News AMD Ryzen 9 5950X 16-Core CPU Hits 5 GHz Without Breaking A Sweat

[TerryLaze]

If it was ready they would release it as soon as possible. It must not be ready.

They are loosing significant market share in the enthusiast segment to AMD currently. You would think if they had any way to fight back available they would rather than purposely not innovate and loose market share.

They are a business, they aren't going to purposely hold back on releasing it since they are already loosing a lot of marketshare in the segment to amd, regardless of if you think zen is that good or not.

https://www.macrotrends.net/stocks/charts/INTC/intel/net-income

AMD Net Income 2010-2024 | AMD

AMD annual/quarterly net income history and growth rate from 2010 to 2024. Net income can be defined as company's net profit or loss after all revenues, income items, and expenses have been accounted for. <ul style='margin-top:10px;'> <li>AMD net income for the quarter ending...

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Tell me again, why would Intel care about market share?!
Intel has maxed out what they could earn before the new FAB came online recently while AMD is making zero money comparatively.
Market share is only important if it can actually affect the competition, if the bottom line doesn't go down market share is meaningless.

• Intel annual net income for 2019 was $21.048B, a 0.02% decline from 2018.
• Intel annual net income for 2018 was $21.053B, a 119.28% increase from 2017.
• Intel annual net income for 2017 was $9.601B, a 6.93% decline from 2016.

• AMD annual net income for 2019 was $0.341B, a 1.19% increase from 2018.
• AMD annual net income for 2018 was $0.337B, a 1121.21% decline from 2017.
• AMD annual net income for 2017 was $-0.033B, a 93.37% decline from 2016.

 

[TerryLaze]

Are some of you really going into the clock speed argument, knowing darn well that there's more to it than that?

If you are talking about the same CPU and that same CPU is now reportedly running higher clocks then that is all you need.
Same CPU + more clocks = more better.

 

[Olle P]

Lots of fanfare about 5 GHz...as though this arbitrary number in and of itself is significant.

Yes, it is significant, from a psychological point of view.
(For GPUs the magical speed is 2 GHz.)

I find it interesting to see the 5.04 value. Seems like the base clock isn't exactly 100 MHz...

 

[Gurg]

" AMD Ryzen 9 5950X 16-Core CPU Hits 5 GHz Without Breaking A Sweat"

If it was without breaking a sweat it would have been 5.1+ghz. not just 5ghz flat.

 

[BeedooX]

" AMD Ryzen 9 5950X 16-Core CPU Hits 5 GHz Without Breaking A Sweat"

If it was without breaking a sweat it would have been 5.1+ghz. not just 5ghz flat.

I hate to break it to you, with you being all clever 'n stuff, but CPU's don't sweat...

That aside, people complained when AMD CPU's didn't quite make their advertised boost speeds, and now they appear to exceed them, they're still not happy.

 

[shady28]

Lots of fanfare about 5 GHz...as though this arbitrary number in and of itself is significant.

The delivered performance is what is significant.

If the 5800X at 'only' 4.3 or 4.4 GHz sustained all-core clock speeds can defeat the 10700K at all core 4.8 GHz at a majority of applications/gaming benchmarks, that is what matters...

Not sure why a $450 processor (5800X) beating a $300-$350 processor (10700K) with the same # of cores / threads would be anything other than expected. In fact, if that wasn't the case, it would be an outright fail.

 

[Makaveli]

Corsair h150i Pro, which has a 360mm radiator.

i'm using the same cooler and can hit boost clocks no issue in my setup.

 

[jeremyj_83]

Meh, if ZEN 3 is actually going to be good intel will finally release rocket lake on 14nm, rocket lake will have 20% more compute units(ports go from 8 to 10) and whatever more cache than skylake so it will keep up the status quo we have now.
Sunny is the arch before rocket so rocket will be at least that.

Intel Sunny Cove Microarchitecture Details

At Intel Architecture Day 2018, we got fresh Intel Sunny Cove microarchitecture details which show why Intel is about to make a much larger jump in per clock performance than we have seen in many generations

