in purely gaming, as it’s faster than 12900K, which is also faster than those.

Not saying they would be faster, but it would be nice to see them on the chart since overclocking is a feature that is not supported on the 3D while it is on the other two, and especially since they didn't do it with their 12900K/S review either.