ASUS X79 System Design Contest Round 3

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I see most entries having 1200-1500 watt PSUs, and those seem like they're enough. I think that these PSU calculators tend to overestimate. Guru3D was using a 1200W PSU while testing 2 GTX 590s in Quad-SLI. Didn't report any problems with this setup.



I have to agree. The Realtek ALC898 may be good for onboard audio, but it's just that--onboard audio. Can you really compare it to a dedicated ~$200 sound card? Or even a sub-$100 one? I bet it doesn't even compare to the $30 ASUS Xonar DG.
 


From what I have read, onboard audio has gotten much better over time to the point where differences with dedicated weren't noticeable most of the time. The actual speakers/headphones make the difference.
 


From what I have read, onboard audio has gotten much better over time to the point where differences with dedicated weren't noticeable most of the time. The actual speakers/headphones make the difference.

I think I hear a call for a Tom's review... just kidding.

From what I've read and experienced mysef, and I note my personal experience counts for little, unless you're an audiophile and willing to spend hundreds of dollars on real top-of-the-line sound cards, and the subwoofer and satelite speakers to boot, it's rare nowadays to notice the diffenrence. I had considered a sound card for my build simply beause I was going to use my rig for more general entertainment for my room, but really a cheap $30 Logitech 2.1 system has produced a quality sound experience as best as I can tell. Much of the differnece comes from the way the software handles sound, and it seems a board with onboard 7-channels of audio has done a well enough job on the software end. The speakers are probably more important.
 
From what I have read, onboard audio has gotten much better over time to the point where differences with dedicated weren't noticeable most of the time. The actual speakers/headphones make the difference.

If onboard audio has gotten better over time, it only follows that dedicated audio has gotten better as well.

My brother's ASRock P67 Extreme4 has Realtek ALC892 onboard audio; I have a Creative XtremeMusic X-Fi card. We both have Altec Lansing MX5021 speakers from a few years ago. I'm not an audiophile, but I do enjoy good sound. The difference is like night and day. Also, if you look up any review of the Asus Xonar DG ($30 card), you will see that they all agree that this little card is quite a bit better than onboard audio. Those reviews are about a year old so the boards are recent.

Yes, the speakers are more important than the audio processor. But that doesn't take anything away from the importance of a good sound card.

I was actually looking at reviews of the Xonar DG because I want to give my brother a little Christmas present, just because I hate his onboard audio. This review says it best:

"That brings me to the question we posed at the beginning of this review, which is whether you really need a sound card at all. The simple answer is no. You can get by with integrated audio and live blissfully unaware of what you're missing or stubbornly claim that no difference exists. I bet you could get by playing games at lower resolutions and without antialiasing and anisotropic filtering, too. You probably don't really need a solid-state drive to load games a few seconds faster, and you'd likely survive with two CPU cores rather than four or six. The question is not whether you need those upgrades, but if they're worth the additional expense. In the case of the $30 Xonar DG, the answer is a definitive yes..."
 

where can i see the case and building plans
 
CPU: Intel Core i7-3930K - $599.99
Motherboard: ASUS Rampage IV Extreme - $449.99
RAM: GeIL EVO CORSA Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) x 4 - $129.99 x4 = $519.96
GPU: ASUS GeForce GTX 590 x 3 - $749.99 x3 = $2,249.97
PSU: SeaSonic X-1250 - $269.99
Case: COOLER MASTER HAF X Blue Edition - $199.99
Mass Storage: Seagate Barracuda ST31000524AS 1TB 7200 RPM - $129.99
Liquid Cooling: Zalman Reserator CPU and GPU cooling - $259.99
VGA Cooling Block: XSPC Razor x 3 - $104.99 x3 = $314.97


