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[etp777]

I don't expect it to damage the card, I jsut don't like to see artifacting, so would like to avoid that if I can. Just something I'm trying to consider.

Can't really back mine up though because I'm too lazy to dig up a floppy drive and put it in that system, so can't back up the bios image to restore it if I find a game that gets lots of artifacts with the new bios.

Guess it's just something where I have to weigh the gains against the down side. Probably won't do it anwyays at least until HL2 comes out, as even before I OC'd, this card could run every game I have at the highest settings all around(monitor only goes up to 1280x1024, so that's not hard to max out)

 

[Willamette_sucks]

There is a regular 9800 Pro (r350 compatible, no 3dmark 03 artifacts) on my image file buddy! I gotcha covered!

Me: are you saying I can't provide?
Me: cause I know I can provide.
Me: oh and I can provide money too😉
Rachel: why do we need money when we can just stay in our room and have sex all day?

 

[GeneticWeapon]

I can guarantee you no game will ever be coded like 3dmark 03 (crappy/unoptimized).

3DMark is neither crappy, or un-optimized, it's just pushing your graphic's card hard. Want to see your card artifact after flashing it? try running <A HREF="http://www.daionet.gr.jp/~masa/rthdribl/index.html" target="_new">rthdribl</A> for a little while.

<A HREF="http://rmitz.org/AYB3.swf" target="_new">All your base are belong to us.</A>
<A HREF="http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k3=2216718" target="_new"><b>3DMark03</b></A>

 

[GeneticWeapon]

To be honest I didn't think to upload my score to madonion

But you went through the effort to take a screen capture? :lol:

<A HREF="http://rmitz.org/AYB3.swf" target="_new">All your base are belong to us.</A>
<A HREF="http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k3=2216718" target="_new"><b>3DMark03</b></A>

 

[Willamette_sucks]

That's correct. For personal use, and proof (most people are not as skeptical as thou!), and to show friends (and foes)! I like a screen capture... it captures the moment better than a text document thankyou!

I'll try running that benchmark also

And I believe it has always been generally accepted that 3dmark is not well coded (for speed) (although using great effects/techniques) in that it is unoptimized, IN THAT it runs straight dx9 and dosn't use nv or ati specific paths/functions, which i think is a good thing right now, because it keeps the program nuetral, and pushes hardware vendors to stick to standards! Long sentence.
Also see all the errors in the troll lair game test? If I payed for a game that looked like that and didn't have patches fixing it, I'd be pissed!

Me: are you saying I can't provide?
Me: cause I know I can provide.
Me: oh and I can provide money too😉
Rachel: why do we need money when we can just stay in our room and have sex all day?<P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by Willamette_Sucks on 03/31/04 09:25 PM.</EM></FONT></P>

 

[coolsquirtle]

mine was good......

I'll work on a FAQ this weekend after 20 hours of far cry

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[TheGreatGrapeApe]

Actually if you PM Fredi and he finds it worthy he'll likely make it a sticky there. He's got the wherewithal to see if it's worthy. You need to link the thread so he knows what you're talking about without having to hunt for it.

As for 3Dmk03, don't believe the hype. It's not as bad as people make it out to be, it definitely did what it intended to do originally (not supposed to emulate a game or a abunch of games, but simply stress/test DX hardware [including audio]). It exposed an early weakness with the FX and their PS2.0 shader strength which alot of people moaned about and said it was proof of crapitude, when in fact it was simply looking over the horizon. It had such an impact that nV took it seriously enough to floptimize for it.

Sure it's inefficient maybe, but really, that's kind of a requirement for what it's trying to do. Efficiency, especially optomized efficiency simply favours those who get special attention, which wouldn't be fair to people like XGI (who can really use all the help they can get ), and it tends to show the raw power BEFORE all the fl-optimizations take effect. Optimizing is GREAT for games, but not the best for all tests. My preference would be two runs made by the test, one that disables the optimizations, or has a way of minimizing them (this would be the 'official runs', and another that allows all manner of optimizations (for e-penis scores). That would be a good solution, and people could decide which they think holds more wieght in their mind. Right now those that like system benchies tend to stick with 3Dmk01 and those who prefer benchies that focus more on card and drivers (you know like the magazine/tv show 😎 ) use 3Dmk03. It's really just a tool set and like everything it doesn't tell the whole story, hopefully just enough for you (or at least some people) to get some valuable information out of it.

