[SOLVED] ASUS TUF B450M or MSI B450m Mortar

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Which one is better, both of them has the same price and forget about the rgb it has, what i prioritize is the bios ( i want to overclock the APU ), performance, durability and the features it has
Specs:
-Ryzen 5 2400G
-WD Caviar Blue 1TB
-Be Quiet! System Power U9 500w
-Crucial Ballistix Sport LT 2x4gb Dual channel kit 2666Mhz

Note:
1. I am indonesian so everything costs more
2. My budget is 7.350.000/519.25$ us
3. I need storemi so no b350 for me

questions:
1. Can i use storemi when i downloaded my os and other software at the ssd ( buy hdd later )
2. Which motherboard is better
3. Do i need to buy thermal paste?
4. Is the stock paste good for overclocking( CPU@3.7ghz, GPU@1.3ghz)

Thank you for reading 😉
 
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Honestly, this is a bit of a difficult choice. I have a the B450M MORTAR but ASUS arguably has great BIOS's so it should win for BIOS. But then the Mortar as a far superior VCore VRM... they are both 4phase VCore but the Mortar has doubled FET's and HUGE heat sink that keeps the FET's cool for overclocked 8 core CPU's. But you are looking at a 4 core CPU in the 2400g so that won't be a big consideration unless you factor in future upgrades.

And where the Mortar comes out best is when considering future upgrades: you'll be able to pop in everything up to an 8 core without worry and it has a 2nd M.2 so you can put in a second NVME.

But the bad part about both of these boards is the SOC VRM... they both have only 2 phases and they both also lack any heat sinks on the FET's. For a 2400G that's a real problem since the iGPU draws it's power from the SOC VRM. I'd suggest looking at an Asrock B450M Pro4. If you have it available you might even find it is cheaper.

Answering your questions:
1.Yes, you can load your OS directly to the NVME then add an HDD later and then use StoreMI to increase the size of the system volume. There are several options for how you can set it up: I'd seriously go read the AMD FAQ.

https://www.amd.com/system/files/2018-04/AMD-StoreMI-FAQ.pdf

Setting up StoreMI was suprisingly easy on my system. And that's really a problem, in my opinion, because it's really a complex system when it's installed and operating. Being set up so easily you don't gain an understanding of exactly what's happening, what drivers and system services are being used and exactly where data is being stored and how to recover from crashes. That leads to problems down the road, so be careful and read all you can before going down this path.

2.Which motherboard is better very much depends (see above), but neither is really very good for a 2400g.
3.If you have a brand-new 2400G you won't need thermal paste as it is pre-applied to the stock wraith cooler.
4.The stock paste is as good for overclocking as the stock cooler is: which is to say, limited. But you could say the cooler itself will be the limiter.
5.There are quite a few reviews posted around the net on 2400G, overclocked and not, on stock cooler and aftermarket coolers. I'd go look at some of those rather than getting opinions from here. Much depends on your skill and tenacity and tolerance for what you consider a safe 'voltage' or 'temperature'. Also, noting you live in Indonesia, your room temp factors heavily in your success.
 
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Thank you for the answer :)
So i need a motherboard with a heatsink at the SoC VRM
What about the b450 Pro4 (ATX) is it a good APU board
What about the tomahawk, i can afford it
I have 1 question about psu
Seasonic M12II or MasterWatt 550 semi modular
 


Of all the motherboards mentioned by you or I, the Tomahawk is clearly the best if you want to overclock an 8 core CPU. While it only has a 2 phase SOC VRM it is still a solid board for a 2400g as it uses 4 excellent FETS on each phase (two hi-side, two lo-side) AND has a large heatsink on them. But it does lack the 2nd M.2 of the Mortar, not that big of a deal but still would be nice to have.

The Asrock B450 Pro4 in ATX is equally as good as the mATX variant, with 3 VSOC phases and heatsinks, but slightly less capable than the Tomahawk for overclocking an 8 core CPU. Not really a consideration for your 2400G, but I'm thinking ahead. The Tomahawk forms the basis of a very up-gradeable system and will rock if you're plan is to continue on to a discrete GPU and a more potent CPU, especially the Ryzen 3000.

It's really hard to decide: the Pro4 would probably serve better for your 2400g but the Tomahawk is clearly the better for considering future upgrades going to a discrete GPU. I'd personally opt for the Tomahawk as I don't think it would cripple a 2400g at all.

I'm not that familiar with PSU's, but Seasonic is very reputable. 550W is enough power for a 2400g and should still be good when putting in a discrete GPU up to a 2070 or 2080 class.
 


It's VRM is built similar to the Asus B450m TUF: that is it looks like a high-phase count but that's just a bunch of chokes stuck on the board to make it look that way. Also, it lacks any heatsinking on the SOC FET's so your 2400g won't be well served. And actually, even one phase of the VCore VRM has no heatsink on it's FET's.

In my opinion, Gigabyte's BIOS has not been all that great for their AM4 lineup in the B350/B450 boards. I have a B350M Gaming 3 I swapped out to the B450M Mortar for that reason.

But my real beef with this one, as well as the Asus board, is what I consider the deceptive practice of doubling up inductors. Electrically it degrades VRM performance more than it helps to put only the inductors in parallel so the only reason for doing so has to be trying to deceive us into thinking those are higher phase count VRM's than they are.
 
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