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On 7 Jul 2005 02:41:03 -0700, "aether" <vercingetorix@hotmail.com>
wrote:

>patrickp wrote:
>That would appear to rate "aether," if he really
>> believes what he quotes, as more gullible than a National Front moron,
>> and that takes some doing! Apart from anything else, a very large
>> component of immigration into this country now is actually white,
>> mostly people from Eastern Europe.
>>
>> <patrickp@5acoustibop.co.uk> - take five to email me...
>
>You're clearly deluding yourself. The information presented is drawn
>from official government data, as assembled by the British Observer.
>Whites in Britain will be a minority long before 2100, and I suspect
>they're already as such in London. The non-White population in England
>and Wales has grown by three per cent over the last decade alone to
>nine per cent -- and that's the official government data. Real figures
>are likely higher. In the UK as a whole, the population of non-Whites
>far exceeds the population of the Republic of Ireland. Leicester, for
>instance, is almost devoid of Whites in most areas. You're the moron,
>bud.
>
>The source of the data:
>
>The Observer 'UK whites will be minority by 2100' September 3, 2000,
>http://www.observer.co.uk/uk_news/story/0,6903,363750,00.html
>
>More information I present which can't be countered:
>
>'Whites are quitting cities' as immigrants move in: UK (note how 'The
>Sun' took down the link to the article)
>http://www.libertypost.org/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=84322
>
>Whites blessed by diversity and multiculturalism: (they're dead)
>http://www.drypool.net/cgi-bin/system.pl?id=nfflist
>
>In Holland, The Same Process Is Occurring
>Dutch Emigrate as Muslims Immigrate
>http://frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=17199
>
>Eventually, Britain must become Fascist in order to save itself. As
>must all of Europe. Otherwise, get to know your local Mullah and learn
>Arabic.


2100? You said 2010. By 2100, it will be a pointless issue, as the
ethnicities of all the people coming into the country now will have
been thoroughly homogenised - you're talking 95 years!

And by 2010, your original figure - no chance! I notice you've
carefully removed the parts of your previous post and my reply where
we both used that figure. Get it right! And don't call others morons
without checking your own intelligence level - the comparison would
not seem to be in your favour.

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>>>2100? You said 2010. By 2100, it will be a pointless issue, as the
ethnicities of all the people coming into the country now will have
been thoroughly homogenised - you're talking 95 years!<<<

Are you on any medications or do you generally not pay attention? The
2010 figure is for the city of London. The 2100 estimate is for the UK
in it's entirety. Personally, I think both figures are
underestimations. London is already a majority non-White city, and the
UK as a whole should be a majority non-White country within 35 years.
It's a matter of simple mathematics. The 'immigrants' and 'asylum
seekers' have tremendously high birthrates, and hundreds of thousands
more are joining them every year. Native Brits, on the other hand, have
birth rates below replacement level.

 

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>>>That's laughable. I live and work in SE London, one of the city areas
with the highest immigrant populations, and my job is with the
Greenwich LEA. Part of what I do is to administer school meals
centrally, which involves working with Asylum Seeker and ethnicity
figures for free school meals. And I can tell you - your ideas about
immigration in London are rubbish.

And as for your 2100 ideas - they're both rubbish and meaningless.
You clearly haven't stopped to consider the obvious: immimgrant
populations don't keep on being immigrants. They integrate into the
local population. In 95 years time, all the immigrant population of
today, and of the next 80 to 95 years, will have become British - and
that's even assuming that levels of immigration remain constant,
which, over a period of 95 years, is extraordinarily unlikely.<<<<

I almost feel for one deluded such as yourself. You live in a fantasy
world which exists only in your mind. Reality surrounds you, but you're
trapped in your own little world. It'd be a case study for mental
illness, if it weren't so common. In inner London, 55 per cent of all
births are to foreign-born mothers. According to the Department for
Work and Pensions, an astonishing 61 per cent of Bangladeshis in
Britain are either unemployed or economically inactive, compared with
just 23 per cent of the White population, while 45 per cent of Africans
are unemployed. Overall, 41 per cent of ethnic minorities are without
jobs - hardly the dynamic contribution so often portrayed in state
propaganda.

