Stock market is supply and demand and easily manipulated by a small group with large amount of cash. People just need to make it hard to get, then hard to get rid of. The SEC has been hamstrung for decades, this is what breaks the stock market - and derivatives breaks the market as they are a bet and have no are of no substance, one should have to trade for physical things. The massive inflation of the money supply and a hidden place to bet and use this money on intangible things will have serious future consequences.
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[citation][nom]mman74[/nom]How does one derive a value of a company? Well there's it's physical assets, there's also it's rate of income, then there's that unquantifiable portion which can be best described as in the market's expectations for tomorrow.So since Tim took over, what's changed? Well it's assets and income is more or less the same, and if the iPhone 5 numbers are to be believed they are in fact doing better than ever. The only thing that's changed is the leadership, and under the new guy they've stopped believin', they've lost that feeling![/citation]
While apple products are selling just as well as they ever did, they are not making as much raw profit per unit as they use to either, and I think that is a lot of what is wearing down the stock price. Also, while they won the legal battle against Samsung, they lost the PR battle against them. While apple has gotten a lot of exclusive sales and contracts for tablets, they have not been able to reproduce that in the phone space, and we are seeing Nokia (of all companies) eating more and more of that corporate and government contract space.
On another front you are seeing companies like Acer and Amazon sucking up the cheap device market for tablets, while companies like ASUS are selling cheaper made products with better specs at the same price point as apple. While these are not hurting apple sales right this moment, it is a definite threat which deflates the stock price.
But personally, I think that the biggest thing hurting apple right now is the change in leadership. Steve Jobs never cared to have more than 20% of the market. He wanted apple products to be the default premium device, and rarely dipped toes into 'affordable' devices like the mac mini, or the iPod nano. Tim Cook wants to sell products to everyone instead of keeping that 20% market, but does not have a board who supports that idea, which has got to be difficult. Also, there are a lot of odd discussions going on, like the talk of ditching Intel and moving to ARM for their desktop and laptops, or making a watch accessory for the phone, fragmenting the iPhone space into multiple size and performance brackets.
We also see MS, FireFox, Ubuntu, and (to a lesser extent) Android coming up with ways to better merge product lines by unifying the mobile/desktop experience. None of them really seem to have it yet (though Ubuntu has some neat videos), but there is a clear path forward emerging from each of those companies, while apple seems to be continuing to fragment their individual products as separate lines rather than looking at them as functional individual devices which can be brought together to form a greater whole. That was something they use to be good at (the best at even), but they are stalling out rather than moving forward on it.
Anywho, apple isn't about to close up shop any time soon, but unless they start moving forward then they are going to get back on their 10%->20%->10% cycle that they have been known for the entire life of their company.
While apple products are selling just as well as they ever did, they are not making as much raw profit per unit as they use to either, and I think that is a lot of what is wearing down the stock price. Also, while they won the legal battle against Samsung, they lost the PR battle against them. While apple has gotten a lot of exclusive sales and contracts for tablets, they have not been able to reproduce that in the phone space, and we are seeing Nokia (of all companies) eating more and more of that corporate and government contract space.
On another front you are seeing companies like Acer and Amazon sucking up the cheap device market for tablets, while companies like ASUS are selling cheaper made products with better specs at the same price point as apple. While these are not hurting apple sales right this moment, it is a definite threat which deflates the stock price.
But personally, I think that the biggest thing hurting apple right now is the change in leadership. Steve Jobs never cared to have more than 20% of the market. He wanted apple products to be the default premium device, and rarely dipped toes into 'affordable' devices like the mac mini, or the iPod nano. Tim Cook wants to sell products to everyone instead of keeping that 20% market, but does not have a board who supports that idea, which has got to be difficult. Also, there are a lot of odd discussions going on, like the talk of ditching Intel and moving to ARM for their desktop and laptops, or making a watch accessory for the phone, fragmenting the iPhone space into multiple size and performance brackets.
We also see MS, FireFox, Ubuntu, and (to a lesser extent) Android coming up with ways to better merge product lines by unifying the mobile/desktop experience. None of them really seem to have it yet (though Ubuntu has some neat videos), but there is a clear path forward emerging from each of those companies, while apple seems to be continuing to fragment their individual products as separate lines rather than looking at them as functional individual devices which can be brought together to form a greater whole. That was something they use to be good at (the best at even), but they are stalling out rather than moving forward on it.
Anywho, apple isn't about to close up shop any time soon, but unless they start moving forward then they are going to get back on their 10%->20%->10% cycle that they have been known for the entire life of their company.
[citation][nom]bnot[/nom]It's time to "cook" up holographic Steve Jobs to do the talking from now on.[/citation]
Jobs was a great salesman and always found ways to drum up excitement for upcoming devices. Shocking, TH is catering to articles that are negative to Apple and overlook articles about how iPhone is 3 times more reliable than Samsung's Galaxy S3; and especially the sudden death issue with S3. Then how Google stated Android is for Geeks and Developers. /sarcasm Hah!
Jobs was a great salesman and always found ways to drum up excitement for upcoming devices. Shocking, TH is catering to articles that are negative to Apple and overlook articles about how iPhone is 3 times more reliable than Samsung's Galaxy S3; and especially the sudden death issue with S3. Then how Google stated Android is for Geeks and Developers. /sarcasm Hah!
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I just thought of a cool zombie game. Steve Jobs returns from the grave as a zombie who chases Tim Cook, snarling and growling, telling him to shut up. Tim has to run to each microphone and finish a press conference to regain stamina and devalue Apple Stock before Jobs can catch him. This must continue until either Steve catches Tim, or Tim brings to company down to 0.01/share. If I could just think of a catchy name....The Talking Dead. Yes!
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