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"Malachias Invictus" <capt_malachias@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> > It's the five on ones they can't handle.
>
> That dozen-on-four in the video worked just fine for the hyenas.

And only the hyenas sustained any injury, that I could tell.

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Jeff Goslin <autockr@comcast.net> wrote:
> HEY, YOU CLUELESS HALFWIT, I *KNOW* I MADE THE DISTINCTION, YOU ABSOLUTE
> SUBTARD!!! THAT'S WHAT I'M BITCHING ABOUT!!! I MADE THE DISTINCTION, GOT
> JUMPED FOR IT, AND NOW HE'S DOING THE SAME THING AND EXPECTING TO GET AWAY
> WITH IT!! *HENCE* *THE* *REMARK*!!!!

The difference is that your distinction was baseless and silly, whereas
his is based in fact and common usage. Don't you get that yet?
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>"Matt Frisch" <matuse73@yahoo.spam.me.not.com> wrote in message
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>> >not simply being powerful all around, eh, that's not good enough, eh?
>>
>> Since lions run from humans, it most definitely is not good enough.
>
>Lions REGULARLY hunker down in the shade provided by safari trucks. They
>must be preparing for that inevitable run from the humans, but they're
>taking a breather, huh?

Shade is a scarce commodity on the savanah, and as previously stated, those
lions are accustomed to the noisy smelly man-boxes.

>> > What you are saying is a COMPLETE non sequitor, it simply
>> >does not follow. Animals will ONLY be afraid of humans if they have
>REASON
>> >to be afraid of humans, you simpering drool machine.
>>
>> Your assertion flies in the face of a billion years of evolution.
>
>Prey animal have reason to be afraid of ANYTHING, this is true. It's much
>more likely that deer and other herbivores will run from almost anything
>that is either known predator or unknown entirely. Predators, on the other
>hand, have not learned that fear.

All animals know fear, even if only on a stimulus/response level.

>Fear of other creatures is NOT inherant to predators. They are the ones on
>top and have to LEARN how to fear anything they should fear.

Most predators are among the most timid animals in nature. An herbivore can
take a relatively serious injury and survive...plants don't run away, after
all. A predator who can't hunt is a corpse who hasn't fallen down yet. They
go far, far out of their way to avoid it. You are horribly ignorant.

>> >Bottom line: I've been there, I've seen it, up close and personal, I
>speak
>> >from PERSONAL EXPERIENCE.
>>
>> Your personal experience has been comprehensively refuted by dozens of
>> sources who, unlike you, know what they are talking about. I don't make
>> statements about lion behavior based on seeing them in a zoo, you
>>shouldn't be making statements about ones in tourist spots who are exposed to a
>> couple thousand people a year.
>
>In your fantasy world, that's true, of course. In reality, you're just
>blowing smoke and hoping nobody notices.

Prove me wrong Jeff. Cites. None of your "personal experience" which has
been crushed by real experts.

Please Jeff, just ONE cite which actually supports you, instead of
contradicting you, like all the others.

Oh, and still waiting for you to come up with that list of predators who
kill things at 10x, 5x, or even 3x their own size. You can keep clipping
it, but the question doesn't go away.

 

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>"Rupert Boleyn" <rboleyn@paradise.net.nz> wrote in message
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>> > "it's not common for lions IN GENERAL"... I thought it was pretty clear,
>but
>> > I guess not.
>>
>> Solitary, prideless males are a significant portion of the population,
>> so ignoring them is foolish.
>
>Solitary prideless males make up a significant portion of the MALE
>population, I'll give you that, but the ratios of female to male in lions is
>probably about 10 to 1.

Males have a much shorter life expectency than females do, so of course the
males will be hugely outnumbered.

>> > Let's just say that without at least a 5 to 1 numbers advantage in favor
>of
>> > the hyenas, my money would always be put on the lions in that instance.
>>
>> Well, you're an idiot. The spotted hyena, which is the one we're
>> really discussing here, averages 150+ pounds for an adult female. A
>> lioness weighs about twice that. This suggests that a 2-1 ratio should
>> easily be sufficient to attempt to intimidate a group of lionesses,
>
>"Suggests"??? You're calling me an idiot, and you're using weight ratios to
>determine how many hyenas could take on how many lions?

