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Am I really unlucky to have 3 new hard drives fail in as many years? Ok one
of them was the replacement for the first so can't be called new.. but this
is rediculous!

Anyway, I'm looking for a program that I can use to copy as much data across
to another drive as possible, that would run in dos or equivalent. (since
this drive went bad I can't get into windows without disabling it).
something like badcopy I assume (but not for windows!)

Cheers,
Chris

ps any ideas why these drives might be failing? (other than being made by
maxtor!) they have been used in different systems, but are often used for
working with large (sets of) files, such as dvd-style videos, or many
thousands of files (mp3s) which are defragged often (taking up many hours of
constant activity).
 
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>Am I really unlucky to have 3 new hard drives fail in as many years? Ok one
>of them was the replacement for the first so can't be called new.. but this
>is rediculous!
>
>Anyway, I'm looking for a program that I can use to copy as much data across
>to another drive as possible, that would run in dos or equivalent. (since
>this drive went bad I can't get into windows without disabling it).
>something like badcopy I assume (but not for windows!)
>
>Cheers,
>Chris
>
>ps any ideas why these drives might be failing? (other than being made by
>maxtor!) they have been used in different systems, but are often used for
>working with large (sets of) files, such as dvd-style videos, or many
>thousands of files (mp3s) which are defragged often (taking up many hours of
>constant activity).
>
>
>
Vibration and heat are the drives biggest enemies. Having a hot drive
right next to a shaky CD-ROM drive can kill it fast.
 
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"Andrew J" <ajpk3@hotmail.comremove> wrote in message
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> >Am I really unlucky to have 3 new hard drives fail in as many years? Ok
one
> >of them was the replacement for the first so can't be called new.. but
this
> >is rediculous!
> >
> >ps any ideas why these drives might be failing? (other than being made by
> >maxtor!) they have been used in different systems, but are often used for
> >working with large (sets of) files, such as dvd-style videos, or many
> >thousands of files (mp3s) which are defragged often (taking up many hours
of
> >constant activity).

> Vibration and heat are the drives biggest enemies. Having a hot drive
> right next to a shaky CD-ROM drive can kill it fast.

Aye I'm definately guilty of not thinking about that kind of thing. 2 HD's
and 2 dvd drives in a fairly small box won't help.

Cheers,
Chris
 
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Not Me wrote:
>
> Aye I'm definately guilty of not thinking about that kind of thing. 2 HD's
> and 2 dvd drives in a fairly small box won't help.


If you've got 2 drives, make sure you leave at least an inch or so of
space between them. Unless you've got a fan blowing right on them,
stacking them right on top of eachother is a near guarantee for
premature failure.


-WD
 
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Get a Western Digital; you'll be much happier.

--
DaveW



"Not Me" <Not.Me@faker.fake.fa.kee> wrote in message
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> Am I really unlucky to have 3 new hard drives fail in as many years? Ok
one
> of them was the replacement for the first so can't be called new.. but
this
> is rediculous!
>
> Anyway, I'm looking for a program that I can use to copy as much data
across
> to another drive as possible, that would run in dos or equivalent. (since
> this drive went bad I can't get into windows without disabling it).
> something like badcopy I assume (but not for windows!)
>
> Cheers,
> Chris
>
> ps any ideas why these drives might be failing? (other than being made by
> maxtor!) they have been used in different systems, but are often used for
> working with large (sets of) files, such as dvd-style videos, or many
> thousands of files (mp3s) which are defragged often (taking up many hours
of
> constant activity).
>
>
>
>
>
 
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I recently did a few changes to my HD setup that made quite a difference in
the temps. In the first scenario, I had my slower HD (5400) on top of the
faster one (7200), and they were in a 2 bay "rack" (4 sided metal box from a
old case). Temps on the 7200 rpm drive were pushing 55, and felt quite
warm. I knew I had to do something to cool them down, and didn't feel like
drilling holes for a cooling fan. So I pulled out the 5400 rpm drive, and
set the 7200 on a foam pad (to keep the noise down). That dropped the temps
down to under 50 consistently, which was good. Finally, I took a 3 bay rack
that had no top on it, put the 7200 rpm drive on very top, and the 5400 rpm
drive on the bottom. The 7200 rpm drive has been sitting at under 43
degrees all day, including a 30 minute defrag session.

So yeah, splitting them up seems to make a large difference. That's cool
enough for me now that I don't think I need to put in a fan, which is good
news.

Clint

"Will Dormann" <wdormann@yahoo.com.invalid> wrote in message
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> Not Me wrote:
> >
> > Aye I'm definately guilty of not thinking about that kind of thing. 2
HD's
> > and 2 dvd drives in a fairly small box won't help.
>
>
> If you've got 2 drives, make sure you leave at least an inch or so of
> space between them. Unless you've got a fan blowing right on them,
> stacking them right on top of eachother is a near guarantee for
> premature failure.
>
>
> -WD
 
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Clint wrote:

> I recently did a few changes to my HD setup that made quite a difference in
> the temps. In the first scenario, I had my slower HD (5400) on top of the
> faster one (7200), and they were in a 2 bay "rack" (4 sided metal box from a
> old case). Temps on the 7200 rpm drive were pushing 55, and felt quite
> warm. I knew I had to do something to cool them down, and didn't feel like
> drilling holes for a cooling fan. So I pulled out the 5400 rpm drive, and
> set the 7200 on a foam pad (to keep the noise down). That dropped the temps
> down to under 50 consistently, which was good. Finally, I took a 3 bay rack
> that had no top on it, put the 7200 rpm drive on very top, and the 5400 rpm
> drive on the bottom. The 7200 rpm drive has been sitting at under 43
> degrees all day, including a 30 minute defrag session.
>
> So yeah, splitting them up seems to make a large difference. That's cool
> enough for me now that I don't think I need to put in a fan, which is good
> news.

