AMD "Zembezi

[illfindu]

Hey im looking towards the future and I'm eyeing the AMD 8 core bulldozer CPU'S coming down the line. I'v seen some source say there going to use a AM3+ Socket and im wondering if that means youll be able to toss one in a current AM3+ compatible board?
Will my current http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813130297&nm_mc=OTC-Froogle&cm_mmc=OTC-Froogle-_-Motherboards+-+AMD-_-MSI-_-13130297 msi 870A Fuzion work i noticed just now that its a AM3 not a AM3+ I'm guessing that means ill need a new mother board cause the sockets are comparable?

 

[saint19]

AFAIK the 8 core and 12 core BD will be the direct competition of SB, while the 6 core and others will directly compete with the 1156 and 1366 Intel line.

 

[Chad Boga]

AFAIK the 8 core and 12 core BD will be the direct competition of SB, while the 6 core and others will directly compete with the 1156 and 1366 Intel line.

I don't think the 1156 line of CPU's will be long for this world once SB starts to ramp up and even 1366 CPU's will surely be tailing off dramatically as the year wears on.

 

[kilo_17]

^Yeah you're right. I'm guessing 1366 won't be around for long

 

[fazers_on_stun]

Isn't the i7-990X an LGA-1366 part? Now it could be the last upgrade for that socket but still I wouldn't write off 1366 until confirmed by Intel that no new CPUs will be coming out for it.

 

[saint19]

Yeah, the 990x is 1366 line.

 

[kilo_17]

Isn't the i7-990X an LGA-1366 part? Now it could be the last upgrade for that socket but still I wouldn't write off 1366 until confirmed by Intel that no new CPUs will be coming out for it.

Good point. I'm just guessing it'll be replaced sometime in the semi-near future

 

[Chad Boga]

Isn't the i7-990X an LGA-1366 part? Now it could be the last upgrade for that socket but still I wouldn't write off 1366 until confirmed by Intel that no new CPUs will be coming out for it.

Yes i7 990x is a 1366 part.

However I would write that off as the peak of performance Intel is going to offer on socket 1366, as they are looking to move consumers across to both socket 1155 & 2011, plus introduce their 22nm products in Q1 11.

None of that makes me think the 1366 treatment will be any different to what we saw for socket 775, when sockets 1366 & 1156 were introduced.

 

[kilo_17]

Since you mentioned 775, is Intel ever going to kill that socket? Not hating on it, but it's been around for years and it makes me wonder how much longer Intel is gonna support it.

 

[saint19]

I think that for a ling time, since 90% of OEM rigs comes with 775 CPUs

 

[BaronMatrix]

Yea still. 24 real cores vs 12 real cores with 24 threads. I don't care what you say, a clock speed advantage should not benefit that much in a market where more cores + more memory + more memory bandwidth rules.

Perhaps you should tell Intel to use real cores, then the threads ARE cores. Until then what Task Manager says is what matters.

 

[cjl]

Perhaps you should tell Intel to use real cores, then the threads ARE cores. Until then what Task Manager says is what matters.

No, what task manager says isn't what matters. What execution resources the CPU has, how it uses them, and how it performs are what matters.

 

[jf-amd]

Yeah, the 12-core Opterons. I have no idea how they would perform against Intel, though.

~5% faster in integer, ~20% faster in FP. Interlagos will have ~50% more throughput than MC, so for SB to beat AMD, they need to be ~55% faster at a minimum. I haven't seen any statements on SB server performance, but I am guessing their claims, with only 33% more cores, is going to fall short of 55%. But we haven't seen any claims on the server side yet, other than a Q4 launch for the 2P stuff.

You ask and you shall recieve:

http://www.anandtech.com/show/2978/amd-s-12-core-magny-cours-opteron-6174-vs-intel-s-6-core-xeon/4

Its a dual 12 core AMD system (24 total cores) vs a dual 6 core Xeon (12 cores, 24 threads). And the Intel system only runs 24GB of RAM and the AMD system has 32GB. That hampers Intel in some tests that love a lot of memory.

from what I saw, AMD has a lead and it should since its 24 real cores. But the lead is not as impressive as it should be, i.e. its not 2x and in server areas, they can use all of those cores.