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Right now it is believed that Rocket Lake will be Willow Cove put into 14nm instead of 10nm like it is for Tiger Lake. In terms of IPC there isn't really any difference between Willow Cove and Sunny Cove (Ice Lake), the biggest difference was the ability to clock higher, hence 10-20% performance improvement, on Willow Cove 10nm compared Sunny Cove 10nm. However, now they are going to be putting that into a larger process so there will be some clock speed reduction or a massive increase in power requirements. Reason is you are adding a lot more logic to the chip so your die size will be much larger. Now you are going to have to make those same clock speeds as before with a die I'm guessing will be about 25-30% larger for the same core count. If you want to have that clock at 5.3GHz now your power budget is going to explode. The 10700K & 10900K were already power hogs, keep the 11700K or if they make a 10 core 11900K (guessing at the names) at 5.3GHz you will create a brown out in your area. We will probably see boost clocks only around the same as Zen 3, unless Intel wants a 165W TDP with 300W max draw. We also already know that Ice Lake and Zen 2 had similar performance, with Ice Lake's IPC being a bit higher. Zen 2 has about 7-10% IPC over Sky Lake & Ice Lake has about 7-10% over Zen 2, however, they preformed almost the same in the mobile space with similar clocks. With Zen 3 gaining 19% IPC over Zen 2, Zen 3 will have 7-10% IPC over Ice Lake. Anandtech did a comparison with the Cinebench claim for the 5900X. With the claimed numbers from AMD, the 5900X is 6% faster than Tiger Lake at the same boost clocks. https://www.anandtech.com/show/1614...-3-on-nov-5th-19-ipc-claims-best-gaming-cpu/2 That means that Rocket Lake will need to clock to 5.1GHz to keep up with Zen 3 in Cinebench.

 

[NightHawkRMX]

Cinebench is cinebench though. AMD has had the lead there for awhile.

Right now it is believed that Rocket Lake will be Willow Cove put into 14nm instead of 10nm like it is for Tiger Lake. In terms of IPC there isn't really any difference between Willow Cove and Sunny Cove (Ice Lake), the biggest difference was the ability to clock higher, hence 10-20% performance improvement, on Willow Cove 10nm compared Sunny Cove 10nm. However, now they are going to be putting that into a larger process so there will be some clock speed reduction or a massive increase in power requirements. Reason is you are adding a lot more logic to the chip so your die size will be much larger. Now you are going to have to make those same clock speeds as before with a die I'm guessing will be about 25-30% larger for the same core count. If you want to have that clock at 5.3GHz now your power budget is going to explode. The 10700K & 10900K were already power hogs, keep the 11700K or if they make a 10 core 11900K (guessing at the names) at 5.3GHz you will create a brown out in your area. We will probably see boost clocks only around the same as Zen 3, unless Intel wants a 165W TDP with 300W max draw. We also already know that Ice Lake and Zen 2 had similar performance, with Ice Lake's IPC being a bit higher. Zen 2 has about 7-10% IPC over Sky Lake & Ice Lake has about 7-10% over Zen 2, however, they preformed almost the same in the mobile space with similar clocks. With Zen 3 gaining 19% IPC over Zen 2, Zen 3 will have 7-10% IPC over Ice Lake. Anandtech did a comparison with the Cinebench claim for the 5900X. With the claimed numbers from AMD, the 5900X is 6% faster than Tiger Lake at the same boost clocks. https://www.anandtech.com/show/1614...-3-on-nov-5th-19-ipc-claims-best-gaming-cpu/2 That means that Rocket Lake will need to clock to 5.1GHz to keep up with Zen 3 in Cinebench.

 

[jeremyj_83]

Cinebench is cinebench though. AMD has had the lead there for awhile.

I know that, it was just a point of reference for something at the same clock speeds.

 

[1_rick]

i'm using the same cooler and can hit boost clocks no issue in my setup.

Glad it's working for you. Wish it worked for me. Maybe I got a bad die, I dunno. Did you tune yours? I spent some time trying a minor undervolt to see if reducing temps a bit more would give me some extra clocks and it seemed to reduce Cinebench scores so I stopped.

 

[shady28]

Right now it is believed that Rocket Lake will be Willow Cove put into 14nm instead of 10nm like it is for Tiger Lake. In terms of IPC there isn't really any difference between Willow Cove and Sunny Cove (Ice Lake), the biggest difference was the ability to clock higher, hence 10-20% performance improvement, on Willow Cove 10nm compared Sunny Cove 10nm. However, now they are going to be putting that into a larger process so there will be some clock speed reduction or a massive increase in power requirements. Reason is you are adding a lot more logic to the chip so your die size will be much larger. Now you are going to have to make those same clock speeds as before with a die I'm guessing will be about 25-30% larger for the same core count. If you want to have that clock at 5.3GHz now your power budget is going to explode. The 10700K & 10900K were already power hogs, keep the 11700K or if they make a 10 core 11900K (guessing at the names) at 5.3GHz you will create a brown out in your area. We will probably see boost clocks only around the same as Zen 3, unless Intel wants a 165W TDP with 300W max draw. We also already know that Ice Lake and Zen 2 had similar performance, with Ice Lake's IPC being a bit higher. Zen 2 has about 7-10% IPC over Sky Lake & Ice Lake has about 7-10% over Zen 2, however, they preformed almost the same in the mobile space with similar clocks. With Zen 3 gaining 19% IPC over Zen 2, Zen 3 will have 7-10% IPC over Ice Lake. Anandtech did a comparison with the Cinebench claim for the 5900X. With the claimed numbers from AMD, the 5900X is 6% faster than Tiger Lake at the same boost clocks. https://www.anandtech.com/show/1614...-3-on-nov-5th-19-ipc-claims-best-gaming-cpu/2 That means that Rocket Lake will need to clock to 5.1GHz to keep up with Zen 3 in Cinebench.