It's flawed, I will grant you that; I'm not here to defend it outright, but I find it funny so many people sayng it doesn't play like a game, well no it doesn't, but then again sysmark/pcmark/etc. don't run like WORD/EXCEL/LAME or Premiere either. And they specifically said in their white paper released before the benchmark that that was not what it was setting out to do.

As for inefficient/poorly coded games, well just ask Eden about his feelings for Splinter Cell, or some others about CS . While 3Dmk03's coding issues may be seen as a beloved patriot in the armour, really it still functions fairly consistently and still performs it's main task pretty well (by it's standards, even if not by some other's [like [H] for example]). Te difference is that 3Dmk03 isn't trying to go for immersion or realism (although mother OF ALL nature is nice 😎 to look at), whereas the slightest glitch in a game can ruin it's effects, and detract from the game.

Anywhoo, just wanted to add my 2 cents on that because I think too often 3Dmk03 take heat for something it was never intended to do. That being said, I hope they do think about alot of the criticism and address it with their next release. My favourite addition would be the 2 distinct runs, well that and maybe some nudity, or at least a way to 'un-wrap' the maiden in distress 😎 , but I want to stress, NOT MALE nudity! (sorry for those of you who like that, I'm just expressing my op-onion) .

Ok, now time to EARN my paycheque. If that's possible. :lol:


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[coolsquirtle]

dont ask Fredi yet...I'm gonna try putting all the stickies together!!

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never tried to go crazy when it comes to o/cing.
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[scottchen]

Hey willamette, could you copy this post to another post in the 3Dchipset overclocking section? I've just made a simple guide on how to flash the FX5900 series cards to FX5950. If you have time, make this in the OC 3dchipset section, then get Fredi to stick it.

-AMD Athlon64 3200+@2300mhz -GAK8N -3x512 Hynix PC3200 ram@192mhz 2.5-3-3-7 -Albatron 5900PV @ 509/1000 -SB Audigy -Adaptec 1210SA Raid -2x120G Seagate SATA150 7200.7 Raid0 -Enermax 460watt psu

 

[phial]

too bad no one goes there eh ;/

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[scottchen]

Well a few does.

-AMD Athlon64 3200+@2300mhz -GAK8N -3x512 Hynix PC3200 ram@192mhz 2.5-3-3-7 -Albatron 5900PV @ 509/1000 -SB Audigy -Adaptec 1210SA Raid -2x120G Seagate SATA150 7200.7 Raid0 -Enermax 460watt psu

 

[TheGreatGrapeApe]

Try and keep the Catalyst comparo by itself simply because it's update a little more often, and it gets too big toooo fast.

Also I'd like to keep it current quick, as soon after catalyst release as I can, and having to PM someone first would slow it down.

Anywhoo, maybe we can simply remove it in due time once the R4XX series is here, and then some people with an NV4X and an R4XX could do a comparo. Gotta get people you can trust not to simply outdo each other (which means no GW/GA showdown ), cause otherwise you might get something like; well the NV4X gets 9876 in 3Dmk03 on day and then the next, oh yeah well he R4XX get 9877 (of course without mentioning that some base settings have been changed, etc). IT should never be about on card being better than another. Just about the drivers.

Anywhoo, Make your proposal, see what Fredi says. I will defer to the will of the forum as ever.


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[GeneticWeapon]

dont ask Fredi yet...I'm gonna try putting all the stickies together!!

Over my dead body....

<A HREF="http://rmitz.org/AYB3.swf" target="_new">All your base are belong to us.</A>
<A HREF="http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k3=2216718" target="_new"><b>3DMark03</b></A>

 

[TheGreatGrapeApe]

LOL! :lol:


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