According to the British Crime Survey, 31 per cent of all street
robberies in Britain are committed by criminals of African-Caribbean
origin, while at least 60 per cent of all muggings in London are
perpetrated by blacks.

This information means little to you, of course, because you're not
right in the head. To rational British people, nothing is more
important.

 

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On 7 Jul 2005 19:13:29 -0700, "aether" <vercingetorix@hotmail.com>
wrote:

>>>>2100? You said 2010. By 2100, it will be a pointless issue, as the
>ethnicities of all the people coming into the country now will have
>been thoroughly homogenised - you're talking 95 years!<<<
>
>Are you on any medications or do you generally not pay attention? The
>2010 figure is for the city of London. The 2100 estimate is for the UK
>in it's entirety. Personally, I think both figures are
>underestimations. London is already a majority non-White city, and the
>UK as a whole should be a majority non-White country within 35 years.
>It's a matter of simple mathematics. The 'immigrants' and 'asylum
>seekers' have tremendously high birthrates, and hundreds of thousands
>more are joining them every year. Native Brits, on the other hand, have
>birth rates below replacement level.


That's laughable. I live and work in SE London, one of the city areas
with the highest immigrant populations, and my job is with the
Greenwich LEA. Part of what I do is to administer school meals
centrally, which involves working with Asylum Seeker and ethnicity
figures for free school meals. And I can tell you - your ideas about
immigration in London are rubbish.

And as for your 2100 ideas - they're both rubbish and meaningless.
You clearly haven't stopped to consider the obvious: immimgrant
populations don't keep on being immigrants. They integrate into the
local population. In 95 years time, all the immigrant population of
today, and of the next 80 to 95 years, will have become British - and
that's even assuming that levels of immigration remain constant,
which, over a period of 95 years, is extraordinarily unlikely.

And the other misapprehension you appear to be labouring under is that
immigration is necessarily a bad thing. By this standard, the makeup
of the present population of North America must horrify you - it's
almost entirely made up from immigrant populations from the last 500
years or so. Perhaps the Native American (I hope that's the correct
term - I'm not American) population might agree with you, but I doubt
that most of the people in North America would.

And, as for London already being a majority non-white city... that
shows where you're coming from - cloud cuckoo land! Even the local
National Front morons would laugh at you for that!

I notice you're careful not to make any declarations about who you are
or where you're from - a wise move for someone who posts as
ludicrously as you do - but I'm willing to bet it's nowhere near the
UK, or you'd know better. I'd guess North America, and you're one of
the majority immigrant population...

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the bigottedl person aether <vercingetorix@hotmail.com> said
<snip>
>According to the British Crime Survey, 31 per cent of all street
>robberies in Britain are committed by criminals of African-Caribbean
>origin, while at least 60 per cent of all muggings in London are
>perpetrated by blacks.

Yeah well, once it was 60% of violent crimes are committed by Vikings,
and then it was 80% of property crimes were perpetrated by Normans. back
before then, the Dinosaurs thought they owned the country too. In the
future you'll discover that the AIs are pretty p!ssed off when the Post
Singularity CIs take over all the best hardware.

Grow up. Or better yet leave, we'd be well rid of you.
Oh yes, while I remember, <plonk>

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The crux of the hostility on the part of others in this thread, is that
I'm hateful and wrong for believing diversity is folly.

I believe that, and I quote, "A diverse, peaceful, or stable society is
against most historical precedent." (Dick Lamm; former Governor of
Colorado)

Upon examining history, one finds that so-called 'diverse' societies
are in ceaseless conflict, rarely stable, and always unhappy.

Japan, I believe, should be the model of the West. For Japan has a
past, a present, and a future.