Too much napkin math.

Tiger lake 4c/8t was largely compared to 8c/8t and 8c/16t Ryzens. Despite having 100% more cores, Ryzen was only ~30-35% faster in multi-thread scenarios. The AI core in Tiger Lake made it 3-6x faster than 8 core AMD in video encoding apps which used the AI core.

Pay attention to that last part, since you want to focus on multi-thread encoding tasks.

"The Intel reference model encoded a two-minute 4K project to ProRes 422 in 11 minutes and 13 seconds. The Lenovo IdeaPad Slim 7 with its Ryzen 7 processor took over an hour to finish the same task. "

https://ca.news.yahoo.com/intel-11th-gen-tiger-lake-131537728.html

 

[PrinceTexasLoaf]

The Ryzen 9 5950X has popped up in Geekbench 5 again, but this time, running at 5.04 GHz.

AMD Ryzen 9 5950X 16-Core CPU Hits 5 GHz Without Breaking A Sweat : Read more

Seeing those cpus beat intel in both single core and multi core is ...enticing!! 😀

 

[jeremyj_83]

Too much napkin math.

Tiger lake 4c/8t was largely compared to 8c/8t and 8c/16t Ryzens. Despite having 100% more cores, Ryzen was only ~30-35% faster in multi-thread scenarios. The AI core in Tiger Lake made it 3-6x faster than 8 core AMD in video encoding apps which used the AI core.

Pay attention to that last part, since you want to focus on multi-thread encoding tasks.

"The Intel reference model encoded a two-minute 4K project to ProRes 422 in 11 minutes and 13 seconds. The Lenovo IdeaPad Slim 7 with its Ryzen 7 processor took over an hour to finish the same task. "

https://ca.news.yahoo.com/intel-11th-gen-tiger-lake-131537728.html

The only napkin math is from power requirement estimation. All the other IPC percentages are easily found from reviews.

Yes the Ryzen mobile chips were only 30-35% faster in multi-threaded scenarios. The Tiger Lake CPU also has much higher boost clocks. Due to cooling solution differences as well as what is allowed for power draw on mobile (15W vs 28W), it would be interesting to see what the sustained clock speeds were for both CPUs in multi-threaded applications. For example if the Ryzen were set at 15W TDP and the clocks stabilized at 2.2GHz but the Tiger Lake is at 28W and clocks stabilized at 3.2GHz of course it wouldn't be that far behind in multi-threaded applications.

 

[2plash6]

At one point, the Ryzen 3000s series were struggling to reach their turbo boost clocks.

They were locked.
But AMD must have patched that up if the 5000 series are reaching 5ghz.

Previously, it was quite rare to see a Ryzen 7 3700x or r9 3900x boosting it's speed.

Normally, the Zen 2 processors cores would all be clocked at different speeds.

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/amd-ryzen-3000-boost-fix-cores,40398.html

Our Tests Show Not All Ryzen 3000 Cores Are Created Equal

Not all cores in AMD's Ryzen 3000-series processors can reach the boost frequency.

www.tomshardware.com

 

[Conahl]

TerryLaze
gotta love how you pretty much ALWAYS tout how much money intel makes over amd, but guess what, a company that makes substantially LESS then intel, seems to have passed it in pretty much every metric. single core, multi core, and power usage. intel has nothing left to claim. i wonder what the intel fans will praise now ??
such an intel fanboy. you just cant stand how your beloved intel may not be the cpu leader in anything can you ? the only bastion intel had was games and single core performance, and now, they may have lost that too. face it, intel may not be the cpu leader in any thing any more.

 

[2plash6]

TerryLaze
gotta love how you pretty much ALWAYS tout how much money intel makes over amd, but guess what, a company that makes substantially LESS then intel, seems to have passed it in pretty much every metric. single core, multi core, and power usage. intel has nothing left to claim. i wonder what the intel fans will praise now ??
such an intel fanboy. you just cant stand how your beloved intel may not be the cpu leader in anything can you ? the only bastion intel had was games and single core performance, and now, they may have lost that too. face it, intel may not be the cpu leader in any thing any more.

I TOTALLY agree. I am an Intel fan, even though the Ryzens are dominating the market.

