Are you guys aware that a Third Tower fell, on 911?

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What do you think about 911 and the contradictions surrounding the official story?

  • Get me out of here! Have had enough of "Conspiracy Theories".

    Votes: 4 80.0%

  • I am a busy professional, and yet to look into the contradictions.

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • I don't buy into it! Something seriously seriously wrong with the Official Story. (a.k.a. Official C

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • I wasn't aware of WTC 7. I would like to know more and then decide for myself!

    Votes: 1 20.0%
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Well, toms hardware is full of tech guys. Some / Many of them do not solve some of the craziest tech issues because they read a book! Many are engineers by background. Which means they also have, at least, a basic understanding of science. Which is all you need to start asking a few questions regarding the official story. Which is a start!
 
I understand.

My question to you is why are you so upset about a building catching fire? If the gov't had done it, there would be whistleblowers all over the place...too many for CNN, Fox, and the like to ignore it. Plus international news would have called the US out on thier bluff of a 'false-flag' operation.

To answer your question as to whether if WTC 7 was a conrolled explosion. No. It was not.

Pyrotechnics would have created a shockwave in the atmosphere, what we science guys call sound. That sound would have been unique in the building alongside the type of explsion. Also, if there were explosives in the building, why didn't any average joe question why a pyrotechnics team was inside the building?

Too many open variables to beg the question.
 


Agree, this is one of the important things to look at!

But there are too many people unaware of the solid science based evidence, eyewitness reports, video evidence, destruction of physical evidence, the official investigations which was a coverup by any means (if one had looked into what they did in the investigations).
To those unware of the contradictions, for them to approach this extremely vast, complex and sensitive subject about 911, is not easy. They have been convinced or rather unaware that facts have been mostly censored by the media.

So one needs to approach this subject a little more cautiously when discussing with the general public. Hence, It is a little difficult for many to accept where that trial leads to and the implications.
An easier start for those who are not aware of the contradictions, would be to begin to look into the barely known Building 7, which has been hidden from public, massive coverup & censorship by media.

Building 7 raises simple & easy to answer questions, from where it is easier to see that the official story is really the conspiracy theory. It simply boils down to, are people willing to see the science based facts and evidence which is out there to see. They will get convinced once they have a look, the evidence is really that overwhelming.

To know more of the contradictions surrounding the official story, visit www.ae911truth.org.
It is one of the most reliable and thoroughly investigated side of the story.
 
Any concern about the substation below WTC7 and that it was designed to only support a building of 25 stories when the substation was built in the late 70s? Stack on a 49 story building that lacked water pressure to stop the fire along with the 2 and 3 hour fire retardant systems.. Yeah, I could see how that one fell. Older building, lacking water to put out the flames, collapses.. what, 8-9 hours after the fires started? Fire department wasn't able to get in there due to the obvious.. they let it burn and eventually it came down do to the weaker structure. Looking at the other WTC buildings, they were all built on more appropriate grounds.

Now I will say that a friend of mine who was an air marshall at that time, with a very long list of military experience and other law enforcement credentials, fully believes to 'know' it to be an inside job. Apparently the 40 somethings floor was completely empty and there was drilling and loud noises the day before. He suspects a crew was brought in, weaked the structure through some construction efforts and were likely killed on scene and left to be found later in the rubble the next day. He does have a long list of credible friends who also believe the same type of scenario. In fact, there are records of major construction happening in that area... which again, weaken the structure to cause a collapse. It is what it is. Fact is, 2 planes were crashed into those buildings. So concerned about WTC 7, what about the Pentagon? Last I remember looking, no one knew anyone on that plane? Conspiracies abound!
 

Good Question! Many people have these questions. (Moot point. I am not upset about that building having caught fire.)

Here is a simple Fact:
Building 7, was only the 3rd steel framed building to have ever collapsed completely, straight down, in a symmetric fashion, and all this at free fall speed / acceleration (This means the building came down as fast as a computer falling from the top of a building!). The Official story was that it happened - due to office fires.
The 1st and 2nd steel framed buildings that collapsed completely due to fires, were the Twin Towers (Fire was again the official reason why they collapsed).

So, this is what we have at hand. Amazingly, The three worst structural failures in history of our planet, all happened on the same day at the same place! Never *before and after 911*, have steel framed buildings collapsed due to fire. There isn't even a single known partial collapse of a steel framed building due to fire, even though there have been much hotter and much longer fires in many buildings around the world. Yet on that particular day, 3 buildings just came down, like a pack of cards waiting to fall.

Unfortunately for those painting this story, Steel framed buildings simply do not collapse due to office fires. Office fires do not generate enough heat to melt or even weaken those massive fire proofed steel beams and columns. One of the strengths of steel, is that it can withstand normal office fires. This is one of the reasons why they build massive buildings using it. Fire is a common scenario in any building. But they do not cause a total system failure and just go down in the blink of an eye!

As for your points about world media not reporting it and too many open variables, true. Point taken. But, if you look into what such statements are made, they are usually based on trust or faith or statements that begin with 'I don't believe'.
What we are saying is to let your intellectual capacity to ask questions take precedence and go at them one by one slowly, maybe starting from Building 7. Let your trust and faith on media and others take a back seat. Let your ability to ask questions and analyze in an objective manner take the first precedence.
There are many questions on this complex topic (similar to what you asked). Many of which cannot be answered yet, only a proper investigation could do that. But there are many facts which contradict very strongly the official story. So do have a look at them for a start.
 