 

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On 8 Jul 2005 03:49:10 -0700, "aether" <vercingetorix@hotmail.com>
wrote:

>>>>That's laughable. I live and work in SE London, one of the city areas
>with the highest immigrant populations, and my job is with the
>Greenwich LEA. Part of what I do is to administer school meals
>centrally, which involves working with Asylum Seeker and ethnicity
>figures for free school meals. And I can tell you - your ideas about
>immigration in London are rubbish.
>
>And as for your 2100 ideas - they're both rubbish and meaningless.
>You clearly haven't stopped to consider the obvious: immimgrant
>populations don't keep on being immigrants. They integrate into the
>local population. In 95 years time, all the immigrant population of
>today, and of the next 80 to 95 years, will have become British - and
>that's even assuming that levels of immigration remain constant,
>which, over a period of 95 years, is extraordinarily unlikely.<<<<
>
>I almost feel for one deluded such as yourself. You live in a fantasy
>world which exists only in your mind. Reality surrounds you, but you're
>trapped in your own little world. It'd be a case study for mental
>illness, if it weren't so common. In inner London, 55 per cent of all
>births are to foreign-born mothers. According to the Department for
>Work and Pensions, an astonishing 61 per cent of Bangladeshis in
>Britain are either unemployed or economically inactive, compared with
>just 23 per cent of the White population, while 45 per cent of Africans
>are unemployed. Overall, 41 per cent of ethnic minorities are without
>jobs - hardly the dynamic contribution so often portrayed in state
>propaganda.


LOL! Asylum Seekers are not _allowed_ to work until they get
permission to stay, which can take years. So it's not surprising
there are high levels of immigrant unemployment. And in what way is
that a meaningful response to what I said?

>
>According to the British Crime Survey, 31 per cent of all street
>robberies in Britain are committed by criminals of African-Caribbean
>origin, while at least 60 per cent of all muggings in London are
>perpetrated by blacks.


The greatest number of crimes will, clearly, be committed by the most
economically disadvantaged people. How surprising. Plus the fact
that 'mugging' is now a meaningless term since it's become used to
cover everything from street robbery with violence to picking up
something off the street.

Our police force, is, of course, in no way racist themselves, nor are
crime statistics derived mostly from reports by white people. And, of
course, again, this is in no way whatsoever a response to what I said.

>
>This information means little to you, of course, because you're not
>right in the head. To rational British people, nothing is more
>important.


This information means a great deal to me. I deduce from it that I'm
talking to an irrational bigot. You still haven't revealed what
qualifies someone who is probably of North American immigrant origin
themselves to rave about imigration issues elesewhere, nor are you
anywhere near responding to my points, and I doubt you will. Not
rationally, anyway. Your rantings are beginning to get tedious.
Beginning? Continuing to be would be much more appropriate.

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On Fri, 08 Jul 2005 20:38:04 GMT, patrickp <patrickp@5acoustibop.co.uk>
wrote:

>This information means a great deal to me. I deduce from it that I'm
>talking to an irrational bigot. You still haven't revealed what
>qualifies someone who is probably of North American immigrant origin
>themselves to rave about imigration issues elesewhere, nor are you
>anywhere near responding to my points, and I doubt you will. Not
>rationally, anyway. Your rantings are beginning to get tedious.
>Beginning? Continuing to be would be much more appropriate.

Hold it - why do you think he's North American? The "vercingetorix"
suggests to me he's possibly French... and in that case a le Pen
supporter... or worse.🙂 I think he should have been in Scotland this
week - some nice policeman could have whacked him over the head and maybe
straightened up that little thing rattling around in his head.

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Robert Redelmeier wrote:
> Interesting you should say that. Since the Meiji Restoration
> (1856), they've been trying to learn from the West.
> They don't like where they've been.
>
> -- Robert

Acquisition of Western technologies implies nothing. The UN, and other
international bodies, have recommended Japan destroy itself as Western
Europe and America are, but Japan has steadfastly refused. Japan will
remain Japanese.

 

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On Fri, 08 Jul 2005 19:32:21 -0400, George Macdonald
<fammacd=!SPAM^nothanks@tellurian.com> wrote:

>On Fri, 08 Jul 2005 20:38:04 GMT, patrickp <patrickp@5acoustibop.co.uk>
>wrote:
>
>>This information means a great deal to me. I deduce from it that I'm
>>talking to an irrational bigot. You still haven't revealed what
>>qualifies someone who is probably of North American immigrant origin
>>themselves to rave about imigration issues elesewhere, nor are you
>>anywhere near responding to my points, and I doubt you will. Not
>>rationally, anyway. Your rantings are beginning to get tedious.
>>Beginning? Continuing to be would be much more appropriate.
>
>Hold it - why do you think he's North American? The "vercingetorix"
>suggests to me he's possibly French... and in that case a le Pen
>supporter... or worse.🙂 I think he should have been in Scotland this
>week - some nice policeman could have whacked him over the head and maybe
>straightened up that little thing rattling around in his head.


