Question Apps & Games randomly close and I can't find out why ?

[doomsday00000]

hello.

this has been a massive pain for awhile and i have just felt so annoyed and lost on this.

it all started with my browsers randomly closing. no crash or error just closing. then it became discord. then it became random applications. then it became games. i tried and tried to fix it but was loosing my mind and just gave in and took it to a repair person. they found 2 sticks of my ram was dead and when they gave it back to me it seemed to be working but wasnt. the tarkov launcher for example was freezing. games would just close mid game. etc.

so i ran mem test this morning and it said everything looked fine. then i updated the BIOS but nothing changed, next my graphics which i update avidly, then my cpus chipset driver, but when i updated my CPU with amd store.mi it bluescreened me, thankfully i fixed that. but that aside the issue still persists and isnt going away.

my specs are
auros trx40 master.
amd 3970x threadripper.
64 gigs of trident z neo ram
samsung 980 pro 2 tb ssd
geforce rtx 3090
power supply is a corshair 1200w
windows 10

checking my games dmp file it shows this:

Spoiler: Debugger Log

************* Preparing the environment for Debugger Extensions Gallery repositories **************
ExtensionRepository : Implicit
UseExperimentalFeatureForNugetShare : true
AllowNugetExeUpdate : true
AllowNugetMSCredentialProviderInstall : true
AllowParallelInitializationOfLocalRepositories : true

-- Configuring repositories
----> Repository : LocalInstalled, Enabled: true
----> Repository : UserExtensions, Enabled: true

>>>>>>>>>>>>> Preparing the environment for Debugger Extensions Gallery repositories completed, duration 0.000 seconds

************* Waiting for Debugger Extensions Gallery to Initialize **************

>>>>>>>>>>>>> Waiting for Debugger Extensions Gallery to Initialize completed, duration 0.015 seconds
----> Repository : UserExtensions, Enabled: true, Packages count: 0
----> Repository : LocalInstalled, Enabled: true, Packages count: 36

Microsoft (R) Windows Debugger Version 10.0.25921.1001 AMD64
Copyright (c) Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved.


Loading Dump File [C:\Program Files (x86)\Steam\dumps\reports\7d0c1940-45f3-4bc3-92cd-6359190962e9.dmp]
User Mini Dump File: Only registers, stack and portions of memory are available


************* Path validation summary **************
Response Time (ms) Location
Deferred srv*
Symbol search path is: srv*
Executable search path is:
Windows 10 Version 19041 (3393) MP (64 procs) Free x64
Product: WinNt
Edition build lab: Windows NT 10.0.19041.3393
Debug session time: Thu Sep 14 18:52:59.000 2023 (UTC - 6:00)
System Uptime: not available
Process Uptime: 0 days 0:00:02.000
................................................................
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This dump file has an exception of interest stored in it.
The stored exception information can be accessed via .ecxr.
(3d1c.3d50): Access violation - code c0000005 (first/second chance not available)
For analysis of this file, run !analyze -v
*** WARNING: Unable to verify checksum for ntdll.dll
*** WARNING: Unable to verify checksum for KERNELBASE.dll
ntdll!NtDelayExecution+0x14:
00007ffe`48d6d4d4 c3 ret
0:012> !analyze -v
*******************************************************************************
* *
* Exception Analysis *
* *
*******************************************************************************

*** WARNING: Unable to verify checksum for KERNEL32.DLL
*** WARNING: Unable to verify checksum for USER32.dll
*** WARNING: Unable to verify checksum for ole32.dll