Total - $4,994.84


64 GB or RAM can be used as a RAM Drive and the whole system can be overclocked quite nicely.
 
Kevins 5K Killer
Processor: Intel Core i7-3930k $599.99
Motherboard: ASUS Rampage IV Extreme Motherboard $449.99
RAM: G.Skill Ripjaws Z 32gb DDR3 2133 $289.99USD
Graphics Card: 2xASUS MATRIX GTX580 P/2DIS/1536MD5 GeForce GTX 580 $529.99x2
Hard Drive: 2xCrucial M4 512gb Sata 3 SSD(in raid 0)$759.99x2
Case: Thermaltake Level 10 GT (VN10001W2N) Black Steel SECC / Plastic ATX Full Tower $239.99
Power Supply: Thermaltake Toughpower XT TPX-1475M 1475W ATX 12V 2.3 & SSI EPS 12V 2.92 SLI Ready CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS GOLD Certified Modular Active PFC Power Supply $399.99
Cooling: Thermaltake CLP0575 Frio OCK Universal CPU Cooler $85.99
Blue Ray Burner #1: ASUS Black 12X BD-R 2X BD-RE 16X DVD+R 12X DVD-RAM 8X BD-ROM 8MB Cache SATA Blu-ray Burner $99.99
Blue Ray #2ASUS Black 12X BD-ROM 16X DVD-ROM 48X CD-ROM SATA Internal Blu-ray Drive $57.99

Total Cost:$4,803.88USD

This is the best all around gamer i can bring you.

High end Cpu/Case cooling to insure a smooth overclock even with 6-cores, enough ram to support a 124 player Minecraft server with a high enough clock speed to support any overclock.. It also boosts 1tb of the fastest storage possible made even faster by raid 0! and enough video power/Vram from a pair of the fastest single gpu ever to guarantee perfect 1080p game play on 1 or even 3 monitors. The power supply is "Gold Rated" with more powers and connectors then i ever could use, combined with a unique case id be using this combo for the next ten years!

That leaves 200$ on the table for tweaking the cooling, storage or adding converters, lighting or even a nice display port monitor!
 
Ryan's Rad Red Machine
Processor: Intel Core i7-3960X - $1,049.99
Motherboard: ASUS Rampage IV Extreme - $449.99
RAM: 2X Corsair Vengeance 16GB Quad-Channel Memory Kit - $165.98 ($82.99 each)
Graphics Card: 4X XFX Radeon HD 6970 2GB - $1359.96 ($339.99 each)
Hard Drive: Corsair Force Series GT 480GB - $879.99
Case: Antec Lanboy Air - $139.99
Power Supply: XFX ProSeries 1250W - $269.99
Cooling: Corsair Hydro Series H80 CPU Cooler - $93.99
DVD Burner: ASUS BW-12B1ST - $99.99

Total: $4509.87

(Prices and availability current as of 12/18/2011)

Explaining the logic behind my choices~

Since my past systems have generally been blue and black color themed, I thought I would go with a red and black theme this time - the motherboard and ram are black and red already so they will tie in quite nicely! Killing your friends is a lot of fun and the whole red theme ties in with the virtual blood I want to spill (don't worry, I will utilize a tiny bit of system power to play them some really sweet funeral music). I am also attempting to stick with the same vendors and use just one store here as much as possible to simplify things and to stay with the color scheme (NewEgg's products are listed on PriceGrabber.com as well).

It could have been tough to choose between AMD and NVidia when it came to a graphics card since they both offer great modern high end cards. AMD cards tend to feature the red color I am going for here though - so that made the choice a bit easier. With new cards from AMD just over the horizon, its also really tough not to want to wait a month and splurge on the HD 7000 series. While ASUS offers AMD cards, they were limited on supply with their higher end HD 6000 series cards (likely due to AMD's chip output and to high demand), so I looked into a VisionTek card until I realized that they used blue PCB on the card I had chosen. Since the cards back end faces upwards and I get to choose whatever I want in this ultimate dream build, that was a deal breaker for me. I found another option in the XFX HD 6970. I think that it matches ASUS's Rampage IV Extreme motherboard colors quite well.

