News ASML Asks Customers to Snub Suspected Patent Infringing Rival

thisisaname

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When its customers are going to primarily be in their own country at first, yeah, I'm sure those customers will not buy the precious lithography machines. You betcha! :rolleyes:
Also what them machines are going to be used to produce is going to be for the Chinese market. I'm not sure there is much that can be done to stop it.
While you could stop stuff being exported they have little real power to affect what China does.
After all the things the Chinese have done to companies that have invested in China and companies still invest to me it looks like there is not will to do anything either.
 

JTWrenn

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There should be international trade pressure to make it a losing proposition for China but I doubt it will happen. China has been allowed to just steal there way to dominance for a very long time because of the greed of corporations wanting to get to their massive population.
 
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There should be international trade pressure to make it a losing proposition for China but I doubt it will happen. China has been allowed to just steal there way to dominance for a very long time because of the greed of corporations wanting to get to their massive population.

The chinese central government has been trying to buy one of these systems outright for a few years now -- offering to pay full price, which is high but not as much as they have sunk into trying to develop their own version independently -- but the USA has been leaning hard on dutch authorities not to authorize an export license.

I'm not saying that i support outright IP theft, but I am not surprised if they have resorted to it.
 

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If China has the know-how to reverse engineer and fabricate their own 'copies' then it's really not much of a bombshell to realise they're doing exactly that. They're certainly big enough to benefit extremely significantly from this even if use is restricted to within their own borders. Would it also surprise anyone to know they almost certainly have their hands on the original/s?
In other news, water is wet.
 

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The chinese central government has been trying to buy one of these systems outright for a few years now -- offering to pay full price, which is high but not as much as they have sunk into trying to develop their own version independently -- but the USA has been leaning hard on dutch authorities not to authorize an export license.

I'm not saying that i support outright IP theft, but I am not surprised if they have resorted to it.

I don't think you understand why there were trying to stop that export. This issue is why. They just steal tech like crazy so we don't want to make it easier for them.
 
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I don't think you understand why there were trying to stop that export. This issue is why. They just steal tech like crazy so we don't want to make it easier for them.

You'd think that would be a concern for ASML, a dutch corporation, and maybe not so much for the US department of state.

ASML is projected to sell 3.2 billion dollars worth of equipment into mainland China this year.

But our federal government took it upon themselves to make sure that it doesn't include the top of the line gear.