Apple’s New MacBook Pros Go Up to Core i9, 32GB of RAM

[jn77]

for $6699 fully loaded, I can Eurocom X9C fully loaded with 64GB of DD4, 2 1080's with 8gb ram each, a 4k display, at least 1 or 2 1TB NVME drives with 3 drives to spare and and a 780w power supply That is why Apple is LOL.

 

[Finstar]

for $6699 fully loaded, I can Eurocom X9C fully loaded with 64GB of DD4, 2 1080's with 8gb ram each, a 4k display, at least 1 or 2 1TB NVME drives with 3 drives to spare and and a 780w power supply That is why Apple is LOL.

And does it fit into your backpack?
How's the battery life?
How fast would it render a 10 minute video in Final cut pro x?

 

[Finstar]

Sorry that's rubbish. Most content creators prefer workstation DRIVERS over standard ones, and any standard gaming card can be flashed with WS firmware and get all the performance benefits of it's workstation equivalent barring ECC (which only matters for week long renders.. if you need that you've got the money not to care). Funny because in the workstation market, a flashed 1060 will perform better than a unflashed 1080ti. You buy that flashed 1060 from NV, then it's called a P4000 and costs £800.

I can totally imagine a company in need of new workstations buying bunch of crappy gaming laptops and flashing WS firmware on them to save some cash instead of just buying proper workstations with proper support and ws class build quality. LUL

 

[WyomingKnott]

Well, I've been here for some time, so you can assume (correctly) that I have a solid grounding in Windows.
I'm a software developer, not content developer, at an SAAS startup. Even the just-before-this MacBook Pros untethered us from our desktops, although 32 GB would have been awesome and the picture bar on the keyboard is poopoo. Meanwhile, the machine on my desktop is wasting two workstation graphics cards (I wonder if IT should set up a corporate mining pool?). So this machine is fairly nice for me. No more remote-control from home; now I can work on the MacBook.

 

[dingo07]

All you PC fanboi's can go pound sand... I'm forever a PC geek, but I NEED a MacBook Pro to do my daily job. Why is that you ask? Because the control software that I need to be able to program/troubleshoot only runs on Mac and is Mac based - its called Savant. Take your heads out of the sand for a minute and you'll see a beautiful blue sky that has both Windows and Mac in it. Not just one or the other, now go run home and play your video games...

 

[danwat1234]

Unfortunately APPLE is tricking it's customers with the i9 or even the i7 models but especially the i9. The news is spreading on the internet. It is throttling VERY heavily under full load. It is obvious why. Thin laptop, quiet laptop, high-end CPU, physics.
Will Apple admit their mistake?

 

[genz]

for $6699 fully loaded, I can Eurocom X9C fully loaded with 64GB of DD4, 2 1080's with 8gb ram each, a 4k display, at least 1 or 2 1TB NVME drives with 3 drives to spare and and a 780w power supply That is why Apple is LOL.

Yes, and let's see how long it runs away from the wall at full whack. Even with Power settings on battery saving. My guess is 15mins.... while toasting your lap.

You simply cannot make a 780W device sit on your lap without LN2. It would peel your skin.

Well, I've been here for some time, so you can assume (correctly) that I have a solid grounding in Windows.
I'm a software developer, not content developer, at an SAAS startup. Even the just-before-this MacBook Pros untethered us from our desktops, although 32 GB would have been awesome and the picture bar on the keyboard is poopoo. Meanwhile, the machine on my desktop is wasting two workstation graphics cards (I wonder if IT should set up a corporate mining pool?). So this machine is fairly nice for me. No more remote-control from home; now I can work on the MacBook.

^This. And if he was a content developer using say, Adobe AE, he would still be able to use his desktop as a render target and do final renders of his work whilst at work on the most powerful system in the room, or even all systems in the room simultaneously using nodes.

Unfortunately APPLE is tricking it's customers with the i9 or even the i7 models but especially the i9. The news is spreading on the internet. It is throttling VERY heavily under full load. It is obvious why. Thin laptop, quiet laptop, high-end CPU, physics.
Will Apple admit their mistake?