This is a rather hefty ultimate gaming system (four video cards!) and some may think it should be housed in a full sized ATX case, but I want a case that would still allow me to take my PC to LAN parties if I so desired. I have lugged a full-sized ATX case to a LAN party before and I would really prefer something a tad smaller. Antec's Lanboy Air (in Red!) is a mid-tower case that seems to fit the bill. Aside from Antec being a well-known name, I happen to like this flashy case - although I can understand it may not be everyone's favorite flavor.

I was thinking that a 480GB SSD might be too much, but then considered that this system is top end so it should be fairly future-proof. I want my system drive to be that way too and to store everything I want on it. Games are ever-increasing in size, particularly the more vast RPGs. What kind of an ultimate system wouldn't allow for a little extra media to be stored as well? With hard drive prices up and SSD prices continually dropping, it makes even more sense to go with an SSD over a traditional hard drive. If you're going to dream big, dream small...with large capacity of course! Its within the $5000 budget so I went ahead and opted for a Corsair Force GT 480GB Solid State Drive (in red, of course). ASUS's Rampage Extreme has a RAID controller so one could choose to save a few bucks and utilize RAID 0 or RAID 1 and use dual 240GBs instead.

After MUCH (a couple of hours) of debate (which shows my enthusiasm for hardware considering that I am not actually building this system, lol) I finally decided to go with XFX's in part, due to the five-year warranty (I noticed that Corsair has a 1200w PSU with a seven-year warranty but it does not have four 8-pin connectors). It also matches the graphics cards in aesthetics fairly well, has a modular design, suitably strong power output, and a company name I am fairly familiar with. It was a really tough decision, but I didn't want to ruin the color scheme I had going, and at least one of the options only came with a two year warranty, from a brand that has lasted me only three years in the past. I also wanted something that I had hoped would stay pretty quiet so as not to add to the noise that will already be coming from quad crossfire. Luckily, the Corsair Hydro Series H80 CPU Cooler should help keep things quiet as well.

I already own a couple of modestly fast DVD burners to throw into the system, but because future games "may" come on a Blu-Ray disc, and since I am trying to go with the same vendors here, I opted for the ASUS BW-12B1ST.

Well, that does it for my build. Total cost before rebates and a bit of shipping comes to $4509.87. I believe most of the shipping was free, and a few items have mail-in rebates which makes the deal just that much sweeter. Sorry to those in other countries who are ineligible 🙁 but good luck to everyone who enters :).
 
 


Isn't the GTX590 already a dual gpu card? i dont think you can have more then two...
 