I don't necessarily think he's (?) North American, George. He/she/it
simply displays such casual ignorance about life in the UK that I find
it hard to believe they're European - most likely North American is my
guess.

Anyway, as Wes says, time to wrap this one up. It's going nowhere
anyway.

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In comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.chips George Macdonald <fammacd=!SPAM^nothanks@tellurian.com> wrote:
> Hold it - why do you think he's North American?

A quick peek at headers seems indicate he's a Buckeye Cable
customer out of Toledo, OH. Or relaying.

> The "vercingetorix" suggests to me he's possibly French

I thought so too.

> ... and in that case a le Pen supporter... or worse.🙂

I think it's ... worse.

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In comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.chips aether <vercingetorix@hotmail.com> wrote:
> The crux of the hostility on the part of others in this thread,
> is that I'm hateful and wrong for believing diversity is folly.

You are not hateful for your beliefs, however wrong they may be.
You might be hateful for rudeness or sloppy logic.

If you wish to argue against diversity, go ahead. It's
refreshing to see [mostly] old white men argue in favor
of it. You can hardly accuse anyone of self-serving bias!

But please define your terms well: Forced inclusion
of an underclass who are deprived of rights isn't
diversity. It's apartheid, Hutu/Tutsi, slavery, etc.

Diversity is more properly called Diversity & Inclusiveness.
It recognizes all as equals in dignity & rights even if not in
abilities and wealth. It works remarkably to the same extent it
is thoroughly implemented (US, Canada, Singapore, Switzerland).

> I believe that, and I quote, "A diverse, peaceful, or stable
> society is against most historical precedent." (Dick Lamm;

So is peace against historical precedent. That doesn't
make it undesireable.

> Upon examining history, one finds that so-called 'diverse'
> societies are in ceaseless conflict, rarely stable, and
> always unhappy.

America? It has been about as diverse as Europe,
and a lot more peaceful.

> Japan, I believe, should be the model of the West.
> For Japan has a past, a present, and a future.

Interesting you should say that. Since the Meiji Restoration
(1856), they've been trying to learn from the West.
They don't like where they've been.

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Bitstring <p3Jze.1835$Ae.676@newssvr12.news.prodigy.com>, from the
wonderful person Robert Redelmeier <redelm@ev1.net.invalid> said
>In comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.chips George Macdonald
><fammacd=!SPAM^nothanks@tellurian.com> wrote:
>> Hold it - why do you think he's North American?
>
>A quick peek at headers seems indicate he's a Buckeye Cable
>customer out of Toledo, OH. Or relaying.

Hm, I didn't think the KKK extended that far North .. maybe he's a
recent immigrant (or maybe my USA geography/politics is as bad as
his/its European geography/politics?)

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In comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.chips aether <vercingetorix@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Acquisition of Western technologies implies nothing.

It is far more that simply technology. Japan has chosen
to acquire many business methods and even social norms.

> The UN, and other international bodies, have recommended
> Japan destroy itself as Western Europe and America are, but

I don't have any idea of what you are referring to.

> Japan has steadfastly refused. Japan will remain Japanese.

Of course it will. Japan will only be changed by the
Japanese. The same holds true for most countries.

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Collectively, Westerners (i.e. Whites) are quite the self-destructive
bunch.

 

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On Mon, 11 Jul 2005 05:16:16 -0400, George Macdonald wrote:

> Sorry but I disagree... strongly. Social engineering driven mostly by a
> new age of bigotry, based on misinfo, downright lies even, disseminated by
> finger-wagging, head-nodding media hacks is having a field day right now,
> IMO. As an example, the Euros are all pissed at us because we didn't sign
> up for the Kyoto fraud. S'funny really because they are in general quite
> cynical about their govts. and their policies, they're no "greener" than we
> are really, yet they swallowed that one hook line 'n' sinker. It's just
> what they heard on "the news".🙂
>
Now that I've removed the NG I read from this cross posted BS, you're all
a bunch of off topic cross posting morons. Have a nice day.🙂

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On Mon, 11 Jul 2005 03:37:49 -0700, aether wrote:

> Collectively, Westerners (i.e. Whites) are quite the self-destructive
> bunch.

