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Keith wrote:

> On Fri, 06 Aug 2004 18:05:18 +0200, Nudge wrote:
>
>
>>Keith wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Now Intel is slit right down the middle by AMD54.
>>
>>AMD54? Did AMD purchase a disco night club?
>
>
> LOL! No, there is something funky with this keyboard, but I can't put a
> finger on it (missed keystrokes, extra type-o-matics). There was supposed
> to be a 'p' in the "slit" there too. Maybe it's the Belkin KVM switch. I
> didn't have the problem with just one machine. Hmmm.

Belkin, huh? I found that I had problems with my Belkin KVM until I
bought the "optional" power supply. No more problems after that.

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In comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.chips Grumble <a@b.c> wrote:
> Keith,
> Do you realize that your words might be considered arrogant?

Keith was far less arrogant than the post to which he was
replying.

> Why would the whole world know about the American Constitution?

They wouldn't, which is why Keith thoughtfully included text.

> Do you know the first Article in the Universal Declaration
> of Human Rights? Do you know the first article in the
> Finnish Constitution, where assaarpa is apparently posting
> from? Do you know the first article in the forthcoming
> European Constitution?

Keith may be better read, but I certainly do not and would
expect included text. OTOH, I do take your word that these
documents exist and are important to some people.

> You cannot, and should not, expect people from a different
> country to know your culture better than you know theirs.

Not in evidence.

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Grumble wrote:
> IBM launched the original IBM PC, the IBM 5150, on August 12 1981.
> From the start, the IBM PC platform was an open architecture, and
> only a few months later, several clones had already appeared.
>
> As far as I can tell, comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.* has never discussed
> IBM's hardware exclusively. The topic has always been IBM PC
> compatible computer systems, i.e. computer systems based on the IBM
> PC platform.

Exactly right, and similarly, comp.sys.intel has never discussed Intel
processors exclusively. There has always been clones and compatibles
available, right from the NEC V20 (8088-compatible) to modern day AMD's and
Transmetas and Vias (though I guess the majority seems to interested in
mostly the Intels and AMDs).

Yousuf Khan

 

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> They wouldn't, which is why Keith thoughtfully included text.

I was just fooling around anyway. I do know the contents actually and it is
a good document and obviously not toilet paper like I (jokingly) claimed.
Just got a bit strange to use DOI as technical argument so for that it is as
good as toilet paper. 😉=

> Keith may be better read, but I certainly do not and would
> expect included text. OTOH, I do take your word that these
> documents exist and are important to some people.

They are important to nationalistic retards maybe, everyone who is up to the
game knows that the name of the game in the modern world is capitalism and
not respecting flags but capital and efficiency.

 

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In comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.chips assaarpa <redterminator@fap.net> wrote:
> They are important to nationalistic retards maybe,

This is unnecessarily inflammatory. Many peoples have good
reason to respect their national traditions and documents.

> everyone who is up to the game knows that the name of the
> game in the modern world is capitalism and not respecting
> flags but capital and efficiency.

This is simplistic. Capitalism is more a victim of it's
own success and is no longer as limited and rewarded as it
was 50 or 100 years ago. Huge sums are sloshing around in
the financial system looking for a good home.

What is limiting in the "developed" world is profitable
projects and even managerial competence to run current
enterprise. The "underdeveloped" world remains so from
fear of the many forms of expropriation.

-- Robert

 

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On Tue, 10 Aug 2004 11:44:49 -0400, Mike Smith wrote:

> Keith wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 06 Aug 2004 18:05:18 +0200, Nudge wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Keith wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Now Intel is slit right down the middle by AMD54.
>>>
>>>AMD54? Did AMD purchase a disco night club?
>>
>>
>> LOL! No, there is something funky with this keyboard, but I can't put a
>> finger on it (missed keystrokes, extra type-o-matics). There was supposed
>> to be a 'p' in the "slit" there too. Maybe it's the Belkin KVM switch. I
>> didn't have the problem with just one machine. Hmmm.
>
> Belkin, huh? I found that I had problems with my Belkin KVM until I
> bought the "optional" power supply. No more problems after that.

Umm, I think mine does have the "optional" power supply. It's that
wall-wart plugged into a green thingy inbetween the mouse and the KVM
mouse port no?