KEY_VALUES_STRING: 1

Key : AV.Dereference
Value: String

Key : AV.Fault
Value: Read

Key : Analysis.CPU.mSec
Value: 640

Key : Analysis.Elapsed.mSec
Value: 716

Key : Analysis.IO.Other.Mb
Value: 0

Key : Analysis.IO.Read.Mb
Value: 0

Key : Analysis.IO.Write.Mb
Value: 0

Key : Analysis.Init.CPU.mSec
Value: 265

Key : Analysis.Init.Elapsed.mSec
Value: 2391

Key : Analysis.Memory.CommitPeak.Mb
Value: 229

Key : Failure.Bucket
Value: INVALID_POINTER_READ_c0000005_libcef.dll!Unknown

Key : Failure.Hash
Value: {904329ad-9f97-931f-27ed-3378ce917f68}

Key : Timeline.Process.Start.DeltaSec
Value: 2

Key : WER.Process.Version
Value: 1.0.0.1


FILE_IN_CAB: 7d0c1940-45f3-4bc3-92cd-6359190962e9.dmp

NTGLOBALFLAG: 0

PROCESS_BAM_CURRENT_THROTTLED: 0

PROCESS_BAM_PREVIOUS_THROTTLED: 0

CONTEXT: (.ecxr)
rax=00000213684e2348 rbx=0000000000000031 rcx=000000c714efc340
rdx=000000c714efbfb4 rsi=0000000000000004 rdi=00000000000001a4
rip=00007ffdebcbf0b4 rsp=000000c714efbd70 rbp=0000000000000064
r8=0000000000000004 r9=0000021364abfb90 r10=0000000000000002
r11=00000213684e24ec r12=000000c714efc340 r13=000000000000007f
r14=000000000000006f r15=000000c714efbe30
iopl=0 nv up ei pl nz na pe nc
cs=0033 ss=0000 ds=0000 es=0000 fs=0053 gs=002b efl=00010202
libcef!cef_string_multimap_size+0x3346c4:
00007ffd`ebcbf0b4 c4624d900498 vpgatherdd ymm8,dword ptr [rax+ymm3*4],ymm6 ds:00000213`684e240c=00000000
Resetting default scope

EXCEPTION_RECORD: (.exr -1)
ExceptionAddress: 00007ffdebcbf0b4 (libcef!cef_string_multimap_size+0x00000000003346c4)
ExceptionCode: c0000005 (Access violation)
ExceptionFlags: 00000000
NumberParameters: 2
Parameter[0]: 0000000000000000
Parameter[1]: 00000213684f233c
Attempt to read from address 00000213684f233c

PROCESS_NAME: steamwebhelper.exe

READ_ADDRESS: 00000213684f233c

ERROR_CODE: (NTSTATUS) 0xc0000005 - The instruction at 0x%p referenced memory at 0x%p. The memory could not be %s.