The Ultimate Silent but Deadly Personal Computer
Processor: Intel Core i7-3930K Sandy Bridge-E 3.2GHz (3.8GHz Turbo) LGA2011: $599.99
CPU Cooling: XSPC RayStorm High Performance Acetal CPU Water Block: $59.95
Motherboard: ASUS Rampage IV Extreme Motherboard: $416.79
X79 Waterblock: EK ASUS Rampage IV Extreme Full Board Cooling Block (EK-FB KIT RE4 - Acetal+EN (Nickel)): $139.95
RAM: Mushkin Enhanced Redline 8GB (4 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 2133: $104.99
Graphics Card: 3 X ASUS ENGTX570 DCII/2DIS/1280MD5 GeForce GTX 570 (Fermi) 1280MB: $1019.97 ($339.99 each)
GPU Waterblock: 3 X EK ASUS 580 DCII VGA Liquid Cooling Block (EK-FC580 DCII - EN (Nickel)): $344.97 ($114.99 each)
GPU Backplate: 3 X EK GeForce ASUS 580 DCII VGA Liquid Cooling RAM Backplate (EK-FC580 DCII Backplate):$110.85 ($36.95 each)
SLI Parallel Connection: EK FC Bridge Triple Parallel - SLI Connection (EK-FC Bridge Triple Parallel): $24.99
SLI Connection Link: 3 X EK FC Link GeForce - SLI Connection (EK-FC Link GeForce): $40.50 ($13.50 each)
Hard Drive: SAMSUNG Spinpoint F3 HD103SJ 1TB 32MB: $149.99
SSD: Mushkin Enhanced Chronos Deluxe MKNSSDCR120GB-DX 120GB SATA III: $184.99
Case: Lian Li PC-V2120B: $379.99
Case Window: 522mm x 451mm Viewable DIY Bolt-On Full Window Kit: $49.99
Power Supply: SeaSonic X-1250 1250W: $269.99
Reservoir: Koolance RP-452X2 Dual 5.25 Reservoir: $129.99
LED: 2 X Dual Ultra Bright LED Cable, 4-pin, UV: $7.98 ($3.99 each)
Pump: 2 X Koolance PMP-450: $153.98 ($76.99 each)
Pump Controller: Koolance CTR-SPD24X2 Dual 24V Pump Controller: $79.99
Radiator 120mm: Black Ice SR1 360 Black Carbon 9FPI: $102.99
Radiator 140mm: Black Ice SR1 280 Black Carbon 9FPI: $109.99
Tubing: 20ft X Clear UV-Reactive PVC, 1ft/30.5cm [ID: 10mm (3/8in); OD: 16mm (5/8in)]: $31.80 ($1.59 per ft)
Tubing Spring Wrap: 20ft X Tubing Spring Wrap, Steel Black [For OD: 16mm (5/8in)]: $59.80 ($2.99 per ft)
Compression Fitting: 13 X Bitspower Matte Black Ultimate G 1/4 Thread 3/8" ID x 5/8" OD Rotary: $168.87 ($12.99 each)
Compression Fitting 90 degree: 2 X Bitspower G1/4 Thread 90-Degree Rotary 3/8" ID x 5/8" OD: $35.98 ($17.99 each)
Compression Fitting 45 degree: 1 X Bitspower G1/4 Thread 45-Degree Rotary 3/8" ID x 5/8" OD Compression Fitting: $16.49
Fan 120mm: 3 X Noctua NF-P12 120mm: $62.25 ($20.75 each)
Fan 140mm: 2 X Noiseblocker NB-BlackSilentPro PK-1 140mm x 25mm Ultra Quiet Fan - 700 RPM - 9 dBA: $49.90 ($24.95 each)
Shroud 120mm: 3 X Phobya Shroud & Decoupling Gasket 120mm (7mm thickness): $13.50 ($4.50 each)
Shroud 140mm: 2 X Phobya Shroud & Decoupling Gasket 140mm (7mm thickness): $9.00 ($4.50 each)
Liquid: 2 X Liquid Coolant Bottle, High-Performance, 700mL (UV Red): $29.98 ($14.99 each)
Cold Cathode: Cold Cathode, 12in UV Dual: $10.99
System Sleeving Kit: Mod/Smart Professional Kobra System Sleeving Kit - UV Red (SKIT2P-UVR): $41.95
DVD Burner: ASUS DRW-24B3LT 24X DVD Burner SATA LightScribe Support: $25.99

Grand Total: $5,039.32

Rebate: SAMSUNG Spinpoint F3 HD103SJ 1TB 32MB: $40 promo code Ends 12/21/11

Grand Total with rebate: $4,999.32

The purpose of this build is to run silent, while maintaining the highest overclocks and keeping each component as cool as it could possible be (temperature and style).

The Koolance RP-452X2 Dual 5.25 Reservoir allows this system to have two separate loops:

Loop 1 is parallel: 1. Pump 1 (out)/reservoir - 2. EK FC Bridge Triple Parallel SLI Connection - 3. Black Ice SR1 360 Black Carbon 3 X 120mm radiator- 4. Pump 1 (in)/reservoir.