Weight is the most relevant statistic for who will win a fight. One of the
links I provided earlier states that Hyenas will typically "go to war" with
a 3-1 or 4-1 advantage. Animals have no sense of playing fair.

>So, if I outweighed, say, YOU, by a ratio of 2 to 1, it would take TWO of
>you to kick my ass, despite the fact that I'm just fat, not like buff and
>tuff or anything? Geez, pump up my ego why don't you? 😉

Humans are in this case, as with many many others, the exception. You do
not find lard-ass animals whose weight provides a substantial obstacle to
their functionality. There are fat animals (although that is usually
blubber, which is distinctly different), but they are not impeded by it.

 

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Matt Frisch wrote:
>> Yes, it will be 2 lions running for their lives. If they don't run, then
>> they are dead lions.

Jeff Goslin wrote:
> Your own link to the video shows this statement to be false.

Matt didn't post the link; MI did.

> If you enter an animal's comfort zone, it's level of innate aggression
> will likely determine the next course of action for that animal.
> Passive animals will likely flee. Aggressive animals will likely try
> to stomp your guts out.

By this reasoning, crows are passive-aggressive. Too silly.

Y'know, if you actually learned something about animals, and you
actually learned what words mean, you might actually be able to have a
productive conversation.
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Jeff Goslin wrote:
> Thankfully, I've gotten wise to your prediliction to say "prove it",
> so I intentionally included the word "probably" in there to provide me
> an intentionally weaselly exit ....

You say this, and then wonder why people mock you?
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"Matt Frisch" <matuse73@yahoo.spam.me.not.com> wrote in message
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> On Wed, 30 Mar 2005 03:02:31 -0500, "Jeff Goslin" <autockr@comcast.net>
> scribed into the ether:
>
>>"Matt Frisch" <matuse73@yahoo.spam.me.not.com> wrote in message
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>>> >They kill lions if the lions are stupid enough to attack protected
>>> >young,
>>> >which they rarely are.
>>>
>>> Not talking about defending young, I'm talking about pre-emptive
>>> attacks.
>>> Elephants kill lions. It isn't frequent (lions are faster and
>>> considerably
>>> more agile), but it happens.
>>
>>OK, try to get this through you skull. Elephants CAN'T preemptively
>>attack
>>lions because they can't get close enough to them to actually attack
>>without
>>being noticed.
>
> Watering holes. Dumbass.

*Especially* in a drought. Things can get a bit crowded.

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On Wed, 30 Mar 2005 03:49:59 -0500, "Jeff Goslin"
<autockr@comcast.net> carved upon a tablet of ether:

> Prey animal have reason to be afraid of ANYTHING, this is true. It's much
> more likely that deer and other herbivores will run from almost anything
> that is either known predator or unknown entirely. Predators, on the other
> hand, have not learned that fear.

Explain the behaviour of leopards, then. Once you've done that,
explain that of cheetahs. Now explain why the smaller, weaker animal
is less cautious.

> Fear of other creatures is NOT inherant to predators. They are the ones on
> top and have to LEARN how to fear anything they should fear.

You are full of it. It's got little to do with whether an animal is a
predator or not, and a lot to do with how big it is. Elephants fear
very little. Feral house cats fear quite a few things.


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On Wed, 30 Mar 2005 02:03:47 -0500, "Jeff Goslin"
<autockr@comcast.net> carved upon a tablet of ether:

> Solitary prideless males make up a significant portion of the MALE
> population, I'll give you that, but the ratios of female to male in lions is
> probably about 10 to 1.

Cite? Come on, I dare you.

Actually, logic says this is a silly number. Firstly, there are about
as many pre-adult males as pre-adult females. Secondly, most prides
don't have ten adult females, and many have more than one adult male.
Add in all the single males, and males in batchelor prides, and
there's just no way you can support a 10 to 1 ratio.

Idiot.

> So, if I outweighed, say, YOU, by a ratio of 2 to 1, it would take TWO of
> you to kick my ass, despite the fact that I'm just fat, not like buff and
> tuff or anything? Geez, pump up my ego why don't you? 😉

So, lionesses are fat now, are they?