And you're an idiot, so what else is new.

 

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On 11 Jul 2005 03:37:49 -0700, "aether" <vercingetorix@hotmail.com> wrote:

>Collectively, Westerners (i.e. Whites) are quite the self-destructive
>bunch.

According to the headers, this was a reply to me - you might try to conform
to Usenet norms and quote at least a piece of the post you are replying to.

Anyway, I hope you don't think I'm agreeing with you, in particular WRT to
your "solution". I tend to think the solution to the Islamic extremists is
going to have to come from within Islam itself... with the support of the
rest of the world.

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In comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.chips George Macdonald <fammacd=!SPAM^nothanks@tellurian.com> wrote:
> new age of bigotry, based on misinfo, downright lies even,
> disseminated by finger-wagging, head-nodding media hacks

Rather obvious today versus 100 years ago.

> As an example, the Euros are all pissed at us because we
> didn't sign up for the Kyoto fraud. S'funny really because
> they are in general quite cynical about their govts. and
> their policies, they're no "greener" than we are really,
> yet they swallowed that one hook line 'n' sinker.

No, Europeans have always been greener than Americans
because they've had to be with their population density.
Killer fogs and river pollution.

> http://www.wehaitians.com/the%20philosopher%20of%20islamic%20terror.html
> but I find it very convincing and alarming - it's long but
> worth the read. In fact they "know" that they are "right"!

Every extremist "knows" this. It is their hallmark.

> That they are able to motivate their rabble to the point
> of suicide speaks to their ability to control their "media".

No, it speaks to desparation and/or careful filtration.

> The actual results of the
> "philosophy" are clearly spelled out here:
> http://www.nytimes.com/2004/04/26/international/europe/26EURO.html?ex=1085976000&en=404ec182641192df&ei=5087&nl=ep

Extremists might well strive, but it ain't gonna happen.
Any govt needs at least the tacit cooperation of its subjects.
Extremists can cause plenty of trouble, but cannot rule.

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On Tue, 12 Jul 2005 00:32:42 GMT, Robert Redelmeier
<redelm@ev1.net.invalid> wrote:

>In comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.chips George Macdonald <fammacd=!SPAM^nothanks@tellurian.com> wrote:
>> new age of bigotry, based on misinfo, downright lies even,
>> disseminated by finger-wagging, head-nodding media hacks
>
>Rather obvious today versus 100 years ago.
>
>> As an example, the Euros are all pissed at us because we
>> didn't sign up for the Kyoto fraud. S'funny really because
>> they are in general quite cynical about their govts. and
>> their policies, they're no "greener" than we are really,
>> yet they swallowed that one hook line 'n' sinker.
>
>No, Europeans have always been greener than Americans
>because they've had to be with their population density.
>Killer fogs and river pollution.

I don't have any numbers on this but I'd figure 80-90% of Americans live in
an area of population density roughly the same as most Europeans. The fact
that there are vast swaths of land in the U.S. which are unused/unusable
doesn't really matter - major conurbations, where most jobs are
concentrated, seem to reach about the same saturation point.

It took them ~20years to catch up with us on exhaust emission WRT *real*
pollutants, like HCs, CO, NOx - the difference was striking until ~10years
ago. In the meantime, apart from the U.S.'s SUV abberation -- which they
also have to a lesser extent -- American cars have become much smaller and
efficient - more on a par with Euro-cars. I really don't see a lot of
difference in their use of energy or attitude to energy efficiency,
compared with the U.S. I visit regularly, have lived there and have
relatives there -- I rarely stay in hotels so am quite well informed -- and
apart from the same "greener than thou" bigots we have here, everybody
drives a vehicle which is much bigger than needed for 90% of its usage.
Hell they all have air-conditioners now, whether needed or not.

Sorry but that's an old myth.

