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Not saying they would be faster, but it would be nice to see them on the chart since overclocking is a feature that is not supported on the 3D while it is on the other two, and especially since they didn't do it with their 12900K/S review either.
Strictly spoken it is supported, if you really want it you can do it. BCLK OC is a thing with 5800X3D and yields a few hundred MHz extra.

12900K on other hand, who in their sane mind is overclocking that hot and inefficient mess even further? It’s already auto overclocking itself since Intel wanted so hard to beat the 5950X (which is still faster in a lot of applications and way more efficient).
 
I see this the other way its a fantastic upgrade for those on AM4 that may still be on Zen+ or Zen 2 and will prolong the life of those systems a few more years. Leaving time for pricing to go down on DDR5 when its time to upgrade.

This sounds good on the face of it, and I applaud AMD letting their customers have the option to swap CPU's without a full rebuild, but I can't imagine who that user would be that wants to drop a top end gaming focused performance processor into a 3-5 year old mobo for likely less than a year when it will get torched and devalued by the next generation AM5. I also don't understand the fringe use case we're talking about for this processor to truly shine. Running 1080p low detail games over 200 fps? I'm thinking only hardcore FPS gamers and I'd bet most have something else that's a higher priority they'd spend money on first to improve their setup for competition(like an ultra low latency setup e.g. reflex).
 
This sounds good on the face of it, and I applaud AMD letting their customers have the option to swap CPU's without a full rebuild, but I can't imagine who that user would be that wants to drop a top end gaming focused performance processor into a 3-5 year old mobo for likely less than a year when it will get torched and devalued by the next generation AM5. I also don't understand the fringe use case we're talking about for this processor to truly shine. Running 1080p low detail games over 200 fps? I'm thinking only hardcore FPS gamers and I'd bet most have something else that's a higher priority they'd spend money on first to improve their setup for competition(like an ultra low latency setup e.g. reflex).
Easy, because that user can save money on motherboard and ram, and also doesn’t have to take the whole PC apart. I needed 15 minutes to install mine. Also 5800X3D will be able to trade blows with next gen, it IS like next gen. There are some games who profit insanely from the 96MB L3 cache, not just 15-25%.
 
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This sounds good on the face of it, and I applaud AMD letting their customers have the option to swap CPU's without a full rebuild, but I can't imagine who that user would be that wants to drop a top end gaming focused performance processor into a 3-5 year old mobo for likely less than a year when it will get torched and devalued by the next generation AM5. I also don't understand the fringe use case we're talking about for this processor to truly shine. Running 1080p low detail games over 200 fps? I'm thinking only hardcore FPS gamers and I'd bet most have something else that's a higher priority they'd spend money on first to improve their setup for competition(like an ultra low latency setup e.g. reflex).

Its not just on the face of it those are facts.

almost anyone on a am4 board with a prezen 3 cpu its a no brainer. And you are assuming that person is just going to upgrade when AM5 is out and they may not be looking to do that at all. Some people like to skip first generation products and this upgrade will allow you to do so. Secondly anyone coming from Prezen 3 cpu you this will provide a huge boost in gaming performance it doesn't have to just be the High refresh rate crowd. I saw a huge boost going from a 3800X to a 5800X.
 
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Its not just on the face of it those are facts.

almost anyone on a am4 board with a prezen 3 cpu its a no brainer. And you are assuming that person is just going to upgrade when AM5 is out and they may not be looking to do that at all. Some people like to skip first generation products and this upgrade will allow you to do so. Secondly anyone coming from Prezen 3 cpu you this will provide a huge boost in gaming performance it doesn't have to just be the High refresh rate crowd. I saw a huge boost going from a 3800X to a 5800X.
Exactly. First of all I got huge fps gains in Valorant in 1440p ultra which aren’t “typical esports settings”, and able to step up stream settings in obs to “medium”. Secondly I lifted a hard cpu bottleneck in MW5, it was basically barely using the GPU despite ultra settings and ray tracing.
 
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