This is a genuine and valid criticism of Apple that you and I share: the MBP cooling system is abysmal, and I reckon they get a lot of refunds and damages claims due to this already. We could all probably go on ad infinitum about the actual design of the MBP which is pretty old, but we both know it's because Apple atm just want a 95% battery device that is somewhat thinner than the last.

Google MBP Radeon recall, or MBP heat issues and you'll see it's long been a criticism of the thing.

Sorry that's rubbish. Most content creators prefer workstation DRIVERS over standard ones, and any standard gaming card can be flashed with WS firmware and get all the performance benefits of it's workstation equivalent barring ECC (which only matters for week long renders.. if you need that you've got the money not to care). Funny because in the workstation market, a flashed 1060 will perform better than a unflashed 1080ti. You buy that flashed 1060 from NV, then it's called a P4000 and costs £800.

I can totally imagine a company in need of new workstations buying bunch of crappy gaming laptops and flashing WS firmware on them to save some cash instead of just buying proper workstations with proper support and ws class build quality. LUL

Sorry that's rubbish. Most content creators prefer workstation DRIVERS over standard ones, and any standard gaming card can be flashed with WS firmware and get all the performance benefits of it's workstation equivalent barring ECC (which only matters for week long renders.. if you need that you've got the money not to care). Funny because in the workstation market, a flashed 1060 will perform better than a unflashed 1080ti. You buy that flashed 1060 from NV, then it's called a P4000 and costs £800.

I can totally imagine a company in need of new workstations buying bunch of crappy gaming laptops and flashing WS firmware on them to save some cash instead of just buying proper workstations with proper support and ws class build quality. LUL

Err whilst you can't with laptops, I assisted in kitting out an entire A/V college in London with BitFenix cased 'Mac Pros' using GTX760s years ago. Their needs included Premier Pro and Logic for their hundreds of students... In fact, have a look at 'Mac GPU' on eBay and there are more flashed cards than not... all fully working and fully supported by their manufacturers.

You make a few mistakes in your statement: That flashing is for EFI boot sequence support, so it's so they can see the Mac logo at startup, a standard card will work just as well with a faked Device ID in booter, which can be left on the OS image, saving the entire building perhaps £1400 per card and disallowing any students from using Option-Boot. Can't load an OS from a pen drive and compromise security... with the SLA and support provided by a third party that actually has time for a sub-1000 system deployment and is locally based, or in house:- This is why all companies hire engineers, not just engineering companies.

Nobody said laptops; they use Nvidia Optimus for GPU/iGPU switching which is completely incompatible with Macs, unless you go very very custom and opt out of an IGPU. Simply put, you'll need that Eurocom X9C to manage the heat because the GPU will not turn off when not in use.

Seriously, its a BIOS update in another form. You think Companies don't standardise firmware across systems when they receive large batches of hardware? Go read Backblaze's blogs.

 

[bobba84]

Good luck getting it to run at full speed for more than 3 seconds, unless you like in an igloo.

 

[mlee 2500]

Seems to me that maybe this product would make more sense with a docking station, maybe one which somehow provided additional cooling magic. Then you could run sustained, heavy workloads from your desk and primary monitor, while still having the same machine/OS instance everywhere you go (even if it does throttle whenever you're not docked and "on the move").

Of course, Apple would never do a docking station because that would be the antithesis of Apple's notion that "minimalist simplicity somehow equals having to carry and use a boatload of adapter cables".

 

[Finstar]

Err whilst you can't with laptops, I assisted in kitting out an entire A/V college in London with BitFenix cased 'Mac Pros' using GTX760s years ago. Their needs included Premier Pro and Logic for their hundreds of students... In fact, have a look at 'Mac GPU' on eBay and there are more flashed cards than not... all fully working and fully supported by their manufacturers.

You make a few mistakes in your statement: That flashing is for EFI boot sequence support, so it's so they can see the Mac logo at startup, a standard card will work just as well with a faked Device ID in booter, which can be left on the OS image, saving the entire building perhaps £1400 per card and disallowing any students from using Option-Boot. Can't load an OS from a pen drive and compromise security... with the SLA and support provided by a third party that actually has time for a sub-1000 system deployment and is locally based, or in house:- This is why all companies hire engineers, not just engineering companies.