>> http://www.wehaitians.com/the%20philosopher%20of%20islamic%20terror.html
>> but I find it very convincing and alarming - it's long but
>> worth the read. In fact they "know" that they are "right"!
>
>Every extremist "knows" this. It is their hallmark.

I don't believe that those people, at the top of extremist Islam are in any
way acting overtly cynically here. They really do believe it is their
destiny to enforce Shariah upon the world... and that their religion's
dogma demands it.

>> That they are able to motivate their rabble to the point
>> of suicide speaks to their ability to control their "media".
>
>No, it speaks to desparation and/or careful filtration.

I wish it were so.<shrug>

>> The actual results of the
>> "philosophy" are clearly spelled out here:
>> http://www.nytimes.com/2004/04/26/international/europe/26EURO.html?ex=1085976000&en=404ec182641192df&ei=5087&nl=ep
>
>Extremists might well strive, but it ain't gonna happen.
>Any govt needs at least the tacit cooperation of its subjects.
>Extremists can cause plenty of trouble, but cannot rule.

It's the "trouble" which is indeed in plenty... and with no apparent
solution in sight. What do you do with hoards of home-bred young adults
indoctrinated in the violent overthrow of the regime where you "happily"
pass your days? Put them in jail for sedition?... treason?... seems to be
out of fashion right now... if you listen to the U.K political angle over
the past few days. As I mentioned in another post, the solution would seem
to have to come from within the Muslim community - now how to motivate
them? Some profess outrage but but I haven't seen much action, or even
rhetoric, yet.🙂

Even the U.S. is full of resident Islamic terrorist sympathizers. I don't
think I'm alone in having two local examples of people who, as it turned
out, knew that 9/11 was going to happen in the week before?... maybe I *am*
alone here??? Both were reported to the FBI BTW but no word was received
back on what transpired from it obviously.... kinda worrying that... that
they might not have been caught.

--
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On Mon, 11 Jul 2005 19:30:35 -0400, George Macdonald
<fammacd=!SPAM^nothanks@tellurian.com> wrote:

>On 11 Jul 2005 03:37:49 -0700, "aether" <vercingetorix@hotmail.com> wrote:

>>Collectively, Westerners (i.e. Whites) are quite the self-destructive
>>bunch.

>According to the headers, this was a reply to me - you might try to conform
>to Usenet norms and quote at least a piece of the post you are replying to.

Given your observation on USENET norms, perhaps you, and all the other
crossposting - off topic posters would like to move your particular
brand of USENET terrorism to one of the many appropriate discussion
groups.

>Anyway, I hope you don't think I'm agreeing with you, in particular WRT to
>your "solution". I tend to think the solution to the Islamic extremists is
>going to have to come from within Islam itself... with the support of the
>rest of the world.

R'gards

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In article <khv6d1pf46mgtec2sgjdcfqc70kejkmjie@4ax.com>, George
Macdonald says...

> I don't have any numbers on this but I'd figure 80-90% of Americans live in
> an area of population density roughly the same as most Europeans. The fact
> that there are vast swaths of land in the U.S. which are unused/unusable
> doesn't really matter - major conurbations, where most jobs are
> concentrated, seem to reach about the same saturation point.
>
Err, not by any means.

> It took them ~20years to catch up with us on exhaust emission WRT *real*
> pollutants, like HCs, CO, NOx - the difference was striking until ~10years
> ago. In the meantime, apart from the U.S.'s SUV abberation -- which they
> also have to a lesser extent -- American cars have become much smaller and
> efficient - more on a par with Euro-cars.

Wasn't the best seller in the US a Honda Accord either last year or the
one before that?

> I really don't see a lot of
> difference in their use of energy or attitude to energy efficiency,
> compared with the U.S.

In the case of the Government of the respective countries, there is.
The EU ones recognise the problem and are trying to tackle it. G.W.Bush
says the scientists are wrong and he's not prepared to do anything
which will cost US businesses money.


--
Conor

-You wanted an argument? Oh I'm sorry, but this is abuse. You want room
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In comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.chips George Macdonald <fammacd=!SPAM^nothanks@tellurian.com> wrote:
> I don't have any numbers on this but I'd figure 80-90%
> of Americans live in an area of population density roughly
> the same as most Europeans.

