News Apple's A17 Pro Challenges Core i9-13900K, Ryzen 7950X in Single-Core Performance

[gg83]

X86 was created in 1978 for a processor that had 29,000 transistors total. You think modern code looks anything like how it did then?

Not a friendly reply to an honest question.

 

[JamesJones44]

I'd expect there's more JIT code, for one thing. Perhaps APIs and SDKs are doing more parameter-checking and input-sanitizing, as cybersecurity has continued to grow in importance and fuzz-testing has become more prevalent. Perhaps more code is being compiled with settings to tune for newer CPUs, which should affect the instruction mix and register windows.

Sadly even with the shift to JIT and compiler defense enhancements, buffer overrun/array bounds checking is still a common security problem, usually in the top 5 depending on which site you look at.

Even though JIT and compile time defense scanning has become more popular the explosion in code that relies on numerous libraries has mitigated some of the progress that has been made in compilers and runtimes. Those libraries are often difficult to scan at compile time since many are compiled already and typically open source libraries have little in the way of defense scanning themselves. This has lead to the popularity of things like White Source scanning (sometimes called Mend). Sadly though I think we are still years away from it becoming common enough.

 

[The Historical Fidelity]

Not a friendly reply to an honest question.

I’ll admit to that, I apologize

 

[bit_user]

I'm not even sure what you are arguing here. You already agreed with my original point, so I'm going to move on.

If you want to drop the debate, that's fair. However, it's not fair to say that I agree with you, after I conclusively refuted your claims with data.

If you want to quote specifically what I said that you agree with, then that would be a fair way to cite a point of agreement. However, please don't put words in my mouth.

 

[spongiemaster]

If you want to drop the debate, that's fair. However, it's not fair to say that I agree with you, after I conclusively refuted your claims with data.

If you want to quote specifically what I said that you agree with, then that would be a fair way to cite a point of agreement. However, please don't put words in my mouth.

Not sure why you have to be so defensive and combative over everything. Relax, this stuff isn't that important. Here's you agreeing with main point. I'm not putting anything in your mouth.

I'm not arguing that A17 isn't going to be more efficient, I'm saying the comparison isn't remotely 8.5W vs over 100W. The A17 is on a significantly better node and the 13900k isn't remotely tuned for efficiency, because Intel is trying to win benchmark wars with it, not maximize battery life.

I agree on this point. Intel is basically trying to balance peak single-threaded performance against area. In contrast Apple's cores are designed to prioritize power-efficiency at the cost a greater area and lower clocks, even to the point of hurting absolute single-thread performance.