EXCEPTION_CODE_STR: c0000005

EXCEPTION_PARAMETER1: 0000000000000000

EXCEPTION_PARAMETER2: 00000213684f233c

STACK_TEXT:
000000c7`14efbd70 00007ffd`ebc29ece : 000000c7`14efbf50 00000213`6557b250 000000c7`14efbf50 00007ffe`48cfb86b : libcef!cef_string_multimap_size+0x3346c4
000000c7`14efbdf0 00007ffd`ebb16679 : 00000013`3f800000 00000000`00000000 000000c7`14efc0f8 00000000`00000000 : libcef!cef_string_multimap_size+0x29f4de
000000c7`14efc080 00007ffd`ebbe9464 : 000000c7`14efc140 00000000`00000000 00000000`00000006 00000213`6402afe0 : libcef!cef_string_multimap_size+0x18bc89
000000c7`14efc100 00007ffd`ebbe8c66 : 00000213`42440000 00007ffe`48cf47b1 00000213`62220000 00000213`61fb0000 : libcef!cef_string_multimap_size+0x25ea74
000000c7`14efc180 00007ffd`ebb42637 : 00000000`42440000 00000000`00000000 00000000`00000000 00000000`00000000 : libcef!cef_string_multimap_size+0x25e276
000000c7`14efc2d0 00007ffd`ebb441d7 : 000000c7`42440000 00000000`00000000 000000c7`14efd070 000000c7`14efd1d8 : libcef!cef_string_multimap_size+0x1b7c47
000000c7`14efd1d0 00007ffd`ebb0881e : 00000000`00000000 00000213`64867901 000000c7`14efe6b8 00000213`655726b8 : libcef!cef_string_multimap_size+0x1b97e7
000000c7`14efe170 00007ffd`ebb08d2c : 00000000`00000000 3f000000`3f000000 00000002`00000001 00000000`00000000 : libcef!cef_string_multimap_size+0x17de2e
000000c7`14efe360 00007ffd`ebb29cef : 00000000`00000000 00000000`00000000 3f000000`3f000000 00000100`00000001 : libcef!cef_string_multimap_size+0x17e33c
000000c7`14efe560 00007ffd`ebb26a10 : 00000000`00000000 00000000`00000000 00000000`00000000 00000000`00000000 : libcef!cef_string_multimap_size+0x19f2ff
000000c7`14efe6a0 00007ffd`ee96b6ca : 00000002`00000000 00007ffe`48cfb86b 00000000`00000000 00000213`648473b0 : libcef!cef_string_multimap_size+0x19c020
000000c7`14efe760 00007ffd`ee96e022 : 00000000`00000009 00000000`00000000 00000213`622202c4 00000213`62220000 : libcef!h264_unlocked+0x6c7cca
000000c7`14efeb90 00007ffd`ee96df84 : 00000000`0003000b 00000000`000000c4 00000213`648a56f0 000000c7`14eff038 : libcef!h264_unlocked+0x6ca622
000000c7`14efee50 00007ffd`ee9823d2 : 00000000`00000000 00000000`00000000 00000000`00000000 00000000`00000000 : libcef!h264_unlocked+0x6ca584
000000c7`14eff110 00007ffd`eec44152 : 00000000`00000000 00000000`00000000 00000000`00000000 00000000`00000000 : libcef!h264_unlocked+0x6de9d2
000000c7`14eff1f0 00007ffd`eec440fb : 00000213`64840b50 00007ffd`ebb20940 00000213`648a69e0 00000000`00000400 : libcef!h264_unlocked+0x9a0752
000000c7`14eff240 00007ffd`eec5b928 : 00000213`6557d200 00000000`00000032 00000213`62220000 00000213`64869250 : libcef!h264_unlocked+0x9a06fb
000000c7`14eff2e0 00007ffd`eec3b447 : 000000c7`14eff558 00007ffd`f1440400 00007ffd`00000032 000000c7`00000000 : libcef!h264_unlocked+0x9b7f28
000000c7`14eff440 00007ffd`eec09693 : 00000213`64843d30 00000000`00000001 00000213`654b9410 00007ffd`eeb9841f : libcef!h264_unlocked+0x997a47
000000c7`14eff500 00007ffd`f123aadc : 00000213`63f667d0 00000213`63f668b0 000000c7`14eff6f8 00000000`00000000 : libcef!h264_unlocked+0x965c93
000000c7`14eff5d0 00007ffd`f123a4ed : 00000213`63f66800 00007ffd`f123a537 00000213`63faa0c8 00000000`00000000 : libcef!VR_GetStringForHmdError+0x1062300
000000c7`14eff6d0 00007ffd`f123a47d : ffffffff`ffffffff 00007ffe`47d55860 00000213`63faa0c0 00007ffd`edcacf4b : libcef!VR_GetStringForHmdError+0x1061d11
000000c7`14eff710 00007ffd`edc9df6d : ffffffff`ffffffff 00000213`620164e0 00000000`00000000 00000000`00000000 : libcef!VR_GetStringForHmdError+0x1061ca1
000000c7`14eff760 00007ffe`47d57344 : 00000000`00000000 00000000`00000000 00000000`00000000 00000000`00000000 : libcef!cef_time_delta+0xca02e
000000c7`14eff7e0 00007ffe`48d226b1 : 00000000`00000000 00000000`00000000 00000000`00000000 00000000`00000000 : KERNEL32!BaseThreadInitThunk+0x14
000000c7`14eff810 00000000`00000000 : 00000000`00000000 00000000`00000000 00000000`00000000 00000000`00000000 : ntdll!RtlUserThreadStart+0x21


SYMBOL_NAME: libcef+3346c4

MODULE_NAME: libcef

IMAGE_NAME: libcef.dll

STACK_COMMAND: ~12s; .ecxr ; kb

FAILURE_BUCKET_ID: INVALID_POINTER_READ_c0000005_libcef.dll!Unknown

OSPLATFORM_TYPE: x64

OSNAME: Windows 10

IMAGE_VERSION: 85.0.0.0

FAILURE_ID_HASH: {904329ad-9f97-931f-27ed-3378ce917f68}

Followup: MachineOwner
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Mod Edit: Added long log file to a spoiler.
Mod Edit 2: Power Supply added to specs list.

 

[Colif]

Only thing mentioned in debugger is libcef. its part of chromium
Libcef. dll is Chromium Embedded Framework (CEF) Dynamic Link Library.
its part of windows.