Nobody said laptops; they use Nvidia Optimus for GPU/iGPU switching which is completely incompatible with Macs, unless you go very very custom and opt out of an IGPU. Simply put, you'll need that Eurocom X9C to manage the heat because the GPU will not turn off when not in use.

Seriously, its a BIOS update in another form. You think Companies don't standardise firmware across systems when they receive large batches of hardware? Go read Backblaze's blogs.

All i can say is that i'd hate to be a student in that college. When i was studying server technology we had systems formed from an i5 650, 8gb of single channel RAM and a 5400RPM HDD, we had to install and run at best 3 virtual servers all running domains on them and it was truly dreadful. Just the installation of a single Win Server 2008 + updates took a whole day on a single virtual machine, the virtual machines of course had to be installed one by one as trying to install 2 at the same time would just crash either of the installations or freeze the whole system. Back then i learned the importance of purpose built hardware.

I'm sure the students in that college would rather be using actual Macs just like i would have rather used proper server hardware back when i was studying.

 

[urbanman2004]

Apple sells devices w/ outdated specs from at least a generation ago or more and then mark up the retail price 3x to what a comparable Windows counterpart w/ the same specs would cost… How’s that even legal

 

[Finstar]

Apple sells devices w/ outdated specs from at least a generation ago or more and then mark up the retail price 3x to what a comparable Windows counterpart w/ the same specs would cost… How’s that even legal

With most color accurate displays on prebuilt there is, best built in speakers there is, solid build quality, great keyboards, insane battery life, and bunch of very useful built in software. Aside from Macs, their handheld devices lead their competition in performance by a good margin.

 

[mlee 2500]

Apple sells devices w/ outdated specs from at least a generation ago or more and then mark up the retail price 3x to what a comparable Windows counterpart w/ the same specs would cost… How’s that even legal

Well, we live in a capitalist society where markets are largely unregulated and you can charge a fortune for the lint in your pocket, if you want. Many of us think that's how it should be.

It's certainly legal, and for Apple and it's stockholders it's even good business. Not to mention there's other value add besides an Intel CPU which, best case scenario, is only ~30% faster per core today then it was five years ago, and which most of Apples customers don't need for their spreadsheet and web browsing enjoyment. It's not like it's a major gaming platform.

 

[genz]

All i can say is that i'd hate to be a student in that college. When i was studying server technology we had systems formed from an i5 650, 8gb of single channel RAM and a 5400RPM HDD, we had to install and run at best 3 virtual servers all running domains on them and it was truly dreadful. Just the installation of a single Win Server 2008 + updates took a whole day on a single virtual machine, the virtual machines of course had to be installed one by one as trying to install 2 at the same time would just crash either of the installations or freeze the whole system. Back then i learned the importance of purpose built hardware.

I'm sure the students in that college would rather be using actual Macs just like i would have rather used proper server hardware back when i was studying.

Wow. Sounds like you had bad technicians.

A VM is a full system emulation. That's a CPU, full instruction set and drivers, ACPI tables, stack, DMA, HT and SATA bus and controllers. A LOT of chips being virtualized ,hence a whole *virtual machine* in your machine. Remember Playstation emulators. Yeah. Well, they are the same, but recreating x86 so the VM processor can be in a different state to the host computer's processor.

A Hackintosh is not an emulator. It's uses tools like Wine: A hypervisored system that allows you to present an EXE with the commands it needs to run on Linux, allowing you to run Windows apps on Linux. Substitute EXE for MacOS and Linux for Intel PC and you basically have Hackintosh.

Purpose built? Everything is purpose built.

Tell me exactly the difference between the *hardware* in a Mac and a PC. Or a desktop and a Server. I'll wait.

Go on, I got popcorn already earlier.

 

[Finstar]

Wow. Sounds like you had bad technicians.

A VM is a full system emulation. That's a CPU, full instruction set and drivers, ACPI tables, stack, DMA, HT and SATA bus and controllers. A LOT of chips being virtualized ,hence a whole *virtual machine* in your machine. Remember Playstation emulators. Yeah. Well, they are the same, but recreating x86 so the VM processor can be in a different state to the host computer's processor.

