[SOLVED] Any chance Win 11 will be less heavy handed than 10?

[mike the car guy]

A dumb question I'm sure, but I've always told people the dumbest question is the one unasked, just in case the assumption is wrong.

Anyway, any chance 11 will be less heavy handed than 10? The constant "upgrades" The not working until upgrades it has downloaded, without notice, are installed. The changing of settings, without notice. I would like the system to just work until I tell it to do something different, not constantly tweak itself because because some guy in Redmond thinks it's a good idea.

 

[rgd1101]

would be the same if not worst

 

[USAFRet]

A dumb question I'm sure, but I've always told people the dumbest question is the one unasked, just in case the assumption is wrong.

Anyway, any chance 11 will be less heavy handed than 10? The constant "upgrades" The not working until upgrades it has downloaded, without notice, are installed. The changing of settings, without notice. I would like the system to just work until I tell it to do something different, not constantly tweak itself because because some guy in Redmond thinks it's a good idea.

Upgrades will be the same.
For what is often a good reason. Sometimes not, though.

Telemetry will be the same as Win 7/8/10.

 

[mike the car guy]

I have to admit I was expecting the above answers, but I was hoping it wouldn't be quite so heavy handed.

 

[USAFRet]

I have to admit I was expecting the above, but I was hoping it wouldn't be quite so heavy handed.

The Forced Update thing in Win 10 is a direct result of the Not Forced Update in Win 8 and previous, and the widespread virus, botnets, and ransomware attacks.

 

[mike the car guy]

The Forced Update thing in Win 10 is a direct result of the Not Forced Update in Win 8 and previous, and the widespread virus, botnets, and ransomware attacks.

Maybe somewhat, but a lot of it is just crap because they can. Once upon a time there were updates and high priority or security updates. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe all that went away with Win 10. Everything, like it or not. Unless you're on an enterprise version IIRC.

 

[USAFRet]

Maybe somewhat, but a lot of it is just crap because they can. Once upon a time there were updates and high priority or security updates. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe all that went away with Win 10. Everything, like it or not. Unless you're on an enterprise version IIRC.

Win Win 8 and earlier, you could trivially stop updates completely.
Many people did.
"My neighbors son Jimmy, who is good with computers, said we should do that because blah de blah."

Many people did.

Resulting in things like the WannaCry ransomware.
MS gets yelled at for allowing that to happen.
MS published a patch for that 2 months before it went public. The vast majority of affected systems were the Unpatched.

Enter WIn 10.
You get Updates, whether you want them or not.

MS gets yelled at again.


Yes, with Win 10, you also get the semi annual feature updates.
Personally, I've not had a single bad result, on any of my systems, from any of those updates. Going all the way back to the Day 1 of the original Tech Preview.

There have been quite a few changes behind the scenes within Win 10 over the years. That was included in those semi annual updates.
Not much different than Service Packs in previous Windows versions.

 

[mike the car guy]

USAFRet, I know you know a whole lot more than I do and I appreciate your feedback, I really do.

But I've found 10 to be exasperating, the only MS OS that makes me want to scream and I've been on PCs since DOS 3.5. Updates on other OS were no problem, but 10 is heavy handed and often seems to make things worse. I've actually been waiting for a new OS to appear, confident that it would in spite of their claims 10 was the last. And hopeful, but not optimistic that 11 would be better once it was announced/leaked. Oh well I'm used to not getting what I want.

 

[USAFRet]

"Windows 10 is the last OS"....

The Win 10 we have today is NOT the same Win 10 we had in 2016, 2017, 2018, etc.
Just like Service Packs in previous.
Win 7 SP1 was not the same Win 7 as was released originally.

Win 11 is basically Win 10 SP1.
Just another name.

They can't really back off from the update thing. The attack landscape has changed, and security needs to be pushed.
The feature updates....well, again, basically Service Packs.

 

[USAFRet]

Updates on other OS were no problem

Rose colored glasses.

Many many issues with previous service packs.
"many many", being some small subset of the user base, that was loudly trumpeted by the media.
"OMG!, It will kill your data!"

Every update, in every OS causes issues with some subset.
Windows, Apple, Linux, etc.
Every update, in the history of ever.

 

[mike the car guy]

Rose colored glasses.

Many many issues with previous service packs...

OK, let me rephrase it. I've never had problems with updates on other OS. Just 10.

Thanks again for sharing your knowledge.

 

[Colif]

Anyway, any chance 11 will be less heavy handed than 10? The constant "upgrades" The not working until upgrades it has downloaded, without notice, are installed. The changing of settings, without notice. I would like the system to just work until I tell it to do something different, not constantly tweak itself because because some guy in Redmond thinks it's a good idea.

Monthly cumulative likely to still happen
Version updates, that change the actual version from say 21H1 to 21H2, will be yearly.

Windows 11 will have an annual feature update cadence, a change from the semi-annual cadence of Windows 10. Windows 11 feature updates will release in the second half of the calendar year and will come with 24 months of support for Home, Pro, Pro for Workstations, and Pro Education editions.

https://techcommunity.microsoft.com...s-lifecycle-and-servicing-update/ba-p/2493043

More chance to actually improve features if you have a year to do it. Less disruption of users as they only have 1 reinstall of windows per year.

 

[alceryes]

Microsoft can patch every other day as far as I am concerned. IF THE PATCHING DOESN'T BREAK THINGS.
My whole issue with forced patches is that Microsoft's QC has become a dumpster fire. Microsoft needs to throw a whole lot more resources (money, people...both) at making sure their patches DON'T break things, if they're going to force them.

A little over 3 months ago Microsoft released a Microsoft Outlook patch that broke Outlook for tens (if not hundreds) of thousands of people who were on the very latest (non-beta) Outlook. On a Tuesday - mid-work day! This patch NEVER went though 'real' QC because if it did it would've never been released. <--- That, specifically, is my issue with forced patches.

 

[mike the car guy]

https://techcommunity.microsoft.com...s-lifecycle-and-servicing-update/ba-p/2493043

Interesting, that does make it sound like it will be more user friendly than 10, much to my surprise. Now if they actually stick with it may be a different story, but it sounds like at least they are aware that not everyone likes the current way they are handling it.