GF = Global Foundries, not Graphics. The switch to GF has taken a lot on top of the huge purchase of ATI thus they don't have the resources to pump out a new stepping every 3-4 months like Intel.
TechnologyCoordinator :
Your point is wrong though. If someone has money to waste and they don't mind paying a price premium for the best parts, then why not! Keep in mind that people used to by the AMD FX parts for these huge price premiums. If money isn't an issue for a person, why be limited to something that isn't the best. For the rest of us who have less discretionary income we have to choose wisely, which usually is between AMD and Intel in the sub $250 range, because both companies make great products in that range.
As for your headroom argument. Yes, they both top out just under 4 ghz.
The difference?
The i5 750's stock frequency is 2.66
The Phenom II 965's stock frequency is 3.4
The i5's are getting 46% overclocks.
The Phenom 965's are getting 14% overclocks.
Why the big difference? Because Intel has WAY more headroom than AMD does!
That's a huge difference. Looking at the overclock frequency without looking at the stock frequency is an error in your logic.
NO!!!! DO NOT MENTION THE FX SERIES!!!!!! IT COMPLETELY DISPROVES ANY POINT!!!!
I find it funny how whenever anyone mentions the FX series of CPUs and when AMDs Athlon 64/X2 series was priced like Intels Core i5/i7 line is they seem to ignore it.
I think it may be that they want to think of AMD as the budget savior and that AMD would never price gouge us....... oh wait:
Well.... AMD Athlon FX-74 same price as a Intels quad core. Over $1K. But AMD is our champion and would never make prices this high!!!!!
People need to remember that AMD is a business. Do they care about you? No. Do they care that you have little money? Well yes but its only so they can take that money.
Oh and the QX6700 was cheaper than the FX-74 setup yet it performed better stock vs stock, clock vs clock and when OCed.
JAYDEEJOHN :
Only thing is, Intels "fusion" wont be what they really are trying to do, nor will/should have in 20011 or so, so its a halfbaked scenario, or, itll be in trouble by 2011 or so
No Intels solution wont be the same as AMDs. But it will bring a cheap, low power alternative for people looking for it. Much like their current IGPs. Then when they have LRB down I am sure they will put that.
What it means is Intel will be on the forefront of a SoC much like they were witn timna (Well for x86 anyways).
jennyh :
Why are intel wasting time on larrabee anyway? Has anybody actually sat down and asked why intel are doing this instead of just doing what AMD are doing instead?
Why do intel need gpgpu when they already have cpu's and gpu's (kind of). Sometimes I wonder if nvidia spooked intel or it was the other way around.
Because we all know that if Intel bought nVidia, we all know that the EU would accuse Intel of unfair practices and that they are making it hard for consumer or something to find another reason to fine them over a billion and stuff their pockets.
Intel has been working LRB for a while. It wasn't a last minute idea. If you look at Intel they already make pretty much everything fro a PC sans the disk drive and RAM. It was only a matter of time for them to get into (true) GPUs.
someguy7 :
Let me dumb this down. If you're a not a AMDzoner, you're an Intel fanboy. Thats the bottom line with those loons.
Bingo.
keithlm :
The original "native" AMD quad core design was not a failure as you are so quick to advocate in your post. It might not have been as successful as the company would have hoped but it was far from a failure. In truth AMD released a native quad core that was generally fairly close to the speed of the older Intel chips when compared clock per clock. That is actually pretty good engineering considering they released a brand new architecture to compete with an older architecture that had been through several steppings.
But of course you and your ilk don't like somebody pointing that out since it ruins your main point and makes the rest of your post useless. But that's okay because anyone that would accept your logic without considering the facts would not be extremely intelligent. (As the original poster has attempted to mention. Of course he probably didn't want his own logic used against him but oh well.) You and other "unbiased" posters might want to pretend that you live in a different reality because you are ego involved, but that doesn't actually change the truth.
AND: what really gets you guys angry is that many people won't blindly share your opinions. That really makes you crazy. You can't and won't concede that people analyze benchmarks and can come up with completely different conclusions; what some people call "destroying", "smoking", "pwning", etc. is viewed by many people as actually being basically the same result. But you don't see it that way and so you must attempt to force your opinion on everyone else. Therefore you and your horde of "unbiased" posters attempt to deride and ridicule anyone that doesn't join your club and completely agree with your opinions. It's actually pretty sad. But it does provide hours of enjoyment wondering what kind of tripe you guys are going to come up with next.
Funniest thing is that this wasn't a AMD vs Intel superiority thread. In fact it was a informative thread posting a lot of facts supporting his point. And I have been to AMDFanzone. Not for the middleman or non AMD lover.
As for Barcy, it was a fialure considering that they had to do a stop ship and recall on their bread and butter server market chips. Sure the desktop chips were safe but unable to clock near Intels top end or even OC. Was it a full failure? No. But it sure as hell wasn't a success.
BTW, if you don't like it here and we are so "biased", evil and so on why do you keep coming back? Its awlays the same. BTW, nice way of pretty much derailing the thread over performance instead of the OP.
Worf101 :
Well after the surfing this thread the one thing that's obvious to me is thta the OP really has a beef with guys over at AMDZone. I guess he posted over there, got the ban hammer and came here to pick a fight, fine. I'm a Ford lover, I've a 1956 Ford Thunderbird sitting in my garage, I DON"T take it to Chevy or Mopar shows. I don't go round looking for a fight, I'd probably find it. Back in the 50's the saying was "Ford sold safety, Chevy sold cars". And they were right. GM had Ford beat 6 ways to Sunday in style, horspower, sales, you name it. But that didn't stop people from buying and running Fords. You love what you love. But things change over time, look at both company's today. Still I don't expect people to stop buying Chevy's
AMD, for a moment was on top, Ruiz and Co. along with the Intel Black Bag Group, ruined a good thing, now Intel's top dog. But as my Dad said "fightin' is in rounds". Just because Intel's offerings are faster and more powerful doesn't mean that AMD's product line is total crap and people aren't buying them at all or that they can't regain some measure of technological parity, just takes time is all.
Da Worfster
I would be pissed too if I made a thread at one site and they didn't like it thus banhammer.
but his post is an interesting one because it also applies here. A lot of those claims go around here a lot. Most of us know about DEC and their Alpha chip. I didn't know Intel owned the IP of Alpha though. That was a new one to me. I know Intel had plenty of production IMC based x86 CPUs.
But a lot of people wont count them because Intel moved to try something else.
someguy7 :
If Phenom was generally close to core2 clock for clock then netburst was generally close to k8 clock for clock.
Lol......
Thats funny..... Netburst close to K8.......
While I didn't hate my P4 system, I knew that K8 was better. K7 was so-so but K8 was better.
And Phenom was nowhere near close to Core 2 but some people like to tell themselves that to make themselves feel better.
AMD FTW IT TOTALY PWNS INTEL!!!!!
BTW, Elmo don't try vs keith. He will start something then take parts of your post and only go from there. Also he doesn't like to post any sort of links to fatcs because his opinion is right and he is teh PC godz.....