Actually, what is also missing is the pricing. You really shouldn't compare performance without comparing pricing as well. I don't know the pricing off the top of my head but a 6174 should be ~$1165 IIRC and the x5670 is ~$1440. That means several hundred dollars difference in total CPU costs.

They could. Isn't AMD doing their own tech on QPI?

QPI is intel proprietary. You will not see us do anything with that.

 

[dogman_1234]

^Anything LIKE it though, or something to counter it? still FSB?

 

[jf-amd]

We have not had an FSB since 2003. 8 years of HyperTransport. QPI was basically an imitation of what we did 8 years about to get away from FSB.

 

[kilo_17]

So JF, you're saying AMD is better performing than SB in the server market?

 

[saint19]

So JF, you're saying AMD is better performing than SB in the server market?

SB ISN'T for the server market, for those markets exist Xeon and Opteron and in that field Opteron is far away from Xeon

 

[dogman_1234]

Currently, Xeon is king over the MC chips, but, the catch is Opteron is king of the server market. Try to type en Cray in Google.

 

[kilo_17]

SB ISN'T for the server market, for those markets exist Xeon and Opteron and in that field Opteron is far away from Xeon

Oh, right. Not sure what I was thinking there............

 

[fazers_on_stun]

Yes i7 990x is a 1366 part.

However I would write that off as the peak of performance Intel is going to offer on socket 1366, as they are looking to move consumers across to both socket 1155 & 2011, plus introduce their 22nm products in Q1 11.

None of that makes me think the 1366 treatment will be any different to what we saw for socket 775, when sockets 1366 & 1156 were introduced.

True - I was responding to somebody's statement that 1366 wouldn't 'be around for long'. Even if the 990X is the last CPU released on that socket, it'll be years before it disappears, similar to 775.

I know socket 2011 will be the performance socket, but what I have seen conflicting rumors is the supposed 1356 socket (replacement for 1366) - tri-channel, single QPI link, etc. Dunno if Intel would complicate their lineup to that degree however..

 

[fazers_on_stun]

Currently, Xeon is king over the MC chips, but, the catch is Opteron is king of the server market. Try to type en Cray in Google.

No, Cray is HPC (high performance computing) - aka, supercomputers.

In server, AMD has dropped from around 10+ percent marketshare a year ago down to something like 6% today - a 40% decrease. At least those were the last IDC figures I saw months ago. And this was after the debut of both Magny Cours and the Westmere-based Xeons..

So either Magny Cours is not as good as we have been told, or JF needs to start flogging his staff regularly 😛..

 

[dogman_1234]

No, Cray is HPC (high performance computing) - aka, supercomputers.

In server, AMD has dropped from around 10+ percent marketshare a year ago down to something like 6% today - a 40% decrease. At least those were the last IDC figures I saw months ago. And this was after the debut of both Magny Cours and the Westmere-based Xeons..

So either Magny Cours is not as good as we have been told, or JF needs to start flogging his staff regularly 😛..

Take a gander at this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cray_XT5

Ignore it being wiki.

 

[jf-amd]

So JF, you're saying AMD is better performing than SB in the server market?

I never make performance statemetnt about unannounced products relative to a competitor's unannounced product. those are worth the electrons that they are written on.

SB ISN'T for the server market, for those markets exist Xeon and Opteron and in that field Opteron is far away from Xeon

Someone needs to tell Intel then because their next version of the 2P is called Sandybridge EP. You should do a little research on that, you'll find out there is a SB in the server space.

 

[saint19]

Someone needs to tell Intel then because their next version of the 2P is called Sandybridge EP. You should do a little research on that, you'll find out there is a SB in the server space.

You're right I need use Google more frequently :lol:

 

[fazers_on_stun]

Take a gander at this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cray_XT5

Ignore it being wiki.

Actually if you search 'top 500 supercomputers' on Wiki you'll see the current #1 spot is held by a Chinese computer, using Xeons and Fermis (Nvidia GPUs) 😛..

 

[kilo_17]

Actually if you search 'top 500 supercomputers' on Wiki you'll see the current #1 spot is held by a Chinese computer, using Xeons and Fermis (Nvidia GPUs) 😛..

The supercomputer builders must be biased against AMD :lol: