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[citation][nom]blazorthon[/nom]To everyone who has been saying this for years (such as myself). Macs were never really secure. Macs were *safe* through their relative obscurity compared to Windows, but never secure.
M$ didn't personally offer AV, but there have been PC AV companies for more than the ten years cited in how far behind Apple is. So, Apple's OS may only be as secure as XP without any SPs, but at least XP could also get an AV back then too. Sure, now there's AV for Macs too, but it probably isn't common and probably won't be common for some time now.M$ OSs have had AV available for FAR longer than Macs have. For example, even my old ME computer (bleh) that I recycled recently had AV put on it at least 10 years ago. It wasn't the first either.[/citation]
If by "M Dollar Sign" you mean Microsoft, they've been offering AV for years.
M$ didn't personally offer AV, but there have been PC AV companies for more than the ten years cited in how far behind Apple is. So, Apple's OS may only be as secure as XP without any SPs, but at least XP could also get an AV back then too. Sure, now there's AV for Macs too, but it probably isn't common and probably won't be common for some time now.M$ OSs have had AV available for FAR longer than Macs have. For example, even my old ME computer (bleh) that I recycled recently had AV put on it at least 10 years ago. It wasn't the first either.[/citation]
If by "M Dollar Sign" you mean Microsoft, they've been offering AV for years.
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[citation][nom]-Jackson[/nom]So, am I the only one who burst out laughing when I saw the title?And people used to tell me how good Apple's security was. Time to gloat at all the Apple fanboys/girls[/citation]
bassically the article is just stating facts that EVERY tech person has known for the last 30 years, apple was never good with security they just didn't have to worry about it as much, but well with sucesses like the ipod and and ipad and iphone , it's going to hit them like a nuclear bomb now.
bassically the article is just stating facts that EVERY tech person has known for the last 30 years, apple was never good with security they just didn't have to worry about it as much, but well with sucesses like the ipod and and ipad and iphone , it's going to hit them like a nuclear bomb now.
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[citation][nom]tuffjuff[/nom]If by "M Dollar Sign" you mean Microsoft, they've been offering AV for years.[/citation]
The point was that we could have AV on Windows for more than ten years, so even if Mac OS is about as secure as XP without any SPs, it still was nowhere near as secure as even XP with AV. M$ didn't supply AV themselves back then, if I remember correctly, so you had to use third party AV software. Even now, Apple still doesn't supply their own AV yet, do they?
The point was that we could have AV on Windows for more than ten years, so even if Mac OS is about as secure as XP without any SPs, it still was nowhere near as secure as even XP with AV. M$ didn't supply AV themselves back then, if I remember correctly, so you had to use third party AV software. Even now, Apple still doesn't supply their own AV yet, do they?
[citation][nom]molo9000[/nom]This is just anti virus companies trying to sell their products.Only time will tell how secure or unsecure OS X is.[/citation]
Thanks for saying it like it is. Which, of course, got you lots of thumbs down from heads-up-their sun dont shine hole Toms readers. Some guy selling security software is trying to up his market.
Thanks for saying it like it is. Which, of course, got you lots of thumbs down from heads-up-their sun dont shine hole Toms readers. Some guy selling security software is trying to up his market.
blazorthon
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[citation][nom]tmshdw[/nom]Thanks for saying it like it is. Which, of course, got you lots of thumbs down from heads-up-their sun dont shine hole Toms readers. Some guy selling security software is trying to up his market.[/citation]
We already know how insecure OSX is. That is where the thumbs down came from... We already know that OSX is insecure and whether or not an AV company is also saying it didn't effect our knowledge of this.
We already know how insecure OSX is. That is where the thumbs down came from... We already know that OSX is insecure and whether or not an AV company is also saying it didn't effect our knowledge of this.
Good to have some realistic news! It makes sense that hackers are starting to go after Mac computers now. As for long and probably still 91% is PC users, 5% is Mac OS users and 4% is other linux users.
Mac has undoubtedly been more popular in the recent years. So when hackers finally see they can actually do some damage at that community. Of course they will start making viruses for that aswell.
Like who would want to create a virus to a OS that hardly no one were using?
Hopefully they will get them self somekinda antivirus software and protect themself before it's too late!
Oh and by the way: iPoo Toilet ftw!!!
Mac has undoubtedly been more popular in the recent years. So when hackers finally see they can actually do some damage at that community. Of course they will start making viruses for that aswell.
Like who would want to create a virus to a OS that hardly no one were using?
Hopefully they will get them self somekinda antivirus software and protect themself before it's too late!
Oh and by the way: iPoo Toilet ftw!!!
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[citation][nom]leongrado[/nom]Although I have to say the opinion on Apple on Tom's Hardware is definitely biased. Come on this is a hardware site. If you own a Mac, chances are you don't give a rat's ass about hardware because you just paid 500$ more for an Apple logo.[/citation]
Really?
Really?
Market share has nothing to do with security.
Windows is attacked the most and attacked successfully because it is trivial to own a Windows box with no user intervention. Apple and Linux take user intervention.
Windows is attacked the most and attacked successfully because it is trivial to own a Windows box with no user intervention. Apple and Linux take user intervention.
Apple OS 9 had lots of malware and a far smaller market share than OS X which after 11 or so years still has ZERO in the wild viruses that can sneak onto a system with no user intervention.
Every MS OS has been vulnerable to drive-bys.
I don't even use Apple products, but you MS fanboys are amusing in your ignorance and idiocy.
Every MS OS has been vulnerable to drive-bys.
I don't even use Apple products, but you MS fanboys are amusing in your ignorance and idiocy.
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I have no ill feelings towards Apple and really do give them credit for their comeback and the contributions they have put forth, but this does not surprise me one bit.
I don't really have any allegiances, and often get frustrated with them for different reasons, but it really was only a matter of time for this to happen...as Apple gained market share, they were going to become a target.
I really only feel sorry for those who honestly (and obviously ignorantly) believed that they were more secure...
I don't really have any allegiances, and often get frustrated with them for different reasons, but it really was only a matter of time for this to happen...as Apple gained market share, they were going to become a target.
I really only feel sorry for those who honestly (and obviously ignorantly) believed that they were more secure...
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[citation][nom]MS_IS_LAME[/nom]Apple OS 9 had lots of malware and a far smaller market share than OS X which after 11 or so years still has ZERO in the wild viruses that can sneak onto a system with no user intervention.Every MS OS has been vulnerable to drive-bys.I don't even use Apple products, but you MS fanboys are amusing in your ignorance and idiocy.[/citation]
Viruses aren't written much anymore, so that's not a surprise at all. These days, it's all about malware such as spyware and trojans.
Furthermore, OSX has plenty of malware such as spyware and trojans. Flashblock can get on to a Mac without user intervention (it has a pop up, but it doesn't matter what you do with it because it will install it. The difference between the choices and just closing it are whether or not it gets into the user space or the root space) and so can many others.
In fact, OSX is far easier to hack into and write malware for than Windows 7.
Viruses aren't written much anymore, so that's not a surprise at all. These days, it's all about malware such as spyware and trojans.
Furthermore, OSX has plenty of malware such as spyware and trojans. Flashblock can get on to a Mac without user intervention (it has a pop up, but it doesn't matter what you do with it because it will install it. The difference between the choices and just closing it are whether or not it gets into the user space or the root space) and so can many others.
In fact, OSX is far easier to hack into and write malware for than Windows 7.
yeah, I burst out laughing, only because I had heaps of virus trouble when I was a PC owner and have been completely virus free for the six-plus years I've been a Mac owner. I always wonder where people get their (made up) statistics.
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[citation][nom]damianrobertjones[/nom]Step 1: Create another user account (I'm assuming that you're using Vista/Windows 7), call it SecurityStep 2: Create a nice password. This will be an administrative accountStep 3: Turn UAC up to the maximumStep 4: Change YOUR user account to a standard account.Step 5: Use your account day to day and when you need to change something you'll be prompted for the Security password.Other:Step 1: Open IE9, click the cog and basically change your Privacy to medium high and change the Pop-up blocker from medium to high. No wonder people get pop-ups!Step 2: Disable ALL add-ins other than flash. ie9 will be faster.Step 3: Add this to your hosts file to protect your browsing, be it Opera, Firefox, ie9 etc.http://someonewhocares.org/hosts/Security on Windows is EASY but you'll ALWAYS, always, alllwaysss get that user who'll click on the pop-up from that 'pron' web page.[/citation]
+10,000 thumbs up to that post.
