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"emmel" <the_emmel*whatever*@gmx.net> wrote in message
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> On 2005-03-19, The Triad <wanderer@beeb.web> wrote:
>> "emmel" <the_emmel*whatever*@gmx.net> wrote in message
>> news:slrnd3ljmr.23u.the_emmel*whatever*@btcips73x7.cip.uni-bayreuth.de...
>>>>> Sometimes I wonder if you are really like that or just pretending...
>>>>
>>>> Honestly, we sometimes wonder the same thing--are we actually thinking,
>>>> or
>>>> do we just think we think? Or to put it more directly, are we one
>>>> mind,
>>>> self-deluded into believing that it's three? And how would we tell the
>>>> difference?
>>>>
>>>> One thing that we /can/ claim with full certainty and honesty is that
>>>> we
>>>> aren't pretending in a deceptive
>>>> hee-hee-hee-oh-this-is-so-funny-the-poor-idiots sort of way. Then
>>>> again,
>>>> if
>>>> we were we probably wouldn't say that we were (and would probably say
>>>> that
>>>> 'I'/we weren't), but, even if we can't prove the truth in that respect,
>>>> we're aware of it.
>>>>
>>>> Genuine insanity... or mediocre delusion. One of the two. Only in
>>>> the
>>>> case of the first one could we, as we perceive ourselves, truly be said
>>>> to
>>>> exist; yet how would one tell the difference? How does a self-deluded
>>>> mind
>>>> identify its delusion, if such exists?
>>>>
>>>> Augh.
>>>
>>> I think the only kind of person to *really* figure that out would be a
>>> mind care professional...
>>
>> *nods* Our main concern is that if such a professional diagnosed us, one
>> way or the other, he/she would likely try to 'cure' us, and then if all
>> other means were unavailable we would likely have to kill him/her, and
>
> What for?!
....
There are two possibilities. One is that with such 'curing', we would merge
into each other, lose nothing, and have some happy all-human life 'ever
after'.
But that seems rather unlikely.
The second possibility? We would merge, certainly. All the aspects of our
separate personalities would remain, in one--presumably human--personality.
It would think, maybe a little like us. It would react, maybe a little like
us. It would enjoy its life, certainly, probably to the death as need be;
as would we. To some, it might even be indistinguishable from us when we
currently pretend to be an individual to avoid possibilities which might
stem from revealing our nature/s to those with whom we daily deal.
But we would die.
That human would not think like Markus, like Rupert, like Ghul. Think like
some sort of amalgamated version of us? Perhaps. Retain our memories?
Likely. Think like any one of us? Feel like any one of us? React like any
one of us? Enjoy the same things that any one of us does and not enjoy the
same things that that one does not? No.
Maybe something would live. But not one of us, as we are today, would
survive. And we will defend what life each of us currently has to the
death, if need be.
Ask yourself this, though it is not an exact parallel: which is worse? To
be reprogrammed into a different person, though retaining your memories? Or
to struggle to escape that fate, and killed or reprogrammed if you fail?
>> that's something that we definitely want to avoid having to do if
>> possible.
>
> It's *always* possible. It's your free choice.
>
>> Happily, we've been trying to look into the profession and that imagined
>> senario is looking increasingly unlikely, but we still don't want to take
>> any unnecessary chances if there's still the possibility that things
>> could
>> get ugly.
>
> Life. It already *is* ugly to a point.
True. But, compared to some of the things one of us has been through, it's
beautiful. And even the rest of us have seen much worse things that one
could have to live with than this reality.
--
The Triad
User of 'Thingamaijg!'
Refractor Dragon -=(UDIC)=-
"emmel" <the_emmel*whatever*@gmx.net> wrote in message
news:slrnd3nvn0.cmn.the_emmel*whatever*@btcips73x7.cip.uni-bayreuth.de...
> On 2005-03-19, The Triad <wanderer@beeb.web> wrote:
>> "emmel" <the_emmel*whatever*@gmx.net> wrote in message
>> news:slrnd3ljmr.23u.the_emmel*whatever*@btcips73x7.cip.uni-bayreuth.de...
>>>>> Sometimes I wonder if you are really like that or just pretending...
>>>>
>>>> Honestly, we sometimes wonder the same thing--are we actually thinking,
>>>> or
>>>> do we just think we think? Or to put it more directly, are we one
>>>> mind,
>>>> self-deluded into believing that it's three? And how would we tell the
>>>> difference?
>>>>
>>>> One thing that we /can/ claim with full certainty and honesty is that
>>>> we
>>>> aren't pretending in a deceptive
>>>> hee-hee-hee-oh-this-is-so-funny-the-poor-idiots sort of way. Then
>>>> again,
>>>> if
>>>> we were we probably wouldn't say that we were (and would probably say
>>>> that
>>>> 'I'/we weren't), but, even if we can't prove the truth in that respect,
>>>> we're aware of it.
>>>>
>>>> Genuine insanity... or mediocre delusion. One of the two. Only in
>>>> the
>>>> case of the first one could we, as we perceive ourselves, truly be said
>>>> to
>>>> exist; yet how would one tell the difference? How does a self-deluded
>>>> mind
>>>> identify its delusion, if such exists?
>>>>
>>>> Augh.
>>>
>>> I think the only kind of person to *really* figure that out would be a
>>> mind care professional...
>>
>> *nods* Our main concern is that if such a professional diagnosed us, one
>> way or the other, he/she would likely try to 'cure' us, and then if all
>> other means were unavailable we would likely have to kill him/her, and
>
> What for?!
....
There are two possibilities. One is that with such 'curing', we would merge
into each other, lose nothing, and have some happy all-human life 'ever
after'.
But that seems rather unlikely.
The second possibility? We would merge, certainly. All the aspects of our
separate personalities would remain, in one--presumably human--personality.
It would think, maybe a little like us. It would react, maybe a little like
us. It would enjoy its life, certainly, probably to the death as need be;
as would we. To some, it might even be indistinguishable from us when we
currently pretend to be an individual to avoid possibilities which might
stem from revealing our nature/s to those with whom we daily deal.
But we would die.
That human would not think like Markus, like Rupert, like Ghul. Think like
some sort of amalgamated version of us? Perhaps. Retain our memories?
Likely. Think like any one of us? Feel like any one of us? React like any
one of us? Enjoy the same things that any one of us does and not enjoy the
same things that that one does not? No.
Maybe something would live. But not one of us, as we are today, would
survive. And we will defend what life each of us currently has to the
death, if need be.
Ask yourself this, though it is not an exact parallel: which is worse? To
be reprogrammed into a different person, though retaining your memories? Or
to struggle to escape that fate, and killed or reprogrammed if you fail?
>> that's something that we definitely want to avoid having to do if
>> possible.
>
> It's *always* possible. It's your free choice.
>
>> Happily, we've been trying to look into the profession and that imagined
>> senario is looking increasingly unlikely, but we still don't want to take
>> any unnecessary chances if there's still the possibility that things
>> could
>> get ugly.
>
> Life. It already *is* ugly to a point.
True. But, compared to some of the things one of us has been through, it's
beautiful. And even the rest of us have seen much worse things that one
could have to live with than this reality.
--
The Triad
User of 'Thingamaijg!'
Refractor Dragon -=(UDIC)=-
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