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On Tue, 10 Aug 2004 20:35:13 +0000, Robert Redelmeier wrote:

> In comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.chips assaarpa <redterminator@fap.net> wrote:
>> They are important to nationalistic retards maybe,
>
> This is unnecessarily inflammatory. Many peoples have good
> reason to respect their national traditions and documents.
>
>> everyone who is up to the game knows that the name of the
>> game in the modern world is capitalism and not respecting
>> flags but capital and efficiency.
>
> This is simplistic. Capitalism is more a victim of it's
> own success and is no longer as limited and rewarded as it
> was 50 or 100 years ago. Huge sums are sloshing around in
> the financial system looking for a good home.
>
> What is limiting in the "developed" world is profitable
> projects and even managerial competence to run current
> enterprise. The "underdeveloped" world remains so from
> fear of the many forms of expropriation.

A tad simplistic there yourself... Try on Bruce Bartlett's latest column
on why Europe is falling behind. Assman will love this...

http://www.townhall.com/columnists/brucebartlett/bb20040810.shtml

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On Tue, 10 Aug 2004 10:58:51 +0200, Grumble wrote:

> Yousuf Khan wrote:
>
>> Similarly, a group called comp.sys.IBM.PC.hardware is not limited to the
>> discussion of IBM products, let alone IBM PC products. In fact, very little
>> IBM products discussions actually ever goes on in this group. Again, at the
>> time the group was created, it seemed like a good description, but that
>> market has evolved since then.
>
> Yousuf,
>
> IBM launched the original IBM PC, the IBM 5150, on August 12 1981. From
> the start, the IBM PC platform was an open architecture, and only a few
> months later, several clones had already appeared.

MY, you do have a grasp of the obvious, eh?

> As far as I can tell, comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.* has never discussed
> IBM's hardware exclusively. The topic has always been IBM PC compatible
> computer systems, i.e. computer systems based on the IBM PC platform.

Of course not. It's always been about the platform, not the company.
Sure there are various asides into other architectures, though mostly in
comparison with the IBMPC.

> References:
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_PC_compatible
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_PC

Some of us were around then, and indeeeed in the business. We don't need
no seenkin' refreNCES! ;-)

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On Tue, 10 Aug 2004 23:08:06 -0400, Keith <krw@att.bizzzz> wrote:

>A tad simplistic there yourself... Try on Bruce Bartlett's latest column
>on why Europe is falling behind. Assman will love this...
>
>http://www.townhall.com/columnists/brucebartlett/bb20040810.shtml

Totally off topic, but personally I think I'll be quite happy to take
US$30K a year to work 5hrs a day. Another 550hrs just to get an
average of US$4K more a year, no thanks! 😛pPPpP

The only problem is Norway is probably too freezing for me and they
probably wouldn't want me anyway 😛PPpp

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On Tue, 10 Aug 2004 23:08:06 -0400, Keith <krw@att.bizzzz> wrote:

>On Tue, 10 Aug 2004 20:35:13 +0000, Robert Redelmeier wrote:
>
>> In comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.chips assaarpa <redterminator@fap.net> wrote:
>>> They are important to nationalistic retards maybe,
>>
>> This is unnecessarily inflammatory. Many peoples have good
>> reason to respect their national traditions and documents.
>>
>>> everyone who is up to the game knows that the name of the
>>> game in the modern world is capitalism and not respecting
>>> flags but capital and efficiency.
>>
>> This is simplistic. Capitalism is more a victim of it's
>> own success and is no longer as limited and rewarded as it
>> was 50 or 100 years ago. Huge sums are sloshing around in
>> the financial system looking for a good home.
>>
>> What is limiting in the "developed" world is profitable
>> projects and even managerial competence to run current
>> enterprise. The "underdeveloped" world remains so from
>> fear of the many forms of expropriation.
>
>A tad simplistic there yourself... Try on Bruce Bartlett's latest column
>on why Europe is falling behind. Assman will love this...
>
>http://www.townhall.com/columnists/brucebartlett/bb20040810.shtml

While I agree with you in general and IMO Europe is poised for much
turmoil... economic, social and political, there is one point in that
article which really grates with me: "living standards are much lower in
Europe than most Americans imagine", followed by notes on "living space",
followed by a ridiculous, broad statement that "Europeans only live about
as well as those in the poorest American state, Mississippi". This is
utter unadulterated, ignorant Ameri-flag-waving bullshit... talk about
"simplistic"!!!