Most insecure part of the IT system stands between the chair and the keyboard
+10,000 thumbs up to that post.
Most insecure part of the IT system stands between the chair and the keyboard
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[citation][nom]musicalgrace[/nom]yeah, I burst out laughing, only because I had heaps of virus trouble when I was a PC owner and have been completely virus free for the six-plus years I've been a Mac owner. I always wonder where people get their (made up) statistics.[/citation]
Viruses are not the same as malware. Viruses are very rare nowadays and that has been true for years. What we see today is mostly spyware and trojans and just because you don't know that they are on your Mac or PC does not mean that they are not there. They are often very good at hiding. Have you not heard of Flashblock? It's been all over the news lately, and it's NOT the only one, just the most talked about one today. It's also not even close to being the first.
Viruses are not the same as malware. Viruses are very rare nowadays and that has been true for years. What we see today is mostly spyware and trojans and just because you don't know that they are on your Mac or PC does not mean that they are not there. They are often very good at hiding. Have you not heard of Flashblock? It's been all over the news lately, and it's NOT the only one, just the most talked about one today. It's also not even close to being the first.
OSX is insecure because they based it off of BSD, which is a toy at best. No serious person would trust a BSD based OS for anything of importance.
For a serious and hardened *NIX operating systems that is truly impenetrable, see:
Linux
AIX
HP-UX
For a serious and hardened *NIX operating systems that is truly impenetrable, see:
Linux
AIX
HP-UX
[citation][nom]hardened_man[/nom]OSX is insecure because they based it off of BSD, which is a toy at best. No serious person would trust a BSD based OS for anything of importance.For a serious and hardened *NIX operating systems that is truly impenetrable, see:LinuxAIXHP-UX[/citation]
Here's my theory, or law:
1. All software can be compromised. The question is how much resource are you willing to throw at them, and what do you plan on achieving after breaking into the targeted software.
2. If the software operates on a hardware that has any I/O ports or if the hardware can be accessed by humans (solder connection wires onto the circuit board for example), it WILL BE compromised.
Here's my theory, or law:
1. All software can be compromised. The question is how much resource are you willing to throw at them, and what do you plan on achieving after breaking into the targeted software.
2. If the software operates on a hardware that has any I/O ports or if the hardware can be accessed by humans (solder connection wires onto the circuit board for example), it WILL BE compromised.
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[citation][nom]hardened_man[/nom]OSX is insecure because they based it off of BSD, which is a toy at best. No serious person would trust a BSD based OS for anything of importance.For a serious and hardened *NIX operating systems that is truly impenetrable, see:LinuxAIXHP-UX[/citation]
You had me agreeing with you until you said impenetrable. No system is truly impenetrable, except for a system that is not connected to something that you can access in any way (IE, something cut off from the internet and cut off from you or someone else physically, or just a system that has no active power).
You had me agreeing with you until you said impenetrable. No system is truly impenetrable, except for a system that is not connected to something that you can access in any way (IE, something cut off from the internet and cut off from you or someone else physically, or just a system that has no active power).
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Where's the detailed info about the specific vulnerabilities? Not so that we can go and write viruses for Mac but something besides heresy from Kaspersky. It could very well be true that Macs are behind in security having not been tested and targeted as heavily as Windows but this article gives no details as far as those claims are concerned. I'm a believer that the more people trying to exploit a system (and how open the developers of said system are), the faster problems get fixed and the more robust the software becomes. Based on this logic, Apple's very secretive attitude towards nearly everything and their vastly smaller market share would support the idea that their security is way behind.
Yet I repeat, this article gives zero details as far as the claims of Apple's security being ancient and thus has not really informed me about anything useful. Learned more from the first 3 pages of comments.
Yet I repeat, this article gives zero details as far as the claims of Apple's security being ancient and thus has not really informed me about anything useful. Learned more from the first 3 pages of comments.
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[citation][nom]MS_IS_LAME[/nom]Apple OS 9 had lots of malware and a far smaller market share than OS X which after 11 or so years still has ZERO in the wild viruses that can sneak onto a system with no user intervention.Every MS OS has been vulnerable to drive-bys.I don't even use Apple products, but you MS fanboys are amusing in your ignorance and idiocy.[/citation]
What kind of virus for windows is out there that doesn't require user interaction?
What kind of virus for windows is out there that doesn't require user interaction?
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