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gg83 said:
I guess we'll see. I doubt it would makes sense to upgrade from the 7800x3d. Upgrading the 7800xt videocard would be better?
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No, it doesn't make snese. And why should anyone? Which game does the 7800X3D choke on so badly, that would require a new CPU?

Zen 4 owners should upgrade to Zen 5 only if moving up a tier, i.e. non-X3D to X3D or single CCD to dual CCD. Otherwise it's money down the drain.
 
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The amazing part is that the 7800X3D will already top the Arrow Lake charts AMD wants to top.

9950X = 4.3 GHz base, 5.7 GHz boost (170W)
9800X3D = 4.7 GHz base, >5.2 boost (one core)???
9700X = 3.8 GHz base, 5.5 boost (65W)
7800X3D = 4.2 GHz base, 5.0 boost (120W)
7700X = 4.5 GHz base, 5.4 boost (105W)

^If the 9800X3D is doing 5.2 GHz all-core, then maybe it has a higher boost than that for one core, such as 5.5-5.7 GHz.

Seems likely they will slap a 105 or 120W TDP on the 9800X3D, and make it the savior of the lineup, especially if it can clock higher than the 7800X3D right out of the box.

The 9900X3D is completely useless and should not exist. 6-core + V-Cache should be used for a 9600X3D instead.
 
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usertests said:
Seems likely they will slap a 105 or 120W TDP on the 9800X3D, and make it the savior of the lineup, especially if it can clock higher than the 7800X3D right out of the box.
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The only time a 105W TDP helps performance is in applications that can use all the cores. Gaming doesn't use all the cores and there is no difference in performance on the 9700X between 65W and 105W TDPs.
 
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gg83 said:
I guess we'll see. I doubt it would makes sense to upgrade from the 7800x3d. Upgrading the 7800xt videocard would be better?
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Correct -- the 7800 XT is your bottleneck in most gaming cases, not the 7800X3D. Don't get me wrong, I think the 9800X3D will provide a solid uplift whereas vanilla Zen 5 has been meh over vanilla Zen 4, but one needs a seriously strong GPU to make these CPU's sweat in games, like the RTX 4090.
 
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I'm curious what single, two, and four-core turbo boost look like if 9800X3D can sustain 5.2 GHz on all cores? Time will tell if that's a golden sample but if that's the norm, this chip is going to be faaaaaast!

Reminds me of the Athlon Thunderbird days and the race to 1 GHz.
 
jeremyj_83 said:
The only time a 105W TDP helps performance is in applications that can use all the cores. Gaming doesn't use all the cores and there is no difference in performance on the 9700X between 65W and 105W TDPs.
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It may be unrelated, but the point is that it looks like the 9800X3D will clock higher than the 7800X3D (which had a 120W TDP) and 9700X (at least at its 65W defaults). For both all-core and single-core turbo clocks.

This tracks with the expectation that the special feature of 9000X3D chips is full overclocking support. There may be no voltage issues preventing it from clocking as high as other chips in the lineup.
 
gg83 said:
I doubt it would makes sense to upgrade from the 7800x3d
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its never worth upgrading 1 gen.

2 gen maybe. but msot ppl should only go every 3 generations as they will feel difference (and thus be worth it to most people
usertests said:
The 9900X3D is completely useless and should not exist
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not true.
If someone only wanst one machine (gaming & productivity) it makes perfect sense.
and if amd could fix issue of the x900x3d ccd (6cache and 6 normal vs the x800x3d 8cache) then they could make the highest end product the best gaming chip as well. (as that cache difference is why the 900 loses to 800's in gaming)
 
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usertests said:
It may be unrelated, but the point is that it looks like the 9800X3D will clock higher than the 7800X3D (which had a 120W TDP) and 9700X (at least at its 65W defaults). For both all-core and single-core turbo clocks.

This tracks with the expectation that the special feature of 9000X3D chips is full overclocking support. There may be no voltage issues preventing it from clocking as high as other chips in the lineup.
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For reference in the Civ VI Gathering Storm AI benchmark, which is CPU intensive, I was averaging 5.4 - 5.5GHz clocks on a 50% CPU load for the duration of the benchmark. Note that is with the TDP set at 65W. With 105W I doubt the clocks would go higher (stated max turbo is 5.5GHz) without manually setting a higher boost clock. Y-Cruncher was a little more variable with clocks typically falling between 4.5Ghz and 5Ghz across all 16 threads. There a 105W TDP would probably help to keep the clocks higher.

With the 9800X3D perhaps they will set a higher boost clock and use a 105W TDP. However, they also might keep the clocks the same as the 9700X and give you the option of a 65W or 105W TDP.
 
What I am curious was early rumours I've read sometime ago said that the 9900X3D and 9950X3D will have both CCD with the v cache, so essentially solving the issue of using the higher clocked non-v cache core for gaming, if that's true I believe that could be the ultimate gaming choices topping the 7800X3D by some margin in some games, will be interesting to see how those fares with ARL
 
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hotaru251 said:
its never worth upgrading 1 gen.

2 gen maybe. but msot ppl should only go every 3 generations as they will feel difference (and thus be worth it to most people
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That was my thinking with the 9950X. Good to go till the 11950X or 12950X. 🤣 16 cores for productivity tasks and don't much care if I get 5 less fps in games than the x3D chips.
 
MLisD was saying 9800X3D will probably go as high as 5.4GHz depending on Arrow Lake's performance. They have not divulged clock speeds at all. I also though there was more v-cache this time round too.
 
Mama Changa said:
MLisD was saying 9800X3D will probably go as high as 5.4GHz depending on Arrow Lake's performance. They have not divulged clock speeds at all. I also though there was more v-cache this time round too.
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Personally I would even prefer seeing they do that even ARL outperform them, it sounds like another RPL or the melting 7800X3D risk again... mild losing in one gen is better than stock OC pushing another few %, let the ones willing to do the OC to squeeze that bit out at their own risk
 
gg83 said:
I guess we'll see. I doubt it would makes sense to upgrade from the 7800x3d. Upgrading the 7800xt videocard would be better?
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Upgrade your GPU and monitor and game at 4K if you don't already, not only it is a much more tangible upgrade to your gaming experience it also reduces so much load off your CPU that will make it last for generations before you need to replace it.
 
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Makaveli said:
Those of us on Zen 3 are who the upgrades are for
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Correction: Those of us on Sandy Bridge are who the upgrades are for ;P
Playing
NMS@1080p ~[40, 60] fps
Kenshi@1080p ~[30,50] fps
PCSX2@3xnative ~1080 30 or 60 fps.

IIRC cyberpunk@1080p was around 30-40 fps at medium settings.

So for my use case (casual gamer), I don't really need an upgrade. Most recent one was from a 20" old monitor to a 43" tv. That was worth it.
 
SillyJoeDoe said:
Correction: Those of us on Sandy Bridge are who the upgrades are for ;P
Playing
NMS@1080p ~[40, 60] fps
Kenshi@1080p ~[30,50] fps
PCSX2@3xnative ~1080 30 or 60 fps.

IIRC cyberpunk@1080p was around 30-40 fps at medium settings.

So for my use case (casual gamer), I don't really need an upgrade. Most recent one was from a 20" old monitor to a 43" tv. That was worth it.
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damn you still on Sandy bridge in 2024
 
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