AMD's Answer to Core i5: Phenom II 975 BE

[yannifb]

I agree with whoever said to increase the Cache, because that would probably give a huge perf. increase (as opposed to a 200 mhz clockspeed increase). Honestly, if the 975 somehow managed to keep the 125W TDP, had 8-10 Mb l3, some more l2, i might replace my 955 with it.

 

[SpidersWeb]

Admittedly I was hoping for something more impressive from AMD.
Fingers crossed for them though (with regards to 2010 high end). I'm sure they'll compete well but doesn't look like they're going to take their turn at owning the competition.

Of course the Thubon could have an amazing architecture for all we know at this point. They wont go bankrupt, but I wonder how they'll go with R&D if finances are like you guys say? (I haven't looked).

The 975 reminds me of what Intel did with the Prescott. Both companies have their ups and downs.

 

[loneninja]

975 is just going to be the 6400 of the Phenom II line if you get what I'm saying. lol

 

[someguy7]

AMD never officially confirmed it until today.

Still no date of course, but they'll be working on it. We just don't know how much better windows 7 will be for multiple cores either yet.

Either way, what else are they supposed to do? Not just AMD but intel too? These cpu's cannot go much further in terms of raw ghz, its a wall that cant be breached. The only thing both companies can do is increase the core count, otherwise there will be hardly any progress at all.

6-cores and up might sound 'meh', but there are no alternatives at this moment, for either company.

For the windows 7 part yeah we kind off do. White It is not out in stores, the OS is out. And its out legally.

Both comanies can do ALOT more than just increase the core count. You make IPC improvements as well. And they must do that if they expect to sell any chips at all. A 3ghz AMD quad core thats out four years from now better be a good deal faster than the current AMD 3ghz quad cores. Same for Intel.

We want our cpus/cores to get "faster" without the raw GHZ going up.

 

[yomamafor1]

According to some unconfirmed sources, the Bulldozer should be a game changer for AMD. While I don't put much faith in leaked sources, I think it has some merit to it.

2011 shall be interesting.

 

[someguy7]

According to some unconfirmed sources, the Bulldozer should be a game changer for AMD. While I don't put much faith in leaked sources, I think it has some merit to it.

2011 shall be interesting.

I sure hope so. I am wondering what Intel is up to with sandy also. Apparently Intel had windows 7 machine running on it.

 

[amdfangirl]

How do you guys talk about chip concepts that don't exist yet?

 

[croc]

http://news.google.com/news/search?aq=f&um=1&ned=us&hl=en&q=%22Phenom+II%22+975

http://www.fudzilla.com/content/view/15553/1/ (I know it's Fudzilla, but they pretty much are reporting the same thing as a couple other sources)

AMD is working on a new Deneb-based Phenom II X4 975 core and judging from previous speed updates the new CPU might actually even work at 3.6GHz.

TDP's can be as high as 140W, but that will have to be tolerated for such a speed. We don’t know when AMD plans to launch this CPU, but it’s almost certain that it comes in the first half of 2010.

Another source said the second half of 2010, but I simply think AMD isn't THAT bad.


So a few things here:
- We should be looking at about ~6% performance increase over PII X4 965 BE at stock speeds.
- I suspect overclockability will be about the same as the 965BE, capping out at 4.0 or 4.1 on aftermarket air (pure speculation)
- Thermals are still sky-high and reminiscent of Intel's Prescott
- I don't like the timing, I think AMD needs to unleash this bad boy in 2009 Q4 and bump down the 965 BE prices to the $190-$200 range

I still think AMD will do well though, because Intel doesn't have a lot to offer that costs less than $200. LGA775 is EOL, and I simply cannot recommend it anymore as it's no fun to be on a dead end road!

There's just simply not enough headroom! Where art thou Bulldozer!?!



(Insert flame war below)

AMD needs to quit running around like a flock of headless chooks and get some organization. They need to get on 32 nm, practice a bit, THEN release bulldozer. Even if that means biting a bullet short-term and begging IBM for advice / engineering assistance. Intel can outspend them in R&D 20 to one, so that's a hard hill to climb. They've done it before, but...

Meantime, Intel's 'tick-tock' strategy just keeps steam-rollering along. It's all about strategy AND execution. AMD seems to have lost the plot in both arenas, and need to get that back. No more strategy but 'oops... can we make enough to make everyone happy' execution.

Just my 2p.

 

[xaira]

Ask yourself this,

What will "Thuban" do that the i7 860 cannot?

ill take 2 real cores over 4 fake ones any day, especially if i can stick it in a 3 year old socket

 

[amdfangirl]

I wish AMD remembered it's Am2 owners

 

[TechnologyCoordinator]

Honestly, if the 975 somehow managed to keep the 125W TDP, had 8-10 Mb l3, some more l2, i might replace my 955 with it.