In fact the *real* poor in the U.S. are obscenely worse off than their Euro
counterparts; Europeans do not measure affluence by the square err, metre
of living space and IME their productive working middle class actually live
better in many respects than their U.S. equivalents. People in the two
different societies simply have different priorities based on many
criteria... with a slight economic balance in favor of the U.S.

Rgds, George Macdonald

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Keith wrote:

> On Tue, 10 Aug 2004 11:44:49 -0400, Mike Smith wrote:
>>
>>Belkin, huh? I found that I had problems with my Belkin KVM until I
>>bought the "optional" power supply. No more problems after that.
>
>
> Umm, I think mine does have the "optional" power supply. It's that
> wall-wart plugged into a green thingy inbetween the mouse and the KVM
> mouse port no?

No, I've got a wall-wart that plugs directly into the KVM box itself.
It didn't come with the box, and was indicated as "optional", but I
would from time to time have weird problems, loss of control, trouble
booting, etc. until I went and got the power supply.

--
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> http://www.townhall.com/columnists/brucebartlett/bb20040810.shtml
>
> A tad simplistic there yourself... Try on Bruce Bartlett's latest column
> on why Europe is falling behind. Assman will love this...

Looks correct to me! Capital doesn't have home countries.. if Europe drops
more behind USA it is good for Europe because investment will be feasible to
do here, labour is still too expensive here compared to many other
developing places (let's face it Europe is a 3rd world dump!) Everywhere I
go is opportunity not lack of one so USA and Europe among other places on
the world are all the same for me..

 

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In comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.chips Keith <krw@att.bizzzz> wrote:
> A tad simplistic there yourself...

Of course I'm a bit simplistic, I have to be brief.

> Try on Bruce Bartlett's latest column on why Europe is
> falling behind. Assman will love this...
> http://www.townhall.com/columnists/brucebartlett/bb20040810.shtml

Interesting, but not really about capitalism. More about
the pernicious effects of "progressive" income taxes.
Of course Europeans work less hours with 60-70% marginal
tax rates, the govt pays for 2/3 of the time off!

The US was in the same place until Ronnie Reagan pushed
tax cuts in the 1980s, reviving the economy.

What must be galling to Europeans (especially those who were
once world-dominant) is that 300 years ago there was nothing
to North America and even 100 years ago it was definitely
inferior. Now we've passed them in many measures. Some envy
is automatic. Let us be magnanimus in victory.

-- Robert


>

 

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"Judd" <IhateSpam@stopspam.com> writes:

> The Intel haters and AMD lovers should post to that group rather than
> flooding comp.sys.intel with propoganda. It's to the point now where you
> can't talk nor get any information on Intel processors and architecture
> without the constant bashing. There should be a
> comp.religious.processor.wars or something more suitable for that stuff.

Would you be so kind to give me the exact name of that group, and
possibly a link to a newsfeed that carries it? I can't find any group
even close to that name at my newsfeed, nor in google's news archive.

Thanks,


Kai

 

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Mike Smith wrote:
>
> Keith wrote:
>
> > On Tue, 10 Aug 2004 11:44:49 -0400, Mike Smith wrote:
> >>
> >>Belkin, huh? I found that I had problems with my Belkin KVM until I
> >>bought the "optional" power supply. No more problems after that.
> >
> >
> > Umm, I think mine does have the "optional" power supply. It's that
> > wall-wart plugged into a green thingy inbetween the mouse and the KVM
> > mouse port no?
>
> No, I've got a wall-wart that plugs directly into the KVM box itself.
> It didn't come with the box, and was indicated as "optional", but I
> would from time to time have weird problems, loss of control, trouble
> booting, etc. until I went and got the power supply.

The only problem I have with my KVM is that the XP computer require twice
booting if I don't use the power plug. First time the mouse doesn't work,
second time it's OK, and once it's in use I can unplug the power. It's
always the same; presumably the mouse relies on a charged capacitor
powered by the keyboard.

The KVM is called 'SMART VIEW', 'INTELLIGENT KVM SWITCH IC-712-I' !
You would expect it to be clever with such an aspiring name?

 

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George Macdonald wrote:
>
> On Tue, 10 Aug 2004 23:08:06 -0400, Keith <krw@att.bizzzz> wrote:
>
> >On Tue, 10 Aug 2004 20:35:13 +0000, Robert Redelmeier wrote:
> >
> >> In comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.chips assaarpa <redterminator@fap.net> wrote:
> >>> They are important to nationalistic retards maybe,
> >>
> >> This is unnecessarily inflammatory. Many peoples have good
> >> reason to respect their national traditions and documents.
> >>
> >>> everyone who is up to the game knows that the name of the
> >>> game in the modern world is capitalism and not respecting
> >>> flags but capital and efficiency.
> >>
> >> This is simplistic. Capitalism is more a victim of it's
> >> own success and is no longer as limited and rewarded as it
> >> was 50 or 100 years ago. Huge sums are sloshing around in
> >> the financial system looking for a good home.
> >>
> >> What is limiting in the "developed" world is profitable
> >> projects and even managerial competence to run current
> >> enterprise. The "underdeveloped" world remains so from
> >> fear of the many forms of expropriation.
> >
> >A tad simplistic there yourself... Try on Bruce Bartlett's latest column
> >on why Europe is falling behind. Assman will love this...
> >
> >http://www.townhall.com/columnists/brucebartlett/bb20040810.shtml
>
> While I agree with you in general and IMO Europe is poised for much
> turmoil... economic, social and political, there is one point in that
> article which really grates with me: "living standards are much lower in
> Europe than most Americans imagine", followed by notes on "living space",
> followed by a ridiculous, broad statement that "Europeans only live about
> as well as those in the poorest American state, Mississippi". This is
> utter unadulterated, ignorant Ameri-flag-waving bullshit... talk about
> "simplistic"!!!

The huge difference is that Europe is hardly a homogeneous unit like the US.
There are 10-20 different languages, different cultures, different rules,
prosperous rich countries and poor ones. Countries with very high and very
low population densities. It must be a statistician's heaven since he can
always find what he's looking for.

 

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Johannes H Andersen wrote:

>
> George Macdonald wrote:
>>While I agree with you in general and IMO Europe is poised for much
>>turmoil... economic, social and political, there is one point in that
>>article which really grates with me: "living standards are much lower in
>>Europe than most Americans imagine", followed by notes on "living space",
>>followed by a ridiculous, broad statement that "Europeans only live about
>>as well as those in the poorest American state, Mississippi". This is
>>utter unadulterated, ignorant Ameri-flag-waving bullshit... talk about
>>"simplistic"!!!
>
>
> The huge difference is that Europe is hardly a homogeneous unit like the US.

Haven't been to the USA lately, have you ? The USA is about as
homogeneous as the colours of a rainbow. As an occasional
visitor from Canada to the US, I find the diversity astounding.
Major subcultures that stand out to me include blacks, whites,
latins, Jewish, Chinese, Indian, Arab - and then all of those
have their own subcultures.

Consider, in particular, that each EEC country (and many
non-EEC countries) has a corresponding subculture within the US.

> There are 10-20 different languages, different cultures, different rules,
> prosperous rich countries and poor ones. Countries with very high and very
> low population densities. It must be a statistician's heaven since he can
> always find what he's looking for.

Many American states are comparable to European countries both
in terms of size and population. You can find almost as much
diversity between American states as between EEC countries.

 

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In comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.chips Johannes H Andersen wrote:
> The huge difference is that Europe is hardly a homogeneous
> unit like the US.

The US is not as homogeneous as outsiders think. There are
large differences between New Yorkers and Californians.
Large differences between Boston and Houston. Divided by
a common language.

There are also a lot of similarities between Europeans --
a certain conservative, classed, worried-about-change,
protective mentality. North and south. Latin and teuton.