A Hackintosh is not an emulator. It's uses tools like Wine: A hypervisored system that allows you to present an EXE with the commands it needs to run on Linux, allowing you to run Windows apps on Linux. Substitute EXE for MacOS and Linux for Intel PC and you basically have Hackintosh.

Purpose built? Everything is purpose built.

Tell me exactly the difference between the *hardware* in a Mac and a PC. Or a desktop and a Server. I'll wait.

Go on, I got popcorn already earlier.

I could list you a bunch of differences between Mac and PC hardware and dozen more differences between a server and a desktop.
Although you'll just skip over the meaning of PURPOSE BUILT like you did in your last mess of a reply. Obviously you could use a wrench to dig a hole even though it was never meant for that and a shovel does the job far better...
Just like how a gtx 760 was never meant to run creative programs on a Mac and a Firepro does the job far better.
Or how an i5 650 was never meant to run several VMs and a Xeon E5 does the job far better.

Someone who actually thinks that a wrench is just as good for digging as a shovel would probably be dumb enough to think that Bios flashing a gtx 1050 will somehow magically turn it into a P1000... oh wait...

 

[genz]

I could list you a bunch of differences between Mac and PC hardware and dozen more differences between a server and a desktop.

Do it then. Hardware, in IT context. Not boxes, form factors and minor things like cooling that are set and forget.

There is none. They are all x86 processors tied to devices via DSDT and drivers through exactly the same interface.

Although you'll just skip over the meaning of PURPOSE BUILT like you did in your last mess of a reply. Obviously you could use a wrench to dig a hole even though it was never meant for that and a shovel does the job far better...

You can see a wrench and see it does not fit the description of a shovel.
A wrench interfaces with a bolt.
A shovel interfaces with the dirt.
Yet a bad shovel is still a shovel.
Tell me what you can see about PC hardware that differentiates it from a server. Tell me the different applications that actually work on one but not on the other. Your school PC made a bad server. Cool. Now tell me why it wasn't a server without saying a brand name or Trademark. Bet you can't.

You cannot see the interfaces that a PC or server presents to the OS, and I can. You don't get the magic that makes computers work fundamentally must be the same or my program would not work on your computer.

This is where you can determine if a device is functionally the same thing. That is not your job. It is mine. You cannot even actually interpret what I am saying well enough to describe it, so you call it a mess.

Server/Desktop PC was a marketing term first, simply to denote they are headless a.k.a without display. All PCs were IBM compatible desktops and required a screen. Xeon was the start of a new idea 20 years later, the 'Long Life' CPU, with a long warranty and SLA. All other barriers are artificially created. Same for Mac. All barriers with the exception of SMC are artificially created and bypassable with software.

Just like how a gtx 760 was never meant to run creative programs on a Mac and a Firepro does the job far better.
Or how an i5 650 was never meant to run several VMs and a Xeon E5 does the job far better.

See. Don't know what you're talking about.

You picked a Nehalem core made 2 years before Xeon E5s were even released. That set of years, between Nehalem and Sandy is right in the biggest jump in CPU performance in history too.

You made no statement about performant behaviour. Who again, is running a VM here? You. Not me or my Macs. This is a straw man by definition but I will and am entertaining your poor trolling.

Go on Ark and look for a Xeon W5580. That's a i5 650 without the ECC and VT support burned off. Thank me later, cos you have 3 generations to go before E5. Oh, and that GTX760 is meant to, it's just got capped DP math and no ECC support. Btw ECC is restricted to Servers, because if it wasn't nobody would buy them. ECC allows you to have RAM repeaters on your mobo, which allows you to seat 2 or 3 times as many RAM cards. All that servers actually buy server hardware for is the higher RAM capacity and maybe Infinipoint... I digress.

Because

Someone who actually thinks that a wrench is just as good for digging as a shovel would probably be dumb enough to think that Bios flashing a gtx 1050 will somehow magically turn it into a P1000... oh wait...

It would, just with a few bits that rely on external chips not working, like 10 bit support and ECC. Fact is nobody knows how to do that but Nvidia though. Can and has been done for older cards though.

It even used to happen on Windows: https://archive.techarp.com/showarticle3485.html?artno=539&pgno=9