I agree the more Cache would be good, but this just looks like a clockspeed increase. Also, it looks like it will hold the 140 Watt TDP of the 965BE.

More than likely you wouldn't see much of an overclocking increase.

 

[amdfangirl]

Maybe you might see it from another die revision but it's nothing to worry about.

 

[Guest]

This is a complete waste of time.
AMD are just churning out Processors with the same, outdated, outclassed architecture, and deciding on making them slightly more tolerant to a higher TDP.
This is seriously screwing with me, I like AMD, they are NICE. But they suck at business.
AMD, please, take an i7 and look at it. Then look at your Phenom II. Proceed to try harder, or kill yourselves.

 

[Scotteq]

What was that line from that old Clint Eastwood movie?? Oh yeah: "Endeavour To Persevere"

(had to go check: it's from 'The Outlaw Josie Wales')

 

[fazers_on_stun]

Intel get turbo, AMD get Thurbon 😀

LOL - actually considering the UAE will probably hafta buy out the remainder of AMD soon, it should go: Intel get turbo, AMD get turban 😀.

Now that I think about it, I guess turbans are more Indian than Arab, but you get the idea...

 

[fazers_on_stun]

I didn't hear anything about a new socket... Are you making things up again to be more favorable for AMD?


I do agree that AMD has a more appealing upgrade path currently. I think that will change as the prices of i5 come down in the next 6-12 months.

She knows Intel has confirmed the i9 Gulftown will be a drop-in upgrade for LGA-1366, so it's just more FUD aspersions 😀.

It'll be interesting to see what 4-cores on 32nm will do. I'd bet 33% higher turbo-boost for one, as well as 5GHz oc's on good air cooling.

 

[amdfangirl]

This is a complete waste of time.
AMD are just churning out Processors with the same, outdated, outclassed architecture, and deciding on making them slightly more tolerant to a higher TDP.
This is seriously screwing with me, I like AMD, they are NICE. But they suck at business.
AMD, please, take an i7 and look at it. Then look at your Phenom II. Proceed to try harder, or kill yourselves.

Hello? Newsflash. AMD isn't as rich as Intel.

It's like a war between USA and a 3rd world country.

AMD is expected to suck. It has to work with much less resources. Quite frankly, if you are so keen on harassing AMD for their lower performing microprocessors, I'd like to see you design your own.

Intel has the power to spend so much on R&D and can produce a lot more than AMD.

 

[SpidersWeb]

Hello? Newsflash. AMD isn't as rich as Intel.

It's like a war between USA and a 3rd world country.

AMD is expected to suck. It has to work with much less resources. Quite frankly, if you are so keen on harassing AMD for their lower performing microprocessors, I'd like to see you design your own.

Intel has the power to spend so much on R&D and can produce a lot more than AMD.

x2

And usually when a processor company "are just churning out Processors with the same, outdated, outclassed architecture, and deciding on making them slightly more tolerant to a higher TDP" it's because they're working on something new and need the sales to support it.

Most recent example is Intel with the high end Prescotts, way too hot, basically overclocked P4's, then out came the Core2's. I'm hoping AMD is doing the same and we're in for a good suprise in 2011. I'm just hoping the Thuban is a new architecture not just a smaller die with 6 cores. What is scary though is Intel is already testing on 22nm.

I'm an Intel guy, but we need AMD to kick ass, no competition is extremely dangerous for the cosnumer.
Although for the record, I'm going to be building a small AMD setup soon, AMD does own the budget market.

 

[amdfangirl]

No competition is a monopoly.

I'm afariad that's even bad for Intel fans.

 

[SpidersWeb]

Yeah it's bad enough with the i7's here as it is.

i7 920 $NZ520
i7 950 Kidney
i7 975 Right Arm

 

[xaira]

actually, a kidney is more expensive than aright arm

black market kidney = $7000
no one can sell an arm, because there is a time limit between the sever and a successfull reattachment.

 

[yannifb]

actually, a kidney is more expensive than aright arm

black market kidney = $7000
no one can sell an arm, because there is a time limit between the sever and a successfull reattachment.

lol :lol:

 

[jennyh]

Hello? Newsflash. AMD isn't as rich as Intel.

It's like a war between USA and a 3rd world country.

With any luck it will go the same way Vietnam did. 😀

 

[yannifb]

Hello? Newsflash. AMD isn't as rich as Intel.

It's like a war between USA and a 3rd world country.

With any luck it will go the same way Vietnam did. 😀

lol again

 

[TechnologyCoordinator]

actually, a kidney is more expensive than aright arm

black market kidney = $7000
no one can sell an arm, because there is a time limit between the sever and a successfull reattachment.