Aperture Grille and Conventional

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What are the differences between AG and Conventional? Which one is better? Monitors are Sony and Viewsonic (AG)-- LG Flatron (conventional)
 
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Here are the main differences. The ag monitors use the sony trinitron tube and have a thin wire mesh (or grille) that is used to align the electron guns. They also have truly flat screens.

Conventional monitors, on the other hand, have curved (however slightly) screens, and don't have the grille.

The results are these:

The ag monitors will have two very thin grey lines across the screen. These are only noticeable on a white screen (ie, a ms word document), but are otherwise invisible. The ag monitors also tend to have much more vibrant colours, while the conventional monitors usually display slightly better greyscale.

I personally have a KDS Avitron, which is a 19" ag monitor with a .24 mm dp. I love it.

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How come the LG Flatron 915ft Plus says it's a perfect flat screen inside and outside? According to what you said, they must be liars. Is that true? I consider of buying one of these monitors. Thanks for the advice though!
 
Both kind of monitors can be "perfectly flat" or not. The flatness of the monitor is not dependent on the grille used, more like how much you want to spend on the monitor. I have seen "vertically flat" aperture-grille and shadow-mask monitors as well as "perfectly flat" AG and SM monitors.

It all comes down to the engineering of the tube. It is easier to focus an electron beam on a slightly curved screen than on a flat one. One way around this is to have the outside of the tube flat, while putting a slight curve on the inside of the screen where the beam hits the glass. In addition to making the electron gun more complicated, a flat screen requires more glass to prevent it from caving in - a curved glass acts like an arch to support some of the forces.

The best advice I can give for buying a monitor is to show up at a store that has good selection on display, and ask the salesperson to show you some monitors you are thinking about. Open up a variety of applications and see how the displays compare. Remember, the monitor is what you will be looking at, so find one that looks good to you. Even if you don't buy from that store, the experience you gain is well worth it.

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They [the LG Flatron] are flat and they are NOT conventional - actually they are stripe pitch slot mask - and without damper wires (I hate them, so no Sony or AG monitors to me).
I have one and it is the best CRT I've ever seen.

Arbee

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AG are considered better, specially due to the more vibrant colors. It seems they are not quite as good in text as traditional monitors.

Nevertheless all monitors you refered are AG - the Flatron is an AG monitor - despite lacking the stupid damper wires - trully flat - at least in the outside, and LG claims the inside also flat (and I'm not going to open mine to check that 😉).

As I've already said, IMHO the Flatron is the best CRT available - but regarding monitors I'm a bit price insensitive. And always try before you buy a monitor.


Cheers,

Arbee
 
I never notice the wires, until somebody mentions them. Then, reflex action makes me look.

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Yeah, it is a very personal effect. Some people never notice them, other can't stand them. Also the visibility varies from monitor to monitor.
I had a 15" Sony monitor for a few years (that was about 7 years ago). At the begining I didn't really noticed the wires, but as time went by I started to dislike them, and now I simply wouldn't buy a monitor with the damper wires visible. Nevertheless it is a personal effect.
But otherwise it was a great monitor (for that time).
 
You are right!!!! It's very hard to make perfectly flat monitors! Especailly for company like Samsung!!!! SAMSUNG MUST DIE! No one told that cheap pf monitors have distorions(19" , dynaflat and only $350)! I have about 2mm bottom distorion! I don't share opinion that AG are have more vivid screens, because my friend owns Viewsonic ps790, from professional series, should be kick ass(I don't know, but even at 1024x768 res. see a thick vertical black line going across, I have shadow mask, but I see horizontal..thin line at 640x480 when picure is white, why?), but colors are not..vivid..my opinion..one thing I know he has a REALLY god refresh rate - 96Hz at 1600x1200(I have only 70 at the same res.)! You mentioned all kinds of flatness, what about dynaflat? And do plasma gas use pixels? If there is gas inside then it should be perfectly smooth, not pixels..I think..maybe! Well anyway, DO NOT BUY SAMSUNG DF SERIES LIKE 955DF and 755DF!!! I even want to go back to my 17" curved shadow mask Tatung [-peep-], that has very bad picure but NO DISTORTION!!! I think distortion is the worst problem that can ever happen!
 
I don't see how a shadow mask CRT can give better grey scale, and while AG allowed for a brighter picture when it first came out, because tensioned wires can be thinner than a shadow mask, better materials may have overcome this for shadow masks.
 
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