Loop 2 is serial: 1. Pump 2 (out)/reservoir - 2. XSPC RayStorm CPU water block - 3. EK X79 VRM water block - 4. EK X79 Chipset water block - 5. Black Ice SR1 280 Black Carbon 2 X 140mm radiator - 5. Pump 2 (in)/ reservoir.

Note: EK ASUS 580 DCII VGA Liquid Cooling Block (EK-FC580 DCII - EN (Nickel)) is compatible with the ASUS ENGTX570 DCII/2DIS/1280MD5 GeForce GTX 570 (Fermi) 1280MB. The EK Cooling block also comes with 2-slot i/o shield for the ASUS DCII 580/570 GPU.

Note 2: The ASUS Rampage IV Extreme motherboard allows LGA1366 cpu coolers to be used with the included "X-Socket."
 
NASTY Beast Build

Case: Cooler Master HAF X - $150.86
Motherboard: ASUS Rampage IV Extreme Motherboard - $416.79
CPU: Intel Core i7-3960X - $945.94
RAM: (x2) CORSAIR Vengeance 16GB (4x4GB), 1866MHz - ($159.99) $319.98
GPU: (x2) ASUS GeForce GTX 590 - ($749.99) $1499.98
PSU: Corsair Professional Series Gold 1200-Watt - $244.28

SSD: Intel 510 Series 120 GB SATA 6Gb/s - $275.00
HDD: (x2) Hitachi Deskstar 7K1000.C, 1TB, 7200 RPM - ($99.99) $199.98
Optical Drive: Super Multi Blue with 3D Playback Blu-ray Disc Rewriter WH12LS38 - $79.99

Cooling - Reservoir: Koolance Dual 5.25" Reservoir - $129.99
Cooling - Pumps: Koolance high flow pump PMP-450S - ($76.99) $153.98
Cooling L1 - Radiator: Koolance Dual 140mm Copper High Flow Radiator - $67.95
Cooling L1 - Radiator Fans: (x2) XSPC 140mm x 25mm radiator specific fan - ($8.99) $17.98
Cooling L1 - CPU Block: XSPC RayStorm - $62.99
Cooling L2 - Radiator: Magicool Extreme Triple 180mm Slim Radiator - $109.95
Cooling L2 - Radiator Fans: (x3) Phobya 180mm x 25mm - ($14.95) $44.85
Cooling L2 - GPU Blocks: (x2) XSPC Razor nVidia GTX 590 Full Coverage VGA Block - ($104.99) $209.98
Cooling - MISC.: (x6) XSPC G1/4" to 3/8" compression fitting - ($3.50) $21
Cooling - MISC.: (x8) EK G 1/4" Thread Barb - 3/8" ID - ($2.49) $19.92
Cooling - MISC.: PrimoFlex Pro LRT Clear Tubing, 10ft pack - $16.25

MISC.: (x4) 3mm Red LED's - ($0.50) $2.00
MISC.: DIY Window Kit, Jr. Rectangle - $8.99

Grand Total = $4998.63

To the judges/moderators/officials/ETC. Please note that the pricing on the Case and CPU (both found at Amazon) are the correct price as of the time of this posting. When first looking on the page it shows the higher priced choice sold directly by amazon.com where as the price I included is the lowest price its available for on amazon.com but sold by a separate vendor. Also note the pricing on the compression fittings (from xoxide.com) that I listed is the discounted rate you get when purchasing 4 or more units at a time. Should any of the prices change due to items selling out, then the MISC. items I've listed as well as 1 of the 2 HDD's can be removed to compensate thereby still leaving me ~$10 to spare.

Other notes: CPU, and GPU's would be overclocked as high as possible while remaining stable. I opted for an Intel SSD even though they are not the fastest, because from the reviews I've read they are more reliable. Also with 32GB ram, some will be used as a cache for the 1TB drive (2, 1TB drives in raid). May also allocate some of that RAM for a RAM disk. The benefits of having so much ram 😉 and in either case, it would be much faster than even the fastest SSD on the market.

