Question Are there 10 port switches?

[axlrose]

Looking to take on a project to clean up some out of control cabling in my home theater. I want to wall mount some shelves and move my router and switches there, away from my home theater equipment. I need eight ports out, and one in, so nine ports. Five and eight ports seem standard. I can sometimes find twelve, but it seems to normally jump to sixteen. Are there ten port switches?

Thanks!

 

[cruisetung]

Apparently there is at least one on the market

https://www.amazon.com/Binardat-Gigabit-Ethernet-1000Mbps-Unmanaged/dp/B0CCNT5WMR

 

[Nigel Spike]

Using a browser and searching for "10 port switch" gives me many hits. Most are for shopping site in, or close to, my country. Perhaps it may work at you location aswell.

 

[USAFRet]

Looking to take on a project to clean up some out of control cabling in my home theater. I want to wall mount some shelves and move my router and switches there, away from my home theater equipment. I need eight ports out, and one in, so nine ports. Five and eight ports seem standard. I can sometimes find twelve, but it seems to normally jump to sixteen. Are there ten port switches?

Thanks!

Amazon seems to have several.

https://www.amazon.com/Binardat-Gigabit-Ethernet-1000Mbps-Unmanaged/dp/B0CCNT5WMR

https://www.amazon.com/TP-Link-TL-SG1210MP-Priority-Isolation-Protection/dp/B09HGQN8TJ

https://www.amazon.com/ienRon-10-Gigabit-Uplink-Detection/dp/B0BR92P4BJ


But why artificially limit future expansion?

 

[axlrose]

I haven't heard of two of those brands, and one is poe, which I haven't gotten much into.

I should have asked, are there well known brands that make them without poe.

 

[kanewolf]

I haven't heard of two of those brands, and one is poe, which I haven't gotten much into.

I should have asked, are there well known brands that make them without poe.

I was hesitant to pay "extra" for POE. Then I realized how much it can simplify things. Things like my ROKU don't have to have a power brick, because I have a POE to USB-C breakout. My ROKU is always on wired, so the POE switch proving power simplifies cabling. All my cameras are POE powered, even the ones that don't support POE native. Again the USB-C breakout saves the day.

 

[bill001g]

Without a lot of digging around I am unsure what chip is being used in a 10 port switch. Almost all the 5 and 8 port switches use chips made by broadcom.

Unless you buy cisco or other enterprise brand I doubt any switch you buy will not have chips made by broadcom or some other similar company.

Pretty much this technology is now so old that all these unmanged switches are the same. Things like the power block used to power the device might be different.

I suspect you do not have many options because it is not a popular size. Generally you see the popular sizes go from 8 to 16 ports.

 

[axlrose]

If I got one that is poe, does that make any difference for non poe devices? I do have three unifi aps that each have their own local device to power them. Maybe poe would be worth looking into? They are all multiple patch cables away, however.

 

[axlrose]

Can you tell me more about what usbc breakout means? We have a fire cube and a Roku among our home theater and a second fire cube on the main floor.

Also, if I go router to the poe switch, but that runs to other non poe switches or multiple patch cables, does that negate poe on the initial switch?

My Ethernet comes into the basement and I'm trying to organize cables from there to the lines I've run throughout my house and to my home theater.

Thanks!

 

[bill001g]

So the first thing to be careful of is there are actually multiple things called poe. You have to love marketing guys 🙁

Most switches support the industry standard called 802.3at/af. This form of poe only provides power if the end device requests it using a special protocol. If the end device does not request it then the port function like any other non poe port.

Other forms of poe are proprietary. Most are a passive form and provide voltage all the time which can damage devices not designed to accept poe power. Switches that run these propritary forms of poe are very rare. Ubiquiti is one company that does sell both proprietary and standard equipment os you have to read the details.

 

[axlrose]

Non poe option

Poe option

Something like these?

 

[axlrose]

Poe option seems to say it can only power four of the ports at any time however? So if I have three aps, a Roku, and two fire cubes, no dice?

 

[kanewolf]

If I got one that is poe, does that make any difference for non poe devices? I do have three unifi aps that each have their own local device to power them. Maybe poe would be worth looking into? They are all multiple patch cables away, however.

The newer POE protocol (48V 802.3 ) negotiate with the device to provide power. They are safe for non-poe devices.
Here is a how it works -- https://www.black-box.eu/en-int/pag...-Explains/Networking/poe-power-over-ethernet/

 

[kanewolf]

Poe option seems to say it can only power four of the ports at any time however? So if I have three aps, a Roku, and two fire cubes, no dice?

If you want to power more devices then you need a different switch. You probably DO have to go to 16 ports, since there are more options in that size.
You could, go down the rabbit hole of Ubiquiti UniFI as I have. https://store.ui.com/us/en

 

[axlrose]

Okay, they have a 16, with eight powered, but then I'm jumping to $300. That's probably not in the budget for a cable organizing project.

 

[bill001g]

poe adds a lot of cost to the switch as you can tell. You might be able to run more than 4 ports it depends on the watts they take. The total for the switch you have is 120 watts total.

It has been many years since i studies the details of poe. The end device can request different levels of power. I don't remember what the lowest is but I think it is around 7 watts. What happens is as each device connects and requests the power it want the switch will allocate that to the port and the reduce the power budget it has left. When the next device comes in and requests power it see if it has that much. So you can run many more devices if they are all lower power.

 

[bill001g]

A added note there are some switches that have a physical limit on which particular ports can run poe but this does not directly correspond to the concept of power budget.

 

[kanewolf]

A added note there are some switches that have a physical limit on which particular ports can run poe but this does not directly correspond to the concept of power budget.

That is a more common limitation. Only 1/2 the ports are POE enabled for example.

 

[axlrose]

I might just go with the non poe 16 port and see where that gets me for now. Looking at some new patch cables from monoprice, a wall mounted av shelf with three shelves, and the the new switch. See if I can clear up some of the current rats nest of cables that has resulted from the sprawl of continuing to add devices to the home theater setup plus trying to wire the house for ethernet, all in the same space. Hoping that just relocating some devices and getting patch cables of appropriate length will help. Maybe a new power strip too I suppose.