Analog video capture quality

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"Chuck U. Farley" <chuckufarley@dyslexia.com> wrote in message
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>> So how do you avoid using the 5 year old hardware MPEG
>> Decoding algorithm in your settop DVD player?
>
> Where in this thread was the word "mpeg _decoder_" used and what does a
> _decoder_ have to do with analog video capture?
>

I'm sorry if that went over your head. I'll try and explain so
that you can understand.

You, rather sarcastically, said : "Yeah, a hardware encoder with a
5 year old mpeg encoding algorithm is a _real_ card, right?" ; this
would imply that you found something wrong and to be avoided
with such chips.

Considering that the hardware decoder chips used in settop
players are, at least, as old as the encoder chips, it follows
that you should have the same objection to using them.

Conversely, if you have no problem with the 5+ year old
decoder chip, why do you have one with the encoder chips?

There do you understand now?

Luck;
Ken

 

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> You, rather sarcastically, said : "Yeah, a hardware encoder with a
> 5 year old mpeg encoding algorithm is a _real_ card, right?" ; this
> would imply that you found something wrong and to be avoided
> with such chips.

I do, as we've discussed in other threads.

> Considering that the hardware decoder chips used in settop
> players are, at least, as old as the encoder chips, it follows
> that you should have the same objection to using them.

You assuming decoder chips in current set top boxes are 5 years old and
further assuming I have an objection to using them, and we know what people
who ASSume are.

> Conversely, if you have no problem with the 5+ year old
> decoder chip, why do you have one with the encoder chips?

Because a multiple pass VBR s/w encode with recently released s/w will
_always_ be of higher quality than a realtime h/w encode with a 5 year old
encoder chip from a $150 USD card. Now you go on thinking h/w capture and
slicing and dicing with VideoReDo is real video editing and the "best" way
to edit video, it's of no consequence to me. But since I've already
determined you cannot perceive what constitutes quality in a video display,
further discussion with you regarding video technology is rather pointless.

> There do you understand now?

Yeah, you think a $150 card and $50 s/w gives the ultimate in video quality.
As PTRAVEL advised, spend a little time over at rec.video.production and
www.dvinfo.net and run your theories by them.

 

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"Chuck U. Farley" <chuckufarley@dyslexia.com> wrote in message
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>> You, rather sarcastically, said : "Yeah, a hardware encoder with a
>> 5 year old mpeg encoding algorithm is a _real_ card, right?" ; this
>> would imply that you found something wrong and to be avoided
>> with such chips.
>
> I do, as we've discussed in other threads.
>
>> Considering that the hardware decoder chips used in settop
>> players are, at least, as old as the encoder chips, it follows
>> that you should have the same objection to using them.
>
> You assuming decoder chips in current set top boxes are 5 years old and
> further assuming I have an objection to using them, and we know what
> people
> who ASSume are.
>
>> Conversely, if you have no problem with the 5+ year old
>> decoder chip, why do you have one with the encoder chips?
>
> Because a multiple pass VBR s/w encode with recently released s/w will
> _always_ be of higher quality than a realtime h/w encode with a 5 year old
> encoder chip from a $150 USD card. Now you go on thinking h/w capture and
> slicing and dicing with VideoReDo is real video editing and the "best" way
> to edit video, it's of no consequence to me. But since I've already
> determined you cannot perceive what constitutes quality in a video
> display,
> further discussion with you regarding video technology is rather
> pointless.
>
>> There do you understand now?
>
> Yeah, you think a $150 card and $50 s/w gives the ultimate in video
> quality.
> As PTRAVEL advised, spend a little time over at rec.video.production and
> www.dvinfo.net and run your theories by them.
>

Of course the fact is that I've never claimed any process "gives
the ultimate in video quality", my claim was and is that my results
are not in any way worse than the analog sources that I have as
input to my process. Why you find this so threatening and
unacceptable, is between you and your therapist.

Maybe I can help your therapist along; just because I can use
a much cheaper, faster and easier process to save up professionally
edited entertainment doesn't mean that your expensive, slow and
more difficult process isn't needed and useful. Anyone working
with unedited material would be much better off using your
methods and tools. All that time and effort won't be wasted.
Baby steps, ... Baby steps.

Luck
Ken

 

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On a sunny day (Mon, 14 Feb 2005 13:22:23 -0500) it happened "Chuck U. Farley"
<chuckufarley@dyslexia.com> wrote in <8_5Qd.30$Le5.19@bignews4.bellsouth.net>:

>> So how do you avoid using the 5 year old hardware MPEG
>> Decoding algorithm in your settop DVD player?
>
>Where in this thread was the word "mpeg _decoder_" used and what does a
>_decoder_ have to do with analog video capture?
PAL decoder, NTSC decoder, and likely your ANALOG card would have a digital
decoder chip for those analog systems.....
hehe

 

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"Jan Panteltje" <pNaonStpealmtje@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> On a sunny day (Mon, 14 Feb 2005 13:22:23 -0500) it happened "Chuck U.
> Farley"
> <chuckufarley@dyslexia.com> wrote in
> <8_5Qd.30$Le5.19@bignews4.bellsouth.net>:
>
>>> So how do you avoid using the 5 year old hardware MPEG
>>> Decoding algorithm in your settop DVD player?
>>
>>Where in this thread was the word "mpeg _decoder_" used and what does a
>>_decoder_ have to do with analog video capture?
> PAL decoder, NTSC decoder, and likely your ANALOG card would have a
> digital
> decoder chip for those analog systems.....
> hehe

True, and in the case of my capture card, a very good one: the
Phillips SAA 7114H. (Check it out at the Philips Web Site)

Luck;
Ken

 

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On a sunny day (Mon, 14 Feb 2005 16:15:27 -0600) it happened "Ken Maltby"
<kmaltby@sbcglobal.net> wrote in <iMGdnacPX7Bpv4zfRVn-rQ@giganews.com>:

> True, and in the case of my capture card, a very good one: the
>Phillips SAA 7114H. (Check it out at the Philips Web Site)
>
>Luck;
> Ken
Oh yes, in linux type this:
panteltje:~# locate 7114
/usr/src/linux-2.4.25/drivers/media/video/swarm_saa7114h.c
/usr/src/linux-2.6.10/drivers/media/video/saa7114.c
Chip is supported!

 

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Alpha wrote:

>His original point was that his cheap analog capture device resulted in out
>of sync conditions.
>
>Look at the Hauppauge series and get a real card.
>
>Canopus DVD Storm 2 HD is excellent, but very expensive.
>
>
>
Didn't you read the first few replies ? It might no tbe the hardware
he's using at all. He's capturing directly to a compressed MPeg file. He
needs to use a lossless codec , edit it, and then do a final compress to
Mpeg-2 using TMPGenc.

jason

>"Jimmy" <JimmyCliff@xemaps.com> wrote in message
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>>mikea_59 wrote:
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>>> Can I capture to DV using my cheap capture board (All-in-Wonder),
>>>or do I have to use something like a DV camcorder?
>>>
>>>
>>You can. I capture analog with my ATI 7500 to AVI then edit and convert to
>>Mpeg for DVD format or streaming. Once it is on your hard drive it is
>>digital. The quality will look as good as it did when it was viewed on TV
>>as
>>analog. The methods and codecs may vary but the results should remain the
>>same.
>>
>>J.
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