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"Matt Frisch" <matuse73@yahoo.spam.me.not.com> wrote in message
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> >> Those aren't really wild lions, they are lions who have become
accustomed
> >> to those shiny, smelly, loud, moving man-boxes.
> >
> >I guess there are no more wild lions, then, because there are no lions
that
> >have not become accustomed to shiny, smell, loud, moving man-boxes.
>
> Prove it. Taking a tour of a lion populated area is not proof. Why are
> lions different from every other animal in the world, Jeff? And by every
> other animal, I include what you would consider domesticated...cats and
> dogs who were not raised around humans will run away from us too.
Lions are different from MOST other animals because they have no REASON to
fear creatures our size. You're implying that every animal on the planet
quakes in fear at the sight of human beings, when that is so obviously not
even remotely true, it is mindboggling that you would even imply it.
Lions do not cohabitate with humans. If lions appear where humans are, they
are either relocated(by conservation minded humans), or killed(by anyone
else), because whenever lions and humans interact, lions act like the
predators they are, which is their undoing.
Animals which regularly kill creatures that are of any significant size do
not generally view modern humans as any kind of threat, mainly because we do
not LOOK like we can do much. There are exceptions, of course, mostly among
the primates(who are significantly more intelligent than most animals,
comparatively).
> >Have you got this vision of lions simply wandering around Africa?
>
> Yes.
Well, it's pretty much totally wrong. Lions are generally found only in
game reserves, mainly because of the reasons outlined above: if lions
interact with humans, despite the lions making a few kills, they will EITHER
find themselves relocated or killed in fairly short order.
You see, unlike you, I lived in South Africa for 5 years. And no, not once,
not in the entire time I lived there, did I *ever* see a lion simply
"wandering about". For reference, we travelled extensively during the time
we were there, in all manner of settings, urban, rural, wilderness,
basically all over the country. So, even if one was unlikely to see a lion
in the big city, we also didn't see lions in the near city country, nor in
the wilderness. The *ONLY* place you were even REMOTELY likely to see a
lion was at a ZOO or in a WILDLIFE RESERVE, and that was still pretty
unlikely.
> > My oh my.
> >Ok, free clue, buddy, those helicopter shots of vast plains of herds of
> >antelope being stalked by prides of wild lions that you see on animal
planet
> >and the like, those are ALL taken in game reserves, of which there are
> >plenty in Africa. People generally don't live in those game reserves.
>
> Thank you for making my point for me. Large, frequent areas with no
people,
> and thus no people for the lions to become accustomed to.
It doesn't matter if there are *few* people, if there are ANY people that
lions screw with, they are dealt with as above, in rather short order. And
there are very few places in africa that are utterly DEVOID of people.
There are even permanent villages INSIDE Kruger National Park(the wildlife
reserve near the border of Mozambique).
Your view of africa has been tainted by too much animal planet, chief. Yes,
there are large game reserves, many hundreds of miles from end to end, with
plenty of apparant open space for the cameras to take in, but around those
game reserves are HUGE fences to keep those animals inside the park(those
that can't leap the fences, and those animals are only a FEW of the breeds,
and NONE of the major predators). The rest of the land is just like any
other nation. There are roads, gas stations, towns, etc.
> > How
> >do I know this? I lived in Africa for 5 years, so "been there, done
that".
>
> Which I call bullshit on, since you don't even know the Hyenas are
> extremely efficient hunters.
I don't much care if you don't believe me, because it doesn't change
anything I've said, which has been 100% true, despite your lies to the
contrary.
> >You know not from whence you speak. Lions tend to regard humans as prey,
> >nothing more.
>
> I already presented a link where in a 4 year period, there were a grand
> total of *6* lion attacks on humans, only 2 of which were fatal. If lions
> regarded us as prey, that number would be substantially higher.
Only if they were wandering about the place and not removed from human
civilization. The only reason we aren't attacked more by lions is that
humans rarely ENCOUNTER lions in settings that it is not likely they can
escape(such as a car, observing in a nature preserve).
You're a big fan of associating cause with the incorrect effect, aren't you?
I've seen you do it more than once, especially when using statistics. Ice
cream causes headaches, too, I suppose, not the cold, nope definitely not
the cold.
> Tigers on the other hand, kill people a lot.
Yes, they do, except when you're wearing a mask backwards on your head.
(Tigers generally won't attack you if they think you're watching them, so
people working in tiger areas in india took to wearing masks on the backs of
their heads to give a tiger the impression they were being watched, even
with their backs to them.)
> > They'll ignore you most of
> >the time, sleep a lot, and generally be lazy, until it comes time to
catch
> >and eat you.
>
> Your ignorance and stupidity are shameful to humanity.
You can keep saying that, but the bottom line is that everything I've said
with regard to this subject has been 100% factual, and the only thing YOU'VE
done is call me a moron, not actually support your absurd statements. I
don't mind, though, it's your M.O.
--
Jeff Goslin - MCSD - www.goslin.info
It's not a god complex when you're always right
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