*** WARNING: Unable to verify checksum for ntdll.dll
*** WARNING: Unable to verify checksum for KERNELBASE.dll

*** WARNING: Unable to verify checksum for KERNEL32.DLL
*** WARNING: Unable to verify checksum for USER32.dll
*** WARNING: Unable to verify checksum for ole32.dll

it looks like windows is the problem... strange

Try this and see if it helps
right click start button

choose powershell (admin)

copy/paste this command into window:

Repair-WindowsImage -Online -RestoreHealth

and press enter

Then type SFC /scannow

and press enter

Restart PC if SFC fixes any files as some fixes require a restart to be implemented

First command repairs the files SFC uses to clean files, and SFC fixes system files

SFC = System File Checker. First command runs DISM - https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-hardware/manufacture/desktop/what-is-dism?view=windows-11

 

[doomsday00000]

hey thanks for the response, i did as told. it says imagehealth state healthy and restart needed false. saying id did not find any integrity violations. but the issues still keep happening with things closing randomly

 

[doomsday00000]

got this from win dump files

Spoiler

UseExperimentalFeatureForNugetShare : true
AllowNugetExeUpdate : true
AllowNugetMSCredentialProviderInstall : true
AllowParallelInitializationOfLocalRepositories : true

-- Configuring repositories
----> Repository : LocalInstalled, Enabled: true
----> Repository : UserExtensions, Enabled: true

>>>>>>>>>>>>> Preparing the environment for Debugger Extensions Gallery repositories completed, duration 0.000 seconds

************* Waiting for Debugger Extensions Gallery to Initialize **************

>>>>>>>>>>>>> Waiting for Debugger Extensions Gallery to Initialize completed, duration 0.156 seconds
----> Repository : UserExtensions, Enabled: true, Packages count: 0
----> Repository : LocalInstalled, Enabled: true, Packages count: 36

Microsoft (R) Windows Debugger Version 10.0.25921.1001 AMD64
Copyright (c) Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved.


Loading Dump File [C:\Users\rowan\Desktop\091423-12046-01.dmp]
Mini Kernel Dump File: Only registers and stack trace are available


************* Path validation summary **************
Response Time (ms) Location
Deferred srv*
Symbol search path is: srv*
Executable search path is:
Windows 10 Kernel Version 19041 MP (64 procs) Free x64
Product: WinNt, suite: TerminalServer SingleUserTS
Edition build lab: 19041.1.amd64fre.vb_release.191206-1406
Kernel base = 0xfffff800`29000000 PsLoadedModuleList = 0xfffff800`29c2a220
Debug session time: Thu Sep 14 20:32:56.458 2023 (UTC - 6:00)
System Uptime: 0 days 0:00:48.114
Loading Kernel Symbols
...............................................................
................................................................
................................................................
......
Loading User Symbols

Loading unloaded module list
.........
For analysis of this file, run !analyze -v
nt!KeBugCheckEx:
fffff800`293fcd70 48894c2408 mov qword ptr [rsp+8],rcx ss:0018:ffffed03`ca517640=00000000000000c2
18: kd> !analyze -v
*******************************************************************************
* *
* Bugcheck Analysis *
* *
*******************************************************************************

BAD_POOL_CALLER (c2)
The current thread is making a bad pool request. Typically this is at a bad IRQL level or double freeing the same allocation, etc.
Arguments:
Arg1: 000000000000000d, Attempt to release quota on a corrupted pool allocation.
Arg2: ffffd9812f6fe700, Address of pool
Arg3: 00000000ff0050cd, Pool allocation's tag
Arg4: dc507ebaedf01516, Quota process pointer (bad).

Debugging Details:
------------------


KEY_VALUES_STRING: 1

Key : Analysis.CPU.mSec
Value: 3124

Key : Analysis.Elapsed.mSec
Value: 6705

Key : Analysis.IO.Other.Mb
Value: 6

Key : Analysis.IO.Read.Mb
Value: 9

Key : Analysis.IO.Write.Mb
Value: 29

Key : Analysis.Init.CPU.mSec
Value: 499

Key : Analysis.Init.Elapsed.mSec
Value: 7848

Key : Analysis.Memory.CommitPeak.Mb
Value: 91

Key : Bugcheck.Code.LegacyAPI
Value: 0xc2

Key : Failure.Bucket
Value: 0xc2_d_rcbottom!unknown_function

Key : Failure.Hash
Value: {998af43b-6fb9-86e7-2b66-a8d90e1e9d6c}

Key : WER.OS.Branch
Value: vb_release

Key : WER.OS.Version
Value: 10.0.19041.1


BUGCHECK_CODE: c2

BUGCHECK_P1: d

BUGCHECK_P2: ffffd9812f6fe700

BUGCHECK_P3: ff0050cd

BUGCHECK_P4: dc507ebaedf01516

FILE_IN_CAB: 091423-12046-01.dmp

BLACKBOXBSD: 1 (!blackboxbsd)