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"Rupert Boleyn" <rboleyn@paradise.net.nz> wrote in message
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> On Wed, 30 Mar 2005 02:03:47 -0500, "Jeff Goslin"
> <autockr@comcast.net> carved upon a tablet of ether:
>
> > Solitary prideless males make up a significant portion of the MALE
> > population, I'll give you that, but the ratios of female to male in
lions is
> > probably about 10 to 1.
>
> Cite? Come on, I dare you.

I almost put "(no cite)" in there preemptively, knowing it would be your
first and only defense. You'll note the "probably" in there as well. Why
don't you do this: cite me something to prove me wrong.

> Actually, logic says this is a silly number. Firstly, there are about
> as many pre-adult males as pre-adult females. Secondly, most prides
> don't have ten adult females, and many have more than one adult male.

"Cite? Come on, I dare you."

This stupid "cite" game is pretty useless in standard conversation. Do you
expect people you talk to on the street to be able to cite references at
will? It usually takes a little bit to find things, and even then the cites
themselves are disputed, resulting in the need to produce cites that back up
the cites you found to support your previous position, and so on, so the
game never ends.

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Jeff Goslin <autockr@comcast.net> wrote:
> I almost put "(no cite)" in there preemptively, knowing it would be your
> first and only defense. You'll note the "probably" in there as well. Why
> don't you do this: cite me something to prove me wrong.

You made the ridiculous claim; you prove it. Tacking weasel words onto
your silly hyperbole doesn't make it any less silly.
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On Wed, 30 Mar 2005 13:14:05 -0500, "Jeff Goslin" <autockr@comcast.net>
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>"Rupert Boleyn" <rboleyn@paradise.net.nz> wrote in message
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>> On Wed, 30 Mar 2005 02:03:47 -0500, "Jeff Goslin"
>> <autockr@comcast.net> carved upon a tablet of ether:
>>
>> > Solitary prideless males make up a significant portion of the MALE
>> > population, I'll give you that, but the ratios of female to male in
>lions is
>> > probably about 10 to 1.
>>
>> Cite? Come on, I dare you.
>
>I almost put "(no cite)" in there preemptively, knowing it would be your
>first and only defense.

We've already provided links that prove you wrong. The burden for your
moronic assertions is not on us. Your word is meaningless. Nothing you say
can be accepted on face value, because you have been proven to be wrong
*so* often.

>> Actually, logic says this is a silly number. Firstly, there are about
>> as many pre-adult males as pre-adult females. Secondly, most prides
>> don't have ten adult females, and many have more than one adult male.
>
>"Cite? Come on, I dare you."
>
>This stupid "cite" game is pretty useless in standard conversation. Do you
>expect people you talk to on the street to be able to cite references at
>will?

Non-sequitor. People you talk to on the street do not have instant access
to google. You can launch your browser and bring it up any time.

 

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"Bradd W. Szonye" <bradd+news@szonye.com> wrote in message
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> Jeff Goslin <autockr@comcast.net> wrote:
> > I almost put "(no cite)" in there preemptively, knowing it would be your
> > first and only defense. You'll note the "probably" in there as well.
Why
> > don't you do this: cite me something to prove me wrong.
>
> You made the ridiculous claim; you prove it. Tacking weasel words onto
> your silly hyperbole doesn't make it any less silly.

Well, you're so invested in making me look like an idiot, I figured you'd
jump at the chance to prove me wrong, but I guess you're just more
interested in the APPEARANCE of me being an idiot, than of me actually being
one.

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"Jeff Goslin" <autockr@comcast.net> wrote in message
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> "Bradd W. Szonye" <bradd+news@szonye.com> wrote in message
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>> Jeff Goslin <autockr@comcast.net> wrote:
>> > I almost put "(no cite)" in there preemptively, knowing it would be
>> > your
>> > first and only defense. You'll note the "probably" in there as well.
> Why
>> > don't you do this: cite me something to prove me wrong.
>>
>> You made the ridiculous claim; you prove it. Tacking weasel words onto
>> your silly hyperbole doesn't make it any less silly.
>
> Well, you're so invested in making me look like an idiot, I figured you'd
> jump at the chance to prove me wrong, but I guess you're just more
> interested in the APPEARANCE of me being an idiot, than of me actually
> being
> one.