Sounds good. I think the recommended temps are 45C or less. Beyond
50C and the drive's lifespan will shorten.


-WD
 
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That's a lot of drives in a relatively short time. I would say 'bad
luck' but there is something not quite right here. Are these mounted
in a MINI ATX case? I have seen a little out of the ordinary mortality
rate when they are jammed into these less than perfect cooling cases.


"Not Me" <Not.Me@faker.fake.fa.kee> wrote in message
news:c6lff4$da2$1@ucsnew1.ncl.ac.uk...
> Am I really unlucky to have 3 new hard drives fail in as many years?
Ok one
> of them was the replacement for the first so can't be called new..
but this
> is rediculous!
>
> Anyway, I'm looking for a program that I can use to copy as much
data across
> to another drive as possible, that would run in dos or equivalent.
(since
> this drive went bad I can't get into windows without disabling it).
> something like badcopy I assume (but not for windows!)
>
> Cheers,
> Chris
>
> ps any ideas why these drives might be failing? (other than being
made by
> maxtor!) they have been used in different systems, but are often
used for
> working with large (sets of) files, such as dvd-style videos, or
many
> thousands of files (mp3s) which are defragged often (taking up many
hours of
> constant activity).
>
>
>
>
>
 
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"JAD" <jdemma25@eartink.net> wrote in message
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> That's a lot of drives in a relatively short time. I would say 'bad
> luck' but there is something not quite right here. Are these mounted
> in a MINI ATX case? I have seen a little out of the ordinary mortality
> rate when they are jammed into these less than perfect cooling cases.

Forgive me, the most recent failure was an IBM, and yay it's actually got a
month left in warranty, so things could be worse (lost hundreds of photos
tho damnit!)

Well they've been through at least 2 cases, the most current one is quite on
the small side, with 4 drives, floppy, sound+vga card, usb card, and tv card
things were getting a little cramped!. The 2 7200rpm drives and a floppy
were mounted on top of each other, so I guess I'll try to find a new space
for them in future!

Cheers,
Chris
 
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On Wed, 28 Apr 2004 02:01:58 GMT, Will Dormann
<wdormann@yahoo.com.invalid> wrote:

>Clint wrote:
>
[snip stuff about cooling hd's]
>>
>> So yeah, splitting them up seems to make a large difference. That's cool
>> enough for me now that I don't think I need to put in a fan, which is good
>> news.
>
>Sounds good. I think the recommended temps are 45C or less. Beyond
>50C and the drive's lifespan will shorten.
>
>
>-WD

That's why I like the Sonata - nothing like a 120mm fan right
next to the hd rack to keep their temps in order.

Vic.
 
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In article <qgEjc.31394$Vp5.30038@fe2.columbus.rr.com>,
wdormann@yahoo.com.invalid says...
> Clint wrote:
>
> > I recently did a few changes to my HD setup that made quite a difference in
> > the temps. In the first scenario, I had my slower HD (5400) on top of the
> > faster one (7200), and they were in a 2 bay "rack" (4 sided metal box from a
> > old case). Temps on the 7200 rpm drive were pushing 55, and felt quite
> > warm. I knew I had to do something to cool them down, and didn't feel like
> > drilling holes for a cooling fan. So I pulled out the 5400 rpm drive, and
> > set the 7200 on a foam pad (to keep the noise down). That dropped the temps
> > down to under 50 consistently, which was good. Finally, I took a 3 bay rack
> > that had no top on it, put the 7200 rpm drive on very top, and the 5400 rpm
> > drive on the bottom. The 7200 rpm drive has been sitting at under 43
> > degrees all day, including a 30 minute defrag session.
> >
> > So yeah, splitting them up seems to make a large difference. That's cool
> > enough for me now that I don't think I need to put in a fan, which is good
> > news.
>
> Sounds good. I think the recommended temps are 45C or less. Beyond
> 50C and the drive's lifespan will shorten.
>
>
> -WD
>
I recently looked at the Seagate site for temp recommendations. They
say their newer drives are built to be happy up to 60c, while their
older ones should not go above 45c.

Louise
 
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Drive Image 7.0 works very well for copying one partition on a hard drive
and creating an identical partition on a second hard drive.


"Matt" <matt@themattfella.zzzz.com> wrote in message
news:BkCjc.2846$fQ7.1194@news02.roc.ny...
> Not Me wrote:
> > Am I really unlucky to have 3 new hard drives fail in as many years? Ok
one
> > of them was the replacement for the first so can't be called new.. but
this
> > is rediculous!
> >
> > Anyway, I'm looking for a program that I can use to copy as much data
across
> > to another drive as possible, that would run in dos or equivalent.
(since
> > this drive went bad I can't get into windows without disabling it).
> > something like badcopy I assume (but not for windows!)
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Chris
> >
> > ps any ideas why these drives might be failing? (other than being made
by
> > maxtor!) they have been used in different systems, but are often used
for
> > working with large (sets of) files, such as dvd-style videos, or many
> > thousands of files (mp3s) which are defragged often (taking up many
hours of
> > constant activity).
>
> Maybe you just worked those drives to death. Your description of their
> workload was not overly quantitative.
>
> It wouldn't be sensible for you to try another Maxtor.
>
 
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