Please havea look at some of the fine population denity maps
indexed by Google images.

> The fact that there are vast swaths of land in the U.S.

There are similar underpopulated areas of rural France & Spain.

> which are unused/unusable doesn't really matter -
> major conurbations, where most jobs are concentrated,
> seem to reach about the same saturation point.

Not quite. With the exception of Manhattan, European urban
density is higher.

> It took them ~20years to catch up with us on exhaust emission
> WRT *real* pollutants, like HCs, CO, NOx - the difference

Of course! They use far less gasoline per capita (shorter
distances, higher density and narrow old roads forcing mass
transit). They also don't have smog traps like the LA basin,
and where they _do_ use cars, those cars are spread out (rural).

> American cars have become much smaller and
> efficient - more on a par with Euro-cars.

On a model-by-model basis, sure. The technology is the same.
But the fleets are vastly different corresponding to different
transportation uses. It would be surprising if they were the
same, with 4x the fuel price, narrower roads and difficult
parking in Europe.

> I really don't see a lot of difference in their use of energy
> or attitude to energy efficiency, compared with the U.S

Huh? GNP/energy is much lower. They routinely heat houses less.


> I don't believe that those people, at the top of extremist
> Islam are in any way acting overtly cynically here. They
> really do believe it is their destiny to enforce Shariah
> upon the world... and that their religion's dogma demands it.

Yes it does, and I didn't say (or believe) the extremists
are cynical at all. They believe. All extremists believe.

> What do you do with hoards of home-bred young adults
> indoctrinated in the violent overthrow of the regime where
> you "happily" pass your days?

Is don't see these hoards in the west, particularly not
in the US. Sure there are some malcontents. But the vast
majority of recent immigrants integrate well. There's a _far_
bigger problem (population bomb) in many Muslim countries.
There will be serious local unrest, and some will get exported.

But as for the Islamic extremists, they are _far_ more threatened by
us than we are by them. And not just militarily. The Disney-esque
western pop culture is very seductive and presents a real challenge
especially when modern technology bypasses censorship. Read Neal
Stephenson's "Cryptonomicon" about McCoy AFB.

-- Robert

 

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In comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.chips George Macdonald <fammacd=!SPAM^nothanks@tellurian.com> wrote:
> Hmm, I thought you'd already replied to this post.

Yes, but I thought of a side thread.

> Not even Dresden, Hanover, Hamburg? Seems like they felt
> pretty "upset" by the end of the proceedings.

Certainly. But I was talking about the _start_ of war.

> Well I hear that the mealy-mouthed Luxemburgers voted "yes"
> but of course the French and Dutch both said "NO" - the Brit
> govt. already knows the answer but doesn't want to hear it.🙂

Sure. But more confirmation of "Volkkeit". People were
afraid of losing "their group".

> I don't think the European identity, nor conformance to such,
> is as ingrained as you seem to think and it is certainly

It is not Euro identity but much smaller groups, regional
or national.

> not uniquely German inspired

No, it has been around a while. But the Nazis gave it
a big boost that was never counteracted/undone because it's
_far_ too useful a concept to those who wish to govern.

-- Robert

 

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On Tue, 12 Jul 2005 06:03:23 GMT, borolad@myowseintheboro.org wrote:

>On Mon, 11 Jul 2005 19:30:35 -0400, George Macdonald
><fammacd=!SPAM^nothanks@tellurian.com> wrote:
>
>>On 11 Jul 2005 03:37:49 -0700, "aether" <vercingetorix@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>>Collectively, Westerners (i.e. Whites) are quite the self-destructive
>>>bunch.
>
>>According to the headers, this was a reply to me - you might try to conform
>>to Usenet norms and quote at least a piece of the post you are replying to.
>
>Given your observation on USENET norms, perhaps you, and all the other
>crossposting - off topic posters would like to move your particular
>brand of USENET terrorism to one of the many appropriate discussion
>groups.

You again... another self-appointed Usenet policeman? Look... threads
drift off-topic all the time - it *is* normal. Learn to live with it. You
have the option to ignore instead of wasting bandwidth with your whinging.

--
Rgds, George Macdonald