BLACKBOXNTFS: 1 (!blackboxntfs)


BLACKBOXPNP: 1 (!blackboxpnp)


BLACKBOXWINLOGON: 1

CUSTOMER_CRASH_COUNT: 1

PROCESS_NAME: System

STACK_TEXT:
ffffed03`ca517638 fffff800`29423f1c : 00000000`000000c2 00000000`0000000d ffffd981`2f6fe700 00000000`ff0050cd : nt!KeBugCheckEx
ffffed03`ca517640 fffff800`299b80b9 : 00000000`00000000 ffffd981`2f0abf01 00000000`00000003 01000000`00100000 : nt!ExFreeHeapPool+0x20d55c
ffffed03`ca517720 fffff800`2e39d355 : ffffd981`0c8022f0 ffffd981`0cb1ace0 ffffd981`2f6ff000 00000000`00000000 : nt!ExFreePool+0x9
ffffed03`ca517750 ffffd981`0c8022f0 : ffffd981`0cb1ace0 ffffd981`2f6ff000 00000000`00000000 ffffd981`084fe198 : rcbottom+0xd355
ffffed03`ca517758 ffffd981`0cb1ace0 : ffffd981`2f6ff000 00000000`00000000 ffffd981`084fe198 fffff800`2e397555 : 0xffffd981`0c8022f0
ffffed03`ca517760 ffffd981`2f6ff000 : 00000000`00000000 ffffd981`084fe198 fffff800`2e397555 ffffd981`0c8022f0 : 0xffffd981`0cb1ace0
ffffed03`ca517768 00000000`00000000 : ffffd981`084fe198 fffff800`2e397555 ffffd981`0c8022f0 ffffd981`0c8022f0 : 0xffffd981`2f6ff000


SYMBOL_NAME: rcbottom+d355

MODULE_NAME: rcbottom

IMAGE_NAME: rcbottom.sys

STACK_COMMAND: .cxr; .ecxr ; kb

BUCKET_ID_FUNC_OFFSET: d355

FAILURE_BUCKET_ID: 0xc2_d_rcbottom!unknown_function

OS_VERSION: 10.0.19041.1

BUILDLAB_STR: vb_release

OSPLATFORM_TYPE: x64

OSNAME: Windows 10

FAILURE_ID_HASH: {998af43b-6fb9-86e7-2b66-a8d90e1e9d6c}

Followup: MachineOwner

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[Colif]

rcbottom appears to be a raid driver... you only have 1 drive. Its normally used for 2 or more drives. And its not much use on nvme as they fast enough already. You shouldn't need it installed.

Advanced Micro Devices (AMD) AMD-RAID Bottom Device storage controller drivers

when i updated my proccessors with amd store.mi it bluescreened me, thankfully i fixed that.

How did you fix it as rcbottom likely part of storemi

unless you also installed them from https://www.gigabyte.com/au/Motherb...rev-10/support#support-dl-driver-sataraidahci

have you run magician on the nvme? its got diagnostics - https://semiconductor.samsung.com/consumer-storage/support/tools/

 

[doomsday00000]

i diagnosed the nvme and everything looked good, i also checked in bios and sata isnt on raid. nor can i find any rcbottom file in system 32. but for some reason i cant get ayd dump files from the crashing today. since i deleted storemi atleast. you said it might be the OS? since i updated my chipset driver it finally says i can upgrade to win 11, do you think that might somehow help. however i also found this under one of the games crash reports

[CrashReportClient]
bHideLogFilesOption=false
bIsAllowedToCloseWithoutSending=true
CrashConfigPurgeDays=2

 

[Colif]

updating windows to a new version when you have a problem can just bring problem along for ride.

But if you updated to 11 and then clean installed it after, it might fix the problem . It would at least remove any remains of storemi.

 

[doomsday00000]

problem is even after i went to a fresh install of windows 10 the issue remained. but ive diagnosed everythin hardware and it all seems fine

 

[Colif]

samsung 980 pro 2 tb ssd

i also checked in bios and sata isnt on raid.

the nvme doesn't use sata so it wouldn't show there.