You take care of the latter all by yourself.

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Bradd wrote:
>> You made the ridiculous claim; you prove it. Tacking weasel words onto
>> your silly hyperbole doesn't make it any less silly.

Jeff Goslin wrote:
> Well, you're so invested in making me look like an idiot ....

Quit projecting.
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On Wed, 30 Mar 2005 02:41:52 -0500, "Jeff Goslin"
<autockr@comcast.net> carved upon a tablet of ether:

> "Rupert Boleyn" <rboleyn@paradise.net.nz> wrote in message
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> > Jeff, you do realise that the primary cause of extinction of species
> > at Homo sapiens sapiens' hands is habitat destruction, yes? Hyenas are
> > a threat to lions in a similar way - they are direct competition for
> > the same resource.
>
> ??? What the hell are you talking about? Humans are in direct competition
> with lions for antelope??? That might have been the case 50K years ago, but
> not now. It's a rather staggering non sequitor to claim that the two types
> of resource competition are the same, humans vs lions for space and hyenas
> vs lions for food.

Another one who can't tell simile from metaphor, I see. I didn't say
'the same', I said 'similar'.

> "When possible", which is the only reason they actually manage to steal food
> from lions. Also, female lions are fully capable of kicking the snot out of
> single hyenas. It's the five on ones they can't handle.

And strangely enough, the hyenas work in groups. Sometimes there are
enough lionesses on hand, and the hyenas can't steal the kill, or get
driven off their kill. Other times it's the reverse. You seem to think
the hyenas always loose or something, but it's just not the case. In
fact, the major reason lions do more stealing is because male lions
are just too big for hyenas to handle. The lionesses just aren't up to
it most of the time.

> You didn't actually watch the movie, did you? That's the only explanation
> for such a comment.

Yes, I did.


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On Tue, 29 Mar 2005 22:36:23 -0800, "Malachias Invictus"
<capt_malachias@hotmail.com> carved upon a tablet of ether:

> Last time I checked, cows with horns were generally called "bulls". I have
> never met anyone who would feel safe approaching a bull in the way you
> describe.

Actually, both cows and bulls may, or may not, have horns. Most breeds
of cattle have horns, those that do not are often called 'polled'
breeds (Polled Angus, for example). However, horns are commonly either
removed when the animal is young, or prevented from growing for reason
of saftey (for humans) and convenience (cattle with horns tend to
bruise each's meat somewhat). Bulls often avoid this because nobody
expects to handle them much, so they don't bother removing the horns.

Even without horns a head-bash from a cow will flatten a big man. A
proper head-butt will wind you, or worse. With horns you get holes put
in you as well (and as the animal's skull will be heavier to support
the horns, you'll probably be more bruised and battered as well, just
to add insult to injury).


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"Rupert Boleyn" <rboleyn@paradise.net.nz> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 29 Mar 2005 22:36:23 -0800, "Malachias Invictus"
> <capt_malachias@hotmail.com> carved upon a tablet of ether:
>
>> Last time I checked, cows with horns were generally called "bulls". I
>> have
>> never met anyone who would feel safe approaching a bull in the way you
>> describe.
>
> Actually, both cows and bulls may, or may not, have horns.

That is why I said "generally". Of course, right after I sent that, I
*knew* I should have explained it better. Sorry about that.

> Most breeds of cattle have horns, those that do not are often called
> 'polled'
> breeds (Polled Angus, for example). However, horns are commonly either
> removed when the animal is young, or prevented from growing for reason
> of saftey (for humans) and convenience (cattle with horns tend to
> bruise each's meat somewhat). Bulls often avoid this because nobody
> expects to handle them much, so they don't bother removing the horns.

Now *that* I did not know. Thanks for the information.

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On Wed, 30 Mar 2005 03:02:31 -0500, "Jeff Goslin"
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> You ... are... *RETARDED*... if you think your vision of africa even
> REMOTELY resembles reality.