 

[Phaaze88]

If you are talking about the same CPU and that same CPU is now reportedly running higher clocks then that is all you need.
Same CPU + more clocks = more better.

Nononono... Please tell me you see this:
This is a thread about Ryzen 5950X being capable of 5.0ghz, and certain people derailing it by bringing up Intel's Core i. I suppose it was inevitable, but you know it's not the same.
If people want to compare Ryzen to Ryzen, sure.
Core i to Core i? Hey, debate away!

Core i V Ryzen? No, it's just not the same, and misleading/misguiding.
Core i 4.0ghz =! Ryzen 4.0ghz
Core i 5.0ghz =! Ryzen 5.0ghz

Differences in IPC
Cache size and frequency
The current Core i monolithic die and Ryzen's multi die
Intel's ring bus, mesh bus(found on X series) and Ryzen's CCX
and more!

Folks are oversimplifying it, because they - and I - don't understand even half the stuff above... and it doesn't work that way.

TL;DR: We need reviews and more benchmark samples - which will come in time.

 

[NightHawkRMX]

Not even 2 weeks away. We will know for sure.

I care much more about the ipc increase rather than the clock speed increase, but couple them together and you should have a recipe for a solid performer.

 

[NightHawkRMX]

https://www.macrotrends.net/stocks/charts/INTC/intel/net-income

AMD Net Income 2010-2024 | AMD

AMD annual/quarterly net income history and growth rate from 2010 to 2024. Net income can be defined as company's net profit or loss after all revenues, income items, and expenses have been accounted for. <ul style='margin-top:10px;'> <li>AMD net income for the quarter ending...

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Tell me again, why would Intel care about market share?!
Intel has maxed out what they could earn before the new FAB came online recently while AMD is making zero money comparatively.
Market share is only important if it can actually affect the competition, if the bottom line doesn't go down market share is meaningless.

I did not say they weren't profitable and growing. However, they are loosing sales and market share they would not be loosing if they would release this product. They are business, even if they are profitable, they are going to want to continue to grow even faster if possible and are not going to miss out on a chance to release a product that would benefit them.

That being said, it makes 0 sense for them to hold back from releasing the product, so the chances are its not ready at all.

 

[Phaaze88]

how much money intel makes over amd,

Sadly, this world revolves around money, and 'all that dough' does put Intel in a better position for a comeback - in R&D - if:
-they can get their heads out of their butts
-stop running around with their heads cut off
-get their crap together
... whichever you prefer to call it.
Some people stand by Intel not because of competition, but for how much they've invested in them.

I personally think they've expanded into too many markets. Products start becoming less innovative, among other things; jack of all trades, master of none, sort of thing.
Like, general practitioner to a specialist perhaps?
Quality of games released every year V ones that take a few or several?
It's part of why Nvidia is so good.

 

[King_V]

Nononono... Please tell me you see this:
This is a thread about Ryzen 5950X being capable of 5.0ghz, and certain people derailing it by bringing up Intel's Core i. I suppose it was inevitable, but you know it's not the same.
(snip)
Differences in IPC
Cache size and frequency
The current Core i monolithic die and Ryzen's multi die
Intel's ring bus, mesh bus(found on X series) and Ryzen's CCX
and more!

Folks are oversimplifying it, because they - and I - don't understand even half the stuff above... and it doesn't work that way.

TL;DR: We need reviews and more benchmark samples - which will come in time.

Well, yes, but, you see, it doesn't matter. No matter how well an AMD CPU does, certain people are ALWAYS going to say "But Intel is better, they're just holding back for now" or "OMG AMD SUX MOAR GHZS FTW!" and things of this nature.

 

[Avro Arrow]

While I think that it's great to see a Ryzen processor capable of 5GHz+, I don't know if I would have used the term "shattered" for a CPU that beats it by 40MHz.

 

[Phaaze88]

Well, yes, but, you see, it doesn't matter. No matter how well an AMD CPU does, certain people are ALWAYS going to say "But Intel is better, they're just holding back for now" or "OMG AMD SUX MOAR GHZS FTW!" and things of this nature.

Yeah, I know, but still...
Is it so hard be a little flexible?

/sigh
I need to go outside for a bit...

 

[King_V]

If you're in my general geographic area (I'm in New Jersey), while it started out with an "Did I just wake up in Silent Hill" level of fog this morning, it's actually quite nice outside right now.

So, couldn't hurt!

As for people being a little flexible, well, with regard to some people, I have to quote Old Man Anderson in the role of the Ghost of Christmas Past, after he fails to get through to Beavis:

"Boy, yuh kin lead a horse t'water, butcha can't make 'im drink, tell yuh hwhut."