AMD starting to rebound? (technically if not yet financially)

[TechnologyCoordinator]

no actually its theinquirer, even better lol

LOL.

I actually edited my comment about Fudzilla after you posted the Inq link.

 

[turpit]

AMD will rebound. They are getting lots of product on the market this year besides graphics cards, chipsets and cpu's. Those products will eventually start bringing in profits.

Absolutely correct......just like they got lots of new, profitable products on the market last year:
QFX...............Q107
Brisbane.........Q107
Barcelona.......Q307
Phenom..........Q407

I dont know if AMD can survive another year of 'new' products. Given their current success rate with 'new' products, I would think they need to concentrate on fixing their current products before contemplating more new stuff.

 

[TechnologyCoordinator]

Turpit,

Barcelona still isn't launched. Only select customers that aren't affected by TLB are getting it. That doesn't qualify as a launch.

 

[mahoumatic]

Rebound? or just ordinary operation that you think it is a rebound?

They should have the XFire driver ready much sooner than Jan08...
They should have fix the TLB errata problem before the release of
Phenom...
They should have something in middle class as 3850/3870 at the time
they released HD 2900...

I would say AMD is working hard on fix the problem in past that they
should have been fixed, in order not to be working badly financially and
being purchased by someone like NVIDIA or Motorola...

What should a rebound of AMD be like?
-> announce of R700 with the H1 of 2008
-> announce of K11 or something like that, at least with a detailed
scheduled date of release
-> announce of a confirmed release day of fusion platform before Q2 2009
-> more detail of future development of AMD, in whatever way

With what we see now, I just see that AMD is trying to stand up with
whatever it have on hand, well, very hardly...
A rebound? at least at the day AMD have any future plan which is
technically competitive...

 

[spoonboy]

"They should have something in middle class as 3850/3870 at the time
they released HD 2900..." nvidia pulled that trick too btw. The value/performance midrange dissappeared for a time when the first generation dx10 cards came out

 

[turpit]

Turpit,

Barcelona still isn't launched. Only select customers that aren't affected by TLB are getting it. That doesn't qualify as a launch.

They launched it, then put a stop ship on it to anyone but qualified customers. Qualifies as a launch AFAIC. The boat sailed....that it started sinking when came off the rails and hit the water is moot....it couldnt have started sinking if they didnt put it in the water.

 

[yomamafor1]

No i can vouch for this, this was on an earlier thread. I posted some links about this, think it was fudzilla or someone. Not the best source but often one of the very very few. Think the thread was 'b3 going swimmingly' or something.

It was from theInq, and from the ultimate spinboy Charlie Demerjian.

I would think twice before even considering its validity.

 

[yomamafor1]

So if I understand you... you are claiming that if they keep adding cache and it keeps adding speed... showing that their cache mechanism isn't really working like a cache... it is not a design flaw but a design goal.

Adding cache is not a design goal, but more like part of the FSB architecture. Intel needs to use larger cache to hide the latency and lower bandwidth offered by FSB. So far they're doing very good.

I must surmise that people don't care about any penalty they may pay to get more speed by using a possibly faulty cache system. It seems some people think it is just better to focus on any gain and ignore any consequences.

I personally think it is a bad idea and it will end up coming back to bite them. Perhaps they should redesign their architecture; they can continue adding cache to milk their current architecture until the new one is available.

The new one is scheduled to come out in Q408. I would personally speculate it would be pushed back to Q109, but I'm sure ryman has more information regarding this matter.

But then what do I know about anything? I do happen to remember that I was running a dual CPU system almost 8 years ago and everyone told me there was absolutely no advantage of any kind for doing this on a desktop system. They also told me that a single CPU system with a faster CPU would run benchmarks better. Back then both viewpoints were "correct". Which one was "better"?

EDIT: BTW -- I bring up my old dual cpu system because I saw the exact same arguments back then. "My single faster CPU benchmarks better than your dual CPU system. So mine is better." Nothing I could say would convince them that there were advantages beyond the (then existing) benchmarks. Flash forward: It's the SAME CONVERSATION now.

