Athlon 64 X2 5200+

[corvetteguy]

What the **** is wrong with people here! Stop convincing people into buying Intel. If the person decides to buy an AMD that's his choice. Stay on topic.

Yes I would recommend an aftermarket fan with a heatsink, preferably Zalman or Thermaltake. 😀

They're psychotic. The guy didn't ask for CPU opinions, did he? I'm done.

You know, it's funny how you never blew a gasket when someone asking about P-Ds was recommended an X2 instead.

Double standards? Hmmm... :lol:


No I think I would have. I would never try to tell a person what to buy. There is nothing wrong with buying a chip to run at stock. The 5200+ costs more because it performs better.

If say CorvetteGirl was spending $200+ on a CrossHair why buy the cheapest CPU? It kinda defeats the purpose of saving on the CPU. For that matter DFI OCs as well or better and costs less.

Ok dipshit, didn't i explain myself? I said i was buying the cheap cpu now, so that i can overclock it now, and upgarde later, all on the cheap. When the 3800 can get to 2.8, why buy an fx 62 to get to 3? Anyway, i also bought a good mobo so that i could be best prepared for future chips that will probably be limited by the mobo, i just want to make the mobo as little an impact as possible. Plus, the features of the crosshair include easy to follow bios, an onboard power button, a friggin SCREEn to tell me its not working 😛 , and a bunch of LED's for the hell of it. I want my comp to be a friggin christmas tree.

PS. Very witty call me a girl, i WISH* i was as smart as you. 🙁


*Sarastic remark, insert antinym here

 

[turpit]

So 3800+ huh? Not even like 4000 or 4200? I mean, I don't totally know. You would still recommend going with AM2 though?

Well this is up to you.... here is the current state if you do not follow the industry closely.

In July, Intel released a new microarchitecture that pretty much clobbered anything AMD has to offer. AMD could only compete by lowering prices between 50-60%, however, even today, the Core 2 Duo processor is anywhere between 15-25% better price/performance.

Personally, recommend going Intel this round for a few reasons.... better performance for equivalent or less money, and the 775/P965 chipset will support Quad cores as Intel ramps those into mainstream price points so there is a upgrade path there, which would take your system out for 2-3 years in terms of performance.

However, in my tone I did not necessarily want to sway you away from AMD, some people just prefer that brand of CPU. But, there is always a 'but' regardless of AMD or Intel, the AM2 socket will be somewhat short lived -- so I want to ensure you have all the necessary info.

To get AMD's next major revision of CPU they will release an AM2+ socket. While AM2 is compatible, some features of the new CPU will down-grade to older technology (they will design the new CPU to work with older interconnect and system speeds) so drop-in upgrade is not really a great choice in this case.

On the other side the argument, though an E6600 will likely out perform the 5200+, the 5200+ is still a fast and viable CPU....

The reason I suggested a 3800+ is becaues as of now, this is the only CPU AMD sells that price/performance wise is worth the effort. Going 3800+ and AM2 gives you an opportunity to upgrade with an AMD CPU that is much better performing without having to repurchase all new components. A throw-away CPU if you will, one that will give good performance for 6-9 months and not break the bank. Albiet, with the socket detail caveat. AMD will also be ramping up 65 nm, and hopefully will revise the intial process technology to be better than what it has shown, if so then the quality of the clocking of the CPU will be much better in the last 1/2 of next year.

Jack

This post should be give its own thread and stickied: "All you need to know about the industry right now" in less than 1 page.

 

[turpit]

And this is what I watch you for. The guy asked a simple question about a heatsink and you're telling him he can't buy that he has to buy Core 2.

Dude, just buy your original choice. You will not be lacking for speed.

Baron, Jack spoke nothing but the absolute truth. Ahd I suggest you re-read it as you clearly missed the recommendations regarding the x2 3800. This is just another of you blantently perception challenged responses. Period.

 

[turpit]

What the **** is wrong with people here! Stop convincing people into buying Intel. If the person decides to buy an AMD that's his choice. Stay on topic.

Yes I would recommend an aftermarket fan with a heatsink, preferably Zalman or Thermaltake. 😀

They're psychotic. The guy didn't ask for CPU opinions, did he? I'm done.

Prime rich unadulterated manure coming from the person who believes his opinion is fact and freely "shares" with anyone regardless of whether they asked for it or not.

 

[halbhh]

Yeah, I agree on get a low end now, like the 3800, and go upgrade later, when some software you use actually needs it. If you want to wait on your computer to do video encoding (movies transcoding), then it's important to have more speed. Otherwise, not.

Suggest read the "A2+ (quad core) drop-in" thread on bottom of page 3 for my post on a nice future upgrade path for low dollars and high performance.

 

[evilr00t]

Yeah, I agree on get a low end now, like the 3800, and go upgrade later, when some software you use actually needs it. If you want to wait on your computer to do video encoding (movies transcoding), then it's important to have more speed. Otherwise, not.

Suggest read the "A2+ (quad core) drop-in" thread on bottom of page 3 for my post on a nice future upgrade path for low dollars and high performance.

Ironically, encoding is best left to the C2D's, simply because they have single cycle SSE execution, which means that they can outpace any K8 in most encoding applications, which heavily rely on SSE code.

 

[CaptRobertApril]

The time has come to hit the:



FUD BUTTON!

 

[halbhh]

Definitely a good reason to recommend C2D to folks that want to encode a lot. But most of us, encode a little, of course.

 

[turpit]

The time has come to hit the:



FUD BUTTON!

