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The single thread score is very good for a 1.4Ghz CPU without boost.
It is a +110% referred to a 8640U (3.5/4.9 Ghz).
Something wrong here ?

Strix Point single-core of 1,217 points.
Ryzen 5 8640U over 2,000 points in the single-core

1217 : 1.4 = x : 3.5 -> 3042 -> +50%
1217 : 1.4 = x : 4.9 -> 4260 -> +110%
its like the article is trying to throw shade at AMD for no actual reason, the main point and real cause of the "lower" score is just the clocks of an early ES, yet the article makes it look like Strix its a complete disappointment and a "underwhelming" new Gen, i really dont get it, how TH allowed this article to be published in this "line" of argument.
 
not even zen3 2020 vs 2021 ADL but Zen 2, amazing apples to dried seeds comparison, perf curve has been enhanced with Z3 and Z4, even if intel still retains the higher perf at higher power, and AMD still tops out earlier, but this has nothing to do with mobile or servers (were top power capabilities are never reached in any meaningful manner), only for top desktop parts. Nothing indicates this should not see improvements with Z5.
Assume the alleged 15% IPC +3-5% clocks, at similar (+/- 1-3% power) vs current Z4, so anything between +18-30% ST perf, and 25-40% MT perf uplift at similar ISO power (highly dependent on the workloads)
That depends on if "the curve" is more linear or more curved.
If you look at older zen they scale very well in the start but then level out and don't get much faster no matter how much power you provide to them.
We will have to see how much better the new cores are.

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not even zen3 2020 vs 2021 ADL but Zen 2, amazing apples to dried seeds comparison, perf curve has been enhanced with Z3 and Z4,
Great! Show us a newer graph.
This is the newest that I know of, so this is the one I showed, also it's only to show that performance does not scale linearly and not to try and convince you that the new chip will be the same as the old.
You didn't even cut it out of the part you quoted, I did say "We will have to see how much better the new cores are."
Assume the alleged 15% IPC +3-5% clocks, at similar (+/- 1-3% power) vs current Z4, so anything between +18-30% ST perf, and 25-40% MT perf uplift at similar ISO power (highly dependent on the workloads)
Yeah, intel also told us about 50% more MT performance at iso power, and it's even real but in the end only the max performance counts for reviewers.
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there are newer graphs, specially in the meteorlake launch/14900 articles, just search for it, on an 8 core mobile amd curves starts flatting out after 40-45w while intel keeps going to 55-65W (and isn't as drastic as AMD's) maybe IF is bottlenecking current top speed, cant say for sure.
also "i didnt cut it out"??, i think i did quite well, also my jab wasn't strictly directed at you but at Chipsandcheese arbitrary gen choosing..., which often end in this "disputes" because they for some "weird" reason choose not to compare current v current Gen HW but very old from a ODM to latest from another ODM.
You want graphs, 2 guesses, 1 HardwareCanucks review of MTL, and GN review of 14000/MTL, in one of those there's a power scaling/perf graph, with current RTL/Z4, the graph you pulled are from 2022 with 2021/2019 CPU gens, a little outdated.
Great! Show us a newer graph.
This is the newest that I know of, so this is the one I showed, also it's only to show that performance does not scale linearly and not to try and convince you that the new chip will be the same as the old.
You didn't even cut it out of the part you quoted, I did say "We will have to see how much better the new cores are."

Yeah, intel also told us about 50% more MT performance at iso power, and it's even real but in the end only the max performance counts for reviewers.
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You have a problem with the graph that I showed so you search for it and if you find it I will use the new one from now on.
im too lazy to go search a graph from a vid just to rectify/update yours with a more evenly matched one, im just letting you know there are newer ones, plus i find odd the choices chipsandcheese made for that article, thats all.
All this to state that current/future AMD uarch scale better/farther with more power than Zen2 from 2019, while still not scaling as much as intel, but still offering far better peak perf/watt (at least in non ASIC MT workloads), and again mobile parts, specially low power ones (under 45w at least from AMD) wont get past the clock/w curve, 55-65W and up for 8 core parts can grace it. And in the end it all goes to ST perf, were is not only the curve but the IPC+IMC+cache+workload optimization+plus microseconds ultra extreme eternal turbo boosts, etc etc etc
 
70 TOPS ? Wrong. You must be joking. It's thrice the performance improvement btw, not twice.

The "TOTAL" TOPS value is a different story though.

As per AMD, XDNA 2 NPU is expected to introduce an over 3 times improvement in performance over the first generation XDNA NPU powering the Ryzen 7040 series "Phoenix" processor.

"Phoenix" offers 10 TOPS of NPU performance, so if AMD mentions an "over 3 times" performance improvement, this would put this figure at roughly 32 TOPS for "Strix Point."

Also, 8040 "Hawk Point" APUs offer up to 16 TOPs of performance, a 3x improvement with Ryzen "Strix Point" APUs means that we could be looking at up to 48 TOPs of AI performance, give or take.



Not entirely correct. The core counts with Strix Point won't see a VERY huge upgrade though. Do you make up your own story while writing articles?

Btw, these are Geekbench 5 entries, and not GB 6 as the article mentions.
100% this
 
Some STRIX POINT Laptops Models leaked early by ASUS, via ITHOME. I'm pretty sure some of these models contain the monolithic high-end 12 cores Zen5/5c chips sporting at least 16 CUs.

https://www.ithome.com/0/766/134.htm


W models are "Strix Point" APUs, while U variants represent the Ryzen "Hawk Point" APUs.

ASUS ROG Zephyrus G16 (AMD Edition)
  • GA605WU: Strix Point + RTX 4050
  • GA605WV: Strix Point + RTX 4060
  • GA605WI: Strix Point + RTX 4070
ASUS TUF Gaming (A14 Series)
  • FA401WU: Strix Point + RTX 4050
  • FA401WV: Strix Point + RTX 4060
  • FA401WI: Strix Point + RTX 4070
  • FA401UU: Hawk Point + RTX 4050
  • FA401UV: Hawk Point + RTX 4060
  • FA401UI: Hawk Point + RTX 4070
ASUS TUF Gaming (A16 Series)
  • FA608WU: Strix Point + RTX 4050
  • FA608WV: Strix Point + RTX 4060
  • FA608WI: Strix Point + RTX 4070
ASUS Creator ProArt P16
  • M7606WU: Strix Point + RTX 4050
  • M7606WV: Strix Point + RTX 4060
ASUS Creator ProArt X13
  • HN7306WU: Strix Point + RTX 4050
  • HN7306WV: Strix Point + RTX 4060
  • HN7306WI: Strix Point + RTX 4070