Two extremely important points that should also be considered.

1. There was a 911 Commission report and a NIST investigation which followed in the coming years. Last of which came out around 2008. Stunningly, all eyewitness reports were ignored and not even mentioned in either of them. There are over 150 New York fire officials, cops plus media personnel who saw and heard explosions. All of this was simply ignored. They didnt even mention one single line of them in the report.

2. NIST, while investigation into failure of the 3 buildings. They started off with fire caused the buildings to collapse, and went to great depths and trouble to prove that fire did (fraudulently), and finally ended with fire caused the collapse. Investigations such as these, usually investigate into different hypotheses. NIST considered only one hypothesis - fire. They did not even look into the possible use of explosions. (In spite of point #1 and video evidence which shows the building collapse look similar to controlled demolitions. Plus, no building has ever collapsed partially or completely due to fire and all steel framed buildings that have come down has come down due to explosions. These are simple overwhelming statistics and facts!).

In my humble experience, in spite of such overwhelming statistics and facts to begin with, people still have a hard time because they begin with 'I dont believe' (the implications are shocking). Rather than beginning with it, in an objective manner!
 
Your argument is based on annomilies within the story.

Fact is, The WTC in New York was not only a political stronghold, but a business one as well. Yes, there were papers form major corporations, but what if it were schematics of Intel CPU? Would it still matter. Yes, because in your mind, you think they had possesed a new tech that would have a negative implication and so should be destroyed.

What you present as fact is meley fairytale perpetuated by Jones and the like. You have no credible information, and no, the US government is no more credible than them. The 9/11 commission was a complete blunder under an Adminstration that had no clue how to run a country or investigate an assault on domestic terrirtory. Even today, amny are cluelss on how to secure our nation.

You seem to be fixated on the issue rather than trying to prevent another 'false-flag; operaton. You are concerned that a government of tyrrants is hiding fact from you. To be honest, if you are too stupid and lazy to force this government, based on your own 'professional' opinion, to reveal the 'truth', then you deserve to be lied to. I am done here.
 

Correct me if i am wrong. If there are anomalies with the story, then there is something seriously missing in the story or something wrong with it!

To be honest, if you are too stupid and lazy to force this government, based on your own 'professional' opinion, to reveal the 'truth', then you deserve to be lied to. I am done here.
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Sadly, and unfortunately for you, it is not my government! My government is in a different country.
 
Another thing, those eyewitness accounts would have made international news. The people of ths world woudl not ignore one thing from their experience. I doubt there were personel that heard a massive explosion. Also try flying three large pressurized tin cans at any building and watch it stand for a few minutes.

Also simple physics states that all matter falls at the same terminal velocity...regarless of its mass. Your claim that it was an explosion becasue debri fell twoards earth at the same velocity is fallacious.
 

Yes there is something wrong with it. It is becasue we had a nation that was attaked and an ineffective government who could not do jack shit. Let me put it this way. If they are so sophisticated, then we should have not had a finacial meltdown, we woudl have a balanced budget, we would have peace in the Middle East. We have a shitty government. The extent of the attack would be too much for the US bureaucrats. Now, a highly organized terrorist organization that has the brains behind the wheel...yes, more possible.

BTW, what counrty are you from?
 
Pls Have a look at the evidence before you make statements such as there were no explosions.
Here is a start! It dosent take much of your time for you to watch.


It was reported!

I doubt there were personel that heard a massive explosion.
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Dosent matter. It was heard! And you can hear it too...if you like to. A small clip

Also try flying three large pressurized tin cans at any building and watch it stand for a few minutes.
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Facts please!
There were two planes which bought down three buildings! Not three planes. This is why Building 7 is so important. It was NOT hit by an airplane. The official story begins to fall apart starting here!

Also simple physics states that all matter falls at the same terminal velocity...regarless of its mass.
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Matter falls like that when there is nothing supporting it. When there is something supporting it, well it dosent fall like there is nothing under.
 
If they are so sophisticated, then we should have not had a finacial meltdown...
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Sorry! But, You most certainly live in the US if you believe that your government could not prevent that from happening! You almost make it sound like, their goal was to "prevent" that from happening.

we woudl have a balanced budget,
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Let me take a wild "guess", you have absolutely no clue whatsoever how a modern fiat based currency system actually works! The point of this kind of a financial system is to run budget deficit, and this year after year after year after year.

Lets not hijack this thread. If anybody is interested, do create another thread and I would be happy to discuss on that.
 
well my motivations,
To find out how many people are aware this (or even interested).
What people think like.
If they are willing to stand up and be counted or just continue to live on with their life, since it "dosen't affect them". Ignorance is killing our planet both the planet and people (finance & hence poverty)
 

All we have seen so far are statements without any ability whatsoever to ask simple questions!

You have not been able to contradict any of the important points above, yet you have restored to an immature cheap shot. That dosen't speak of my abilities for sure!

Will wait, until you could possible have a moderately intellectual conversation to ask a few simple questions.
 

On the contrary, Ignorance prevails when people put their faith and trust into a media which is 95% owned by 5 Major corporations who decide what news you are allowed to see, the very same corporations who have major conflicts of interest (business interests) when your country goes to war.

Surprise, surprise...Am sure you are ignorant of this fact too!
 
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