And I find yours just as suspect, seeing as you've spent five years in
South Africa, but you don't mention spending time anywhere else. South
Africa is a small part of sub-Saharan Africa, and not necessarily
representative.


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"Rupert Boleyn" <rboleyn@paradise.net.nz> wrote in message
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> On Wed, 30 Mar 2005 03:02:31 -0500, "Jeff Goslin"
> <autockr@comcast.net> carved upon a tablet of ether:
>
> > You ... are... *RETARDED*... if you think your vision of africa even
> > REMOTELY resembles reality.
>
> And I find yours just as suspect, seeing as you've spent five years in
> South Africa, but you don't mention spending time anywhere else. South
> Africa is a small part of sub-Saharan Africa, and not necessarily
> representative.

Which is to say that anyone living in America who hasn't lived EVERYWHERE in
America does not know what it's like to live in America, I suppose. If you
haven't lived in all of Detroit, LA, SF, NY, Miami, Seattle, Las Vegas and
every other major city in every state, you're just plain ignorant of what
it's like to live in America, by that logic.

You're right, I lived in South Africa, and have only visited 8 countries in
Africa, all in Southern Africa(except when I visited Kenya). I only
travelled around South Africa from end to end, basically, but you're right,
I didn't hit every country in the continent. My african experience is
completely suspect because I didn't visit every mud hut and shitty watering
hole, you're absolutely right.

Suffice it to say, my personal experience of living in Africa trumps the
experience of the vast majority of people who are speaking on this topic,
because unlike most people, who's experience with Africa consists of what
they read in books or see on television, I've actually been there. I'm
telling you from personal experience that this vision of wide expanses of
grasslands filled with prey animals and predators just wandering around is
NOT accurate in *ANY* way. It is very easy to make that incorrect
assumption, given the media's portrayal of the area, and it would seem that
many people have fallen for it, hook line and sinker.

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Jeff Goslin wrote:
> Which is to say that anyone living in America who hasn't lived
> EVERYWHERE in America does not know what it's like to live in America,
> I suppose. If you haven't lived in all of Detroit, LA, SF, NY, Miami,
> Seattle, Las Vegas and every other major city in every state, you're
> just plain ignorant of what it's like to live in America, by that
> logic.

I've lived in Detroit, Michigan, and San Jose, California. I also
traveled extensively around the USA when I was a child. I would
cheerfully agree that somebody who spent their whole life in Detroit
surely does /not/ know what it's like to live in San Jose or San
Francisco, and vice versa. Even within Michigan, there's a huge
difference between Detroit and Mackinac.

For example, whenever we fly through O'Hare, it always surprises me just
how /white/ Chicago is, despite the fact that it's one of the most
diverse cities in the Midwest. In Detroit, it's not unusual to hear
comments about how the damn furriners should learn to speak American,
whereas out here in California it's not unusual for me to work in groups
where I'm the only American-born white male. (My wife and I had a
chuckle the other day, because she heard a guy muttering the "damn
furriners" comment in a supermarket here.)

Each State has its own laws and its own culture. There is no cohorent
"what it's like to live in America," and you can really only understand
that on an emotional level by living in more than one State. Now,
somebody with half a brain (unlike you), might at least recognize it on
an intellectual level.

> Suffice it to say, my personal experience of living in Africa trumps
> the experience of the vast majority of people who are speaking on this
> topic ....

I might believe you, if the blinders weren't so obvious.
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> Jeff Goslin wrote:
>> Which is to say that anyone living in America who hasn't lived
>> EVERYWHERE in America does not know what it's like to live in America,
>> I suppose. If you haven't lived in all of Detroit, LA, SF, NY, Miami,
>> Seattle, Las Vegas and every other major city in every state, you're
>> just plain ignorant of what it's like to live in America, by that
>> logic.
>
> I've lived in Detroit, Michigan, and San Jose, California. I also
> traveled extensively around the USA when I was a child. I would
> cheerfully agree that somebody who spent their whole life in Detroit
> surely does /not/ know what it's like to live in San Jose or San
> Francisco, and vice versa. Even within Michigan, there's a huge
> difference between Detroit and Mackinac.