Its the same conversation for some people, and a lot different for others. I'm not going to fork out 300 bucks to get a quad if all I do is surf and game. For me, the question is more of a "what good does it do for me" than "oh look I can extra 300 points on 3DMark". I'm sure this also applies to others.

 

[wolverinero79]

Ah, the fun debate of does a paper launch (or if you want to call it a launch/recall) qualify as an actual launch. I can see both sides of the argument.

I think what one of our favorite AMD fans is saying is that the failed AMD products of H2 2007 might get fixed and actually start selling in volume in 2008. I don't think Mrs B. is trying to claim that AMD will have any new products this year that we weren't already hoping for last year - because that would just be silly.

I'm sure Intel loves the ability to troubleshoot Nehalem more. Maybe the first stepping released of Nehalem will be like a G0 .

 

[mahoumatic]

"They should have something in middle class as 3850/3870 at the time
they released HD 2900..." nvidia pulled that trick too btw. The value/performance midrange dissappeared for a time when the first generation dx10 cards came out

Well, there were 2 reasons why NVIDIA pulled the trick:
- AMD were not even been able to push something which can out-perform 8800GTX (not to say Ultra),
NVIDIA no reason that push something to compet with itself...
- 1st generation DX10 card actually perform badly in DX10 game at the 17" LCD native resolution at the time.
NVIDIA had no reason to push out some sub-USD200 display card with bad performance at 1280 x 1024,
which the market would think the card should be able to handle, in order not to be blamed by the market...
(actually NVIDIA should be able to push something quickly if AMD were pushing it hardly with something like
HD 2700/2950, just an architecture/die shrink or another slower clock version which can be produced at low cost
and working with cheap heat-sink solution. They had done the trick at the time with FX5200/5600, which perform
badly on DirectX 9, with the same trick...they just don't have to at the time...)

 

[dario77]

Gee ... even tho I am an AMD fanboi I am not talking up stuff anymore and getting disappointed again.

When they deliver my faith will be restored.

Till then I'll hope in silence.

exactly. *sigh*

i hesitate to be encouraged, too. and resisting that temptation, to cry "here we goooooooo!" and strut, is almost as painful as the blows to our trust have been for the last almost two years.
i think i just got a step closer to understanding emo music.
kill me.

 

[grieve]

When they deliver my faith will be restored.

I Agree 100%

 

[ryman554]

The new one is scheduled to come out in Q408. I would personally speculate it would be pushed back to Q109, but I'm sure ryman has more information regarding this matter.

Even if I had information, I would not comment on future products except in the vaguest of ways. Sorry!

 

[Mandrake_]

AMD 45nm is out in 2009, not 2008 - this is straight from AMD's CTO.

He also said that AMD is on schedule to come out with its 45-nanometer manufacturing process in 2009 as well.

http://www.mercextra.com/blogs/taka...sday-experiencemeeting-with-amds-phil-hester/

 

[weskurtz81]

Turpit,

Barcelona still isn't launched. Only select customers that aren't affected by TLB are getting it. That doesn't qualify as a launch.

If you can buy it, I would say it's launched.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103244

Edit: and just in case you guys aren't aware, AMD did better than expected on the 4th quarter earnings reports.

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=conewsstory&refer=conews&tkr=AMD:US&sid=aunj7V3gw5JM

 

[Mandrake_]

That's a link to a Phenom processor, not a Barcelona processor.

The 'launch' was last September and to this date you still can't buy a server with Barcelona processors in it from Dell, HP, Sun, IBM etc.

 

[weskurtz81]

Ahh, yes.... Barcy.

That's my bad. However, they did state they were shipping to select customers who were not going to be using virtualization. So, supposedly they are shipping the barcy chips, but not many atm.

Edit: just looked on google products, you can buy some there. Here are some links.

http://www.8anet.com/merchant.ihtml?pid=4842&step=4
http://www.supplysale.com/Item.aspx?sku=00387121OP&sgd=330d317d318d317d315

Yeah, it's a whole 2 places that I have never heard of. But, they are there, take it with a grain of salt.