-- Robert

 

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On Wed, 11 Aug 2004 11:47:19 -0400, Mike Smith wrote:

> Keith wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 10 Aug 2004 11:44:49 -0400, Mike Smith wrote:
>>>
>>>Belkin, huh? I found that I had problems with my Belkin KVM until I
>>>bought the "optional" power supply. No more problems after that.
>>
>>
>> Umm, I think mine does have the "optional" power supply. It's that
>> wall-wart plugged into a green thingy inbetween the mouse and the KVM
>> mouse port no?
>
> No, I've got a wall-wart that plugs directly into the KVM box itself.
> It didn't come with the box, and was indicated as "optional", but I
> would from time to time have weird problems, loss of control, trouble
> booting, etc. until I went and got the power supply.

Strange. There is no other place to plug in a power adapter. Perhaps
they've found the problem and have since changed designs.

--
Keith

 

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On Wed, 11 Aug 2004 18:20:49 +0000, Robert Redelmeier wrote:

> In comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.chips Keith <krw@att.bizzzz> wrote:
>> A tad simplistic there yourself...
>
> Of course I'm a bit simplistic, I have to be brief.

I thought you were a boxer type. ;-)

>> Try on Bruce Bartlett's latest column on why Europe is
>> falling behind. Assman will love this...
>> http://www.townhall.com/columnists/brucebartlett/bb20040810.shtml
>
> Interesting, but not really about capitalism. More about
> the pernicious effects of "progressive" income taxes.
> Of course Europeans work less hours with 60-70% marginal
> tax rates, the govt pays for 2/3 of the time off!

....and agressive progressive income taxes somehow foster capitalism?
Hell, I don't go out of my way for more money because *our* government(s)
take way too much of it now. I may retire soon and just play that game.
....maybe work a few months a year. Productive use of my talents? No, but
neither is working for notin' ...which was *exactly* Bartlet's point.

> The US was in the same place until Ronnie Reagan pushed
> tax cuts in the 1980s, reviving the economy.

And JFK in '60 and GWB in '92 (though that really hasn't happened yet).

> What must be galling to Europeans (especially those who were
> once world-dominant) is that 300 years ago there was nothing
> to North America and even 100 years ago it was definitely
> inferior. Now we've passed them in many measures. Some envy
> is automatic. Let us be magnanimus in victory.

Magnamimus? Why, so they can continue to rub our noses in their
inferriority? BAH!

--
Keith

 

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On Wed, 11 Aug 2004 08:59:50 -0400, George Macdonald wrote:

> On Tue, 10 Aug 2004 23:08:06 -0400, Keith <krw@att.bizzzz> wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 10 Aug 2004 20:35:13 +0000, Robert Redelmeier wrote:
>>
>>> In comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.chips assaarpa <redterminator@fap.net> wrote:
>>>> They are important to nationalistic retards maybe,
>>>
>>> This is unnecessarily inflammatory. Many peoples have good
>>> reason to respect their national traditions and documents.
>>>
>>>> everyone who is up to the game knows that the name of the
>>>> game in the modern world is capitalism and not respecting
>>>> flags but capital and efficiency.
>>>
>>> This is simplistic. Capitalism is more a victim of it's
>>> own success and is no longer as limited and rewarded as it
>>> was 50 or 100 years ago. Huge sums are sloshing around in
>>> the financial system looking for a good home.
>>>
>>> What is limiting in the "developed" world is profitable
>>> projects and even managerial competence to run current
>>> enterprise. The "underdeveloped" world remains so from
>>> fear of the many forms of expropriation.
>>
>>A tad simplistic there yourself... Try on Bruce Bartlett's latest column
>>on why Europe is falling behind. Assman will love this...
>>
>>http://www.townhall.com/columnists/brucebartlett/bb20040810.shtml
>
> While I agree with you in general and IMO Europe is poised for much
> turmoil... economic, social and political, there is one point in that
> article which really grates with me: "living standards are much lower in
> Europe than most Americans imagine",

Read that quote again. ...particularly the last two words. The point is,
we don't want to follow the Europeans down that road (for example) because
we do not *want* to live in a cracker box. I rather enjoy my modest 1800
sq.ft. 3BR, 2.5B home, now that there are only two of us. I don't want to
go back to a 800' flat.

> followed by notes on "living space",
> followed by a ridiculous, broad statement that "Europeans only live about
> as well as those in the poorest American state, Mississippi". This is
> utter unadulterated, ignorant Ameri-flag-waving bullshit... talk about
> "simplistic"!!!