Edit: Had to change some stuff around because I forgot radiator fans and only had $0.97 left to spare (old total = $4999.03) So after changing some things I had about 12 dollars left over, and felt the need to allocate it. I got 4 red LED's for the CPU water block which has 4 LED holes and comes with 2 LED's... but they're blue and red would look much better considering the case/mobo colors. Also I got a mini window kit because the HAF X case has the big ducted fan for the GPU's blocking a large part of the side window. Since the GPU's for this build will be water cooled I won't need it. I would probably just remove the shroud/duct and use it elsewhere in the case.
 
CPU: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819116491 Price: $1049.99 Name: Core i7 3960x

Case: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811119225 Price: $199.99 Name: Coolermaster HAF-X RC-942

Motherboard: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131803 Price: $469.99 comes with BF3 Name: ASUS Rampage IV Extreme

Graphics cards: 4x http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814121429 Price: $499.99 ea total: $1,999.96 Name: ASUS ENGGTX580DCII

Power Supply: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817153154 Price: $399.99 Name: Thermaltake Toughpower XT TPX-1475M

Memory: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820233232 Price: $329.99 Name: Corsair Vengence 32GB (4x8GB)

Cooling: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835181017 Price: $119.99 Name: Corsair H100 Extreme Performance Cooler

Hard Drive 1: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820233191 Price: $249.99 with $50.00 instant savings so $199.99 Name:Corsair Force Series GT SSD 120GB

Hard Drive 2: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822152238 Price: $199.99 Name: Samsung Spinpoint F3R 1TB

Optical Drive: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827135204 Price: $19.99 Name: ASUS 24X DVD Burner

Total overall: $4,989.87
 
Processor: Intel Core i7-3960xExtreme Edition, 1049.99
Motherboard: ASUS Rampage IV Extreme LGA 2011, 469.99
RAM: Corsair Vengeance 12 GB DDR3 1600, 70.00
Graphics Card 1: ASUS ENGTX590/3DIS/3GD5, 749.99
Graphics Card 2: ASUS ENGTX590/3DIS/3GD5, 749.99
Hard Drive 1: Mushkin Enhanced Chronos SSD 240GB, 314.99
Hard Drive 2: Samsung Spinpoint F3 1TB 7200RPM, 149.99
Case: Corsair Obsidian Series 800D Full Tower, 259.99
Power Supply: Antec CP-1000, 1000W Modular, 149.99
Cooling (CPU): Corsair H80 Liquid CPU Cooler, 93.99
Cooling (Case): Antec 120mm top exhaust fan, 9.99
Cooling (Case): Antec 120mm top exhaust fan, 9.99
DVD Burner: ASUS DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS, DVD Burner, 19.99
Total: 4098.88
 

As someone who "only" went with a 1050W PSU (and, at least for now, only one graphics card), I definitely agree that anyone with a 1200-1500 watt PSU and two graphics cards would seem like enough.

My concern is looking at the power consumption on this chart: http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/radeon-geforce-stutter-crossfire,2995-14.html

To quote the article, "And the more GPUs you add, the worse the situation becomes."

Trying to reconcile that with people who want to have 3+ 580 graphic cards, on top of RAID disk arrays, an SSD, DVD drive and whatever else with an i7-3960x, but are at the low end (or below) the range you gave...it just seems like a very bad idea if your PSU is below what Asus' Recommended Power Supply Wattage Calculator is suggesting. A sufficient PSU with an adequate margin of error seems like a no brainer in a build. Who knows, maybe 1200W is plenty for 3 580s, with no problem overclocking to your hearts desire...but there are definitely some builds with PSUs just slapped in to qualify for the contest or people who aren't putting enough thought into their PSUs when building a PC.
 
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