Hell, the Bay Area and Sacramento are vastly different, and they are right
next to each other. Subsets of those areas can even be vastly different.

> Each State has its own laws and its own culture. There is no cohorent
> "what it's like to live in America,"

You hit the anil right on the head.

>> Suffice it to say, my personal experience of living in Africa trumps
>> the experience of the vast majority of people who are speaking on this
>> topic ....
>
> I might believe you, if the blinders weren't so obvious.

"Trumps". Pull the other one, Humpty.

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It matters not how strait the gate,
How charged with punishment the scroll,
I am the Master of my fate:
I am the Captain of my soul.

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Jeff Goslin wrote:
>>> Which is to say that anyone living in America who hasn't lived
>>> EVERYWHERE in America does not know what it's like to live in America,
>>> I suppose ....

Bradd wrote:
>> I've lived in Detroit, Michigan, and San Jose, California. I also
>> traveled extensively around the USA when I was a child. I would
>> cheerfully agree that somebody who spent their whole life in Detroit
>> surely does /not/ know what it's like to live in San Jose ....

Malachias Invictus wrote:
> Hell, the Bay Area and Sacramento are vastly different, and they are
> right next to each other. Subsets of those areas can even be vastly
> different.

Definitely. San Jose is only an hour's drive from San Francisco and
Santa Cruz, and all three have distinct cultures based on the little
time I've spent in the latter two cities. SJ's "sprawling industrial"
culture actually reminds me of the Detroit suburbs, or at least it would
if it weren't for the huge ethnic differences. SF has more of a big-city
feel, and SC is a bizarre mixture of industry, tourism, agriculture,
retail, and urban decay. The closest comparison my Midwestern-raised
brain can make is "Mackinac, only bigger, with mountains."

The differences are apparent right down to silly little things like
street signs. Where I grew up, everything's named after French and
English settlers, with more recent places named after German and Polish
immigrants. Out here, everything's named after Spanish explorers and
tech-industry founders.

On some level, I suppose you could get a sense of "living in America,"
from the boob tube if nothing else. But places like San Francisco and
Gaylord Michigan are so vastly different that it's just crazy talk to
claim they're even remotely the same culture. Paris and New York
probably have more in common.
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Bradd wrote:
>> That's not what you claimed, liar. You said 10 to 1. You were off by
>> almost a whole order of magnitude this time.

Jeff Goslin wrote:
> I suggest you return to reading comprehension 101 and bone up a bit.
> I never claimed that.

Bullshit.

> However, all that aside, no numbers were given to indicate adult male
> to female ratios, which is what I was clearly referring to.

Speaking of reading comprehension: How did you miss the part where it
specifically stated that there were 2.1 adult females for every adult
male?

> This time, you might want to ACTUALLY prove me wrong instead of
> claiming victory without actually showing up to the fight.

Good grief, you're even more delusional than usual.
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On Wed, 30 Mar 2005 15:38:42 -0800, "Malachias Invictus"
<capt_malachias@hotmail.com> scribed into the ether:

>
>"Bradd W. Szonye" <bradd+news@szonye.com> wrote in message
>news:slrnd4mbtn.nrj.bradd+news@szonye.com...
>> Jeff Goslin wrote:
>>> Which is to say that anyone living in America who hasn't lived
>>> EVERYWHERE in America does not know what it's like to live in America,
>>> I suppose. If you haven't lived in all of Detroit, LA, SF, NY, Miami,
>>> Seattle, Las Vegas and every other major city in every state, you're
>>> just plain ignorant of what it's like to live in America, by that
>>> logic.
>>
>> I've lived in Detroit, Michigan, and San Jose, California. I also
>> traveled extensively around the USA when I was a child. I would
>> cheerfully agree that somebody who spent their whole life in Detroit
>> surely does /not/ know what it's like to live in San Jose or San
>> Francisco, and vice versa. Even within Michigan, there's a huge
>> difference between Detroit and Mackinac.
>
>Hell, the Bay Area and Sacramento are vastly different, and they are right
>next to each other. Subsets of those areas can even be vastly different.

Sacramento would be a toilet even if it weren't for all the politicians
there. Horrible place, especially in the summer.