Read it again. He stated the comparison metrics (or at least body that
did the comparison). I don't think I buy it all, but he does have a
point. I certainly don't want to follow Europe down the Socialism path!
Indeed, I'm ready to move because this state is already gone too far down
that path. A local legislator had a piece in the paper Tuesday showing
that a "typical" person with a $35K income paid almost $9K in taxes (not
including property tax, which *is* paid indirectly through rent).

> In fact the *real* poor in the U.S. are obscenely worse off than their
> Euro counterparts;

Explain. ...and why do the "*real*" poor deserve anythign from the sweat
of those wh aren't "*real*" poor.

Europeans do not measure affluence by the square err,

Apparently not. They seem to measure it by what the government (read
those who do work) will do for tham. Bah!

> metre of living space and IME their productive working middle class
> actually live better in many respects than their U.S. equivalents.

How so? ...because they have "free" medical programs?

> People in the two different societies simply have different priorities
> based on many criteria... with a slight economic balance in favor of the
> U.S.

Slight? Freedom to choose one's own destiny isn't ib any way "slight"!
The amazing thing is that with our piss-poor school system we're going
anywhere. Europe must be in real trouble, if you think there is even a
"slight" difference. Yes, I think they're in for a *disaster*. ...and
some here want to follow.

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On Wed, 11 Aug 2004 21:15:42 +0000, Robert Redelmeier wrote:

> In comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.chips Johannes H Andersen wrote:
>> The huge difference is that Europe is hardly a homogeneous
>> unit like the US.
>
> The US is not as homogeneous as outsiders think. There are
> large differences between New Yorkers and Californians.
> Large differences between Boston and Houston. Divided by
> a common language.

Which, French and Spanish? ...oh, you said Boston. That would be Irish
and Spanish.
>
> There are also a lot of similarities between Europeans -- a certain
> conservative, classed, worried-about-change, protective mentality.
> North and south. Latin and teuton.

....the same divided by a different language? ;-)

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On Wed, 11 Aug 2004 03:45:10 +0000, The little lost angel wrote:

> On Tue, 10 Aug 2004 23:08:06 -0400, Keith <krw@att.bizzzz> wrote:
>
>>A tad simplistic there yourself... Try on Bruce Bartlett's latest column
>>on why Europe is falling behind. Assman will love this...
>>
>>http://www.townhall.com/columnists/brucebartlett/bb20040810.shtml
>
> Totally off topic, but personally I think I'll be quite happy to take
> US$30K a year to work 5hrs a day. Another 550hrs just to get an
> average of US$4K more a year, no thanks! 😛pPPpP

Compound that difference over a lifetime... BTW, I don't work those 550
hours for $4K either. ;-)

> The only problem is Norway is probably too freezing for me and they
> probably wouldn't want me anyway 😛PPpp

Why? Their loss! If they don't want you, you're welcome to come freeze
here. ;-)

--
Keith

 

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In comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.chips Keith <krw@att.bizzzz> wrote:
> I thought you were a boxer type. ;-)

Nope. Secure for action

> ...and agressive progressive income taxes somehow foster capitalism?

Paradoxically, they might. High marginal taxes inhibit savings
which favors pre-existing fortunes. Capital is short and gets
high returns. Don't confuse capitalism with a free market economy.

> neither is working for notin' ...which was *exactly* Bartlet's point.

clearly.

> And JFK in '60 and GWB in '92 (though that really hasn't happened yet).

Interesting. I didn't know about JFK.

> Magnamimus? Why, so they can continue to rub our noses in
> their inferriority? BAH!

Oh, but it's so petty and obvious.

-- Robert

 

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Rob Stow wrote:
> Many American states are comparable to European countries both
> in terms of size and population. You can find almost as much
> diversity between American states as between EEC countries.

I think that's probably overstating the case considerably. There's nothing
more cohesive than having a common language throughout the country --
English in this case. The Europeans don't have this advantage at all. Yes,
one can make a case that Spanish is becoming a second language within
America, but it's still just a second language. Europeans don't have just a
second language to deal with, but sometimes a third or fourth language even
within each small region.

Europe, if it ever hopes to become a single united country of its own, will
have more in common with India than America. India has 15 official
languages. They've chosen English as the official language of commerce, just
to talk to each other within regions. Europeans are probably headed in the
same direction.

Yousuf Khan