If the problem survives a clean install of windows 10, its not likely to be software.
Generally hardware faults are only things that survive a reinstall.
That or if you have a USB wifi adapter that always uses same drivers... but generally its hardware.

they found 2 sticks of my ram was dead and when they gave it back to me it seemed to be working but wasnt.

How did they replace the ram? Are all 4 sticks the same? Did they replace the entire 4 stick set with a new set? AMD systems are picky about ram. If they just gave you two sticks that aren't part of the set, that can cause problems for AMD systems.

 

[doomsday00000]

it was a set of 4 trident z neo 32 gig sticks but the repair guy took 2 out and left the other 2 in that were still working

 

[Colif]

it was a set of 4 trident z neo 32 gig sticks but the repair guy took 2 out and left the other 2 in that were still working

did he give you back the broken ones?

ram has a life long warranty, if you can prove its broken all you need is proof of purchase and you can send all the sticks back for a replacement. No need to only use 64gb if you paid for 128gb

I would check the two installed ones:

Try running memtest86 on each of your ram sticks, one stick at a time, up to 4 passes. Only error count you want is 0, any higher could be cause of the BSOD. Remove/replace ram sticks with errors. Memtest is created as a bootable USB so that you don’t need windows to run it

 

[doomsday00000]

I ran Memtest86 and it showed only the same sticks of them were broken, but I'm still stuck on the issues. but then I just got a sign and I'm not sure if this is the answer, but my pc decided to force restart on me, I've had a Bsod in the past that I thought I had fixed but things like I said got weird with the issues.
However now today my pc shut off. this tells me something definitely is wrong with my PSU. but I'm not sure if a faulty PSU could cause browsers to randomly close as I type in them, sure it might be why certain games randomly crash or freeze from requiring more power.

however, I feel it doesn't explain some of the miniscule, weird issues. Even discord will randomly restart a few times. games closing on me at random. I can't play most games, but I can run "the robox block clicking game" fine for some reason with lacking fps. Although I can also play war thunder but sometimes it crashes. Most other games I can't even attempt to play without crashing instantly or in a few minuets. I have had so many small issues with certain things on this pc its left me so confused so many times like how a game launcher before I could install would randomly freeze, or my port forwarding wouldn't work when i set it up properly.

another thing I just noticed, and this can be when I'm up to anything on my pc. it'll randomly go-slow motion and stutter everything. it's so weird to describe but it's like a second or two. and the audio glitches out with spacing in the sound.

 

[Colif]

another thing I just noticed, and this can be when I'm up to anything on my pc. it'll randomly go-slow motion and stutter everything. it's so weird to describe but it's like a second or two. and the audio glitches out with spacing in the sound.

i used to get a random latency spike on my last CPU that messed up sound but it was thought to be caused by fTPM which should be off on your PC since you have win 10.

However now today my pc shut off. this tells me something definitely is wrong with my PSU. but I'm not sure if a faulty PSU could cause browsers to randomly close as I type in them, sure it might be why certain games randomly crash or freeze from requiring more power.

PSU is sort of centre of a lot of things. I won't say its cause as they difficult to test. You need a multimeter really as the only other tests I have just prove it works. https://www.lifewire.com/how-to-manually-test-a-power-supply-with-a-multimeter-2626158

If you hadn't already taken PC to a repair store I would suggest that instead of trying to work out whats going on.

 

[doomsday00000]

funily enough i took it to a pc repair shop and it worked for a day after i took it there then the issues came back

 

[Colif]

hmm, I wonder if that means its might be caused by something you plug in.

or do you use a power board?

As I have had problems that were only identified by me taking PC out of its ordinary environment and working perfectly.

in one case it was a mouse but it wasn't causing these errors.

 

[doomsday00000]

wait wait, you think a thing being plugged in. can cause ALL this? woah holy thats insane. also quick update I had my pc do the craziest thing on me. i was loading up kenshi and the game crashed. but i let it close like bruh maybe my kenshi file was corrupted but when i went to use my browser it did the typical freeze and crash like always. but after it happened i wasnt able to click things. well, i was able to click certain things. specifically hot bar. i managed to open task manager using the shortcut but i couldnt click anything in it. and the only way i could hop between windows was alt tabbing through things i had open. but it was so strange as i had little things i could click. like suddenly i could drag a window. but after a reboot it disappeared

 

[doomsday00000]

oh and for instance i have my computer plugged into a surge protector. and i do have quite abit of usb plugs being used on my pc. like i usually have to swap them out for if i use something like vr or my hotas setup.