What are the resin parts for?

 

[CaptRobertApril]

What are the resin parts for?

They're custom moulded vibrator attachments "bespoke for her pleasure."

Either that or I just got the photo off the net! :lol:

 

[evilr00t]

Definitely a good reason to recommend C2D to folks that want to encode a lot. But most of us, encode a little, of course.

Right. Likewise, if you're doing a lot of FPU heavy work (ie. 3D rendering, scientific applications) you're better off getting a K8.

 

[turpit]

What are the resin parts for?

They're custom moulded vibrator attachments "bespoke for her pleasure."

Either that or I just got the photo off the net! :lol:

Ahh. Smarter than me. I would have gone out in the garage, rumaged through my junk until I found a button, taken a pic, then photoshoped it.

 

[evilr00t]

Sorry, just had to stick this here :-D

 

[turpit]

The time has come to hit the:



FUD BUTTON!

Careful. That pic will give BM a woody.

 

[CaptRobertApril]

I just wanna know where vid cards 3-7 get their airflow...

Anyway, back on topic, now that we know that there are virtually no performance difference between AMD's 90nm and 65nm parts, and the 5800+ and 6000+ are still vapourware, does anyone know if there are any other intros skedded before K8Late?

 

[BaronMatrix]

I just wanna know where vid cards 3-7 get their airflow...

Anyway, back on topic, now that we know that there are virtually no performance difference between AMD's 90nm and 65nm parts, and the 5800+ and 6000+ are still vapourware, does anyone know if there are any other intros skedded before K8Late?

6000+ is supposedly the last 90nm chip (HKEPC) unless they do FX76. The next chips should be 65nm Turions. From what I've seen next year is the year of the laptop. They are supposed to overtake desktop units (Anand).

 

[infyrno917]

Don't listen to these guys telling you to wait for some product to come out later next year, because you can wait and wait and there will always be something better coming out down the road. If you need a system now go ahead and buy it. And for the record, my stock heatsink keeps my 5200 x2 at 30 degrees C. Guess what... its overclocked.

 

[JMecc]

In my experience the stock heat sink is just fine to cool the chip unless you OC. That 5200 should give great performance without any OC. I'd just get the chip & if there is a problem (I doubt it), then get an aftermarket cooler. Ignore the fanboy war here, talk to people who really use both new AMD & Intel rigs (maybe at work & home or something) and look at only the benchmarks that matter to you (for example I ignore gaming benchmarks).

Jo

 

[CaptRobertApril]

I just wanna know where vid cards 3-7 get their airflow...

Anyway, back on topic, now that we know that there are virtually no performance difference between AMD's 90nm and 65nm parts, and the 5800+ and 6000+ are still vapourware, does anyone know if there are any other intros skedded before K8Late?

6000+ is supposedly the last 90nm chip (HKEPC) unless they do FX76. The next chips should be 65nm Turions. From what I've seen next year is the year of the laptop. They are supposed to overtake desktop units (Anand).

Thanks, Baron. What's your take on a K8L launch date?

 

[reconviperone1]

I was thinking about getting a 65mm 5000 or 5200 if i can sell my 4200 to someone, i had thought about etting a core 2, but im gonna wait for affordable quads from both sides b4 i choose. As it stands though, i want a faster processor and i need a faster backup pc, so mayb ill keep the 4200 for backup system, instead of buying a socket 754 sempron and motherboard to replace my socket a, ok im babbling, latr guys.

 

[reconviperone1]

I was thinking about getting a 65mm 5000 or 5200 if i can sell my 4200 to someone, i had thought about etting a core 2, but im gonna wait for affordable quads from both sides b4 i choose. As it stands though, i want a faster processor and i need a faster backup pc, so mayb ill keep the 4200 for backup system, instead of buying a socket 754 sempron and motherboard to replace my socket a, ok im babbling, latr guys.

 

[reconviperone1]

I was thinking about getting a 65mm 5000 or 5200 if i can sell my 4200 to someone, i had thought about etting a core 2, but im gonna wait for affordable quads from both sides b4 i choose. As it stands though, i want a faster processor and i need a faster backup pc, so mayb ill keep the 4200 for backup system, instead of buying a socket 754 sempron and motherboard to replace my socket a, ok im babbling, latr guys.

 

[reconviperone1]

sorry about the multiple post, the internet here is running like molasses, gonna shut down and do a virus scan

 

[the_vorlon]

Intel is about to release the E4300, which will likely OC up to 5200+ type performance, and Intel drop prices in the Q2ish timeframe.

Jack

I think you are being waaaaaay too kind to the 5200+

A 5200+ and an E6400 are basically in a dead heat.

The E4300, assuming Intel does not artificially limit it in some way, will get waaaaaaaaaaay past 2.13 ghz, as in past 3.0 in virtually all cases.

The 800 mhz FSB just screams to be overclocked.

 

[HA_ZEE]

The one thing I have not seen anyone mention is the fact that any aftermarket cooler you use may void your warranty on the CPU. The included cooler and fan are adequate for running the CPU at stock speeds. Some peeps here risk OC'ing on the stock coolers and have good success. You need to decide what you will do with the CPU after you buy it. If you will not overclock the stock cooler is fine. If you do want to overclock then the aftermarket coolers you would probably want to use (Zalman, Thermaltake, Scythe) could all void your warranty and you assume all risk for what happens. Everyone here that uses the aftermarket coolers to overclock knows this and takes the risk on anyway. Its just part of the game of trying to get more for free. Happy hunting.