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[citation][nom]sharpless78[/nom]Well, maybe they have come to the conclusion that adding PCIe 3.0 to low-level CPUs is just plain idiocy?[/citation]
Actually the weird thing is that PCIe 3.0 has fallen off of AMDs future roadmaps even for Piledriver (I would assume it would be the 1000 series chipsets) so thats not quite the reasoning. And there will be people who will want a APU as its cheap and normally a quad core and a high end GPU.
The one thing I don't like about the Z77 Thunderbolt is that it has PCI. While it would be nice for my X-Fi which is PCI, PCI is pretty dead since PCIe is better in every way.
Actually the weird thing is that PCIe 3.0 has fallen off of AMDs future roadmaps even for Piledriver (I would assume it would be the 1000 series chipsets) so thats not quite the reasoning. And there will be people who will want a APU as its cheap and normally a quad core and a high end GPU.
The one thing I don't like about the Z77 Thunderbolt is that it has PCI. While it would be nice for my X-Fi which is PCI, PCI is pretty dead since PCIe is better in every way.
[citation][nom]tokencode[/nom]Ummm Intel is "much much superior"[/citation]
Superior in some features but not others. AMD had 6Gbps SATA well before Intel, and when they did it, they made EVERY port 6Gbps, not just 2. They also had USB 3.0 integrated into their chipset before Intel. Intel, however, had SSD caching before AMD, but with new SSD caching drives including software that peforms just as well, hardware is no longer necessary for that function, making Intel's feature irrelevant. Also, even with all of these new features, AMD's chipsets were far more stable than the initial Sandy Bridge chipsets. AMD is the platform king. Intel just makes fast x86 CPU's.
Now as far as these motherboards go, the Intel ones represent the top-of-the-line for Intel, but only the mainstream middle-cost entries for AMD. Very few APU's are purchased for full-ATX, and ASUS probably has the sales figures to back that up. Many customers won't be putting a 69/7900 series video card in one of these either, and Crossfire support is just a sales point on a spec sheet. I would bet money that many customers would never put more than one video card in one of these boards, so microATX is an appropriate form factor. In fact, I would prefer to see more options for FM2 in mini-ITX, as ASUS and Asrock were the only companies producing mITX boards for FM1. I'd like to see more companies offering them for better competition. Those Lian-Li mITX cases make for very capable mITX towers where you could still put faster desktop drives and a single video card in, if you wanted to.
Superior in some features but not others. AMD had 6Gbps SATA well before Intel, and when they did it, they made EVERY port 6Gbps, not just 2. They also had USB 3.0 integrated into their chipset before Intel. Intel, however, had SSD caching before AMD, but with new SSD caching drives including software that peforms just as well, hardware is no longer necessary for that function, making Intel's feature irrelevant. Also, even with all of these new features, AMD's chipsets were far more stable than the initial Sandy Bridge chipsets. AMD is the platform king. Intel just makes fast x86 CPU's.
Now as far as these motherboards go, the Intel ones represent the top-of-the-line for Intel, but only the mainstream middle-cost entries for AMD. Very few APU's are purchased for full-ATX, and ASUS probably has the sales figures to back that up. Many customers won't be putting a 69/7900 series video card in one of these either, and Crossfire support is just a sales point on a spec sheet. I would bet money that many customers would never put more than one video card in one of these boards, so microATX is an appropriate form factor. In fact, I would prefer to see more options for FM2 in mini-ITX, as ASUS and Asrock were the only companies producing mITX boards for FM1. I'd like to see more companies offering them for better competition. Those Lian-Li mITX cases make for very capable mITX towers where you could still put faster desktop drives and a single video card in, if you wanted to.
One thing I hate about ASUS boards is the edge-mounted SATA ports. It sounds like a good idea until you realize that they also include right-angle cables that limit installation options inside most cases. I'd rather have straight cables and top-mounted ports on the board.
jurassic512
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lp231
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[citation][nom]s3anister[/nom]I wonder what the price premium on the ThunderNiche boards will be. The P8Z77-V is already $450 after all...[/citation]
The Premium is $450, Pro/Thunderbolt cost a lot less and not too much compared to the standard Pro version. The huge price difference for the Premium most likely came from the 32GB cache drive that Asus supplied on the mSATA slot.
The Premium is $450, Pro/Thunderbolt cost a lot less and not too much compared to the standard Pro version. The huge price difference for the Premium most likely came from the 32GB cache drive that Asus supplied on the mSATA slot.
jltrepanier
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eddieroolz
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was hoping to see something like a full sized asus z77 maximus v gene instead of that micro atx with only 6 sata ports.
guess i will have to keep dreaming.
and the commenting system for chrome and fire fox doesn't work well either. i hit submit and my comment gets wiped a few times before it actually accepts one after repeatedly logging in a few times on each page
guess i will have to keep dreaming.
and the commenting system for chrome and fire fox doesn't work well either. i hit submit and my comment gets wiped a few times before it actually accepts one after repeatedly logging in a few times on each page
Despite what the pictures show, it would seem like only the F2A85-M Pro actually support Lucid Virtu MVP and that the F2A85-M (LE) do not. This unless support is for now unofficial and goes without further mentioning for reasons of marketing.
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