ATI's Intel Chipset Team Reassigned

[will14]

Nvidea in a bad spot?
Maybe.
However I think more likely if it's chief competitor ATI focuses on chipsets that puts is in the lead for gfx cards given this might be near-sided.
I honestly don't know the roadmap for the business 5 years down the line because I'm not in the business I'm in the business of having a good pc within the next year. Not speculating my options in 5.

I don't see good integrated graphics anytime soon.
Not to mention the stigma of horrible integrated graphics will be around for 1-2 years past if they ever get reasonable.

What would be cool would be... Intel and apple(Mac OS) getting in bed.

AMD/ATI and microsoft coupled.

Then

Google will out all the rest(nvidea,via etc) use a superior linux based os and change it's name to big brother and own face.

 

[gOJDO]

I merely stated my (speculative) opinion on the matter; I'm not affirming that it will happen.

That said, I really don't see any other strong reason for Intel's recruitment of brainpower from 3D Labs; and, I find it too close to the AMD/ATi merger to be mere coincidence.

By the way, all this is somewhat contextualized in the first post of this thread's author (with his respective quotes).


Cheers!

I wonder what will happen if nVidia buy VIA. I guess nVidia C10 or something will be competetive also

 

[joset]

Nvidea in a bad spot?
Maybe.
However I think more likely if it's chief competitor ATI focuses on chipsets that puts is in the lead for gfx cards given this might be near-sided.
I honestly don't know the roadmap for the business 5 years down the line because I'm not in the business I'm in the business of having a good pc within the next year. Not speculating my options in 5.

Well, I don't seem to quite follow your first lines, but... speculation & rumours on these matters have been around, for some time now. Given the current changes, speculations abound, not for the next 5 years but, rather, for the current one.

I don't see good integrated graphics anytime soon.
Not to mention the stigma of horrible integrated graphics will be around for 1-2 years past if they ever get reasonable.

That's one of the [speculative] points: Up until now, IGPs have been weak, compared to current, off-the-shelf graphics cards; now, there's AMD/ATi, Intel/Graphics Division + 3D Labs & nVidia. What to expect?!
Integration seems to be the trend, chipset & CPU wise (Intel has had huge profits with its less-than-good IGP's line); and, it even goes beyond graphics.

What would be cool would be... Intel and apple(Mac OS) getting in bed.

That is already a reality, Apple-wise, for the time being. After all, it's what Virtualization is aimed at.

AMD/ATI and microsoft coupled.

Microsoft is powerful enough to couple with whomever it wants to; it's also strong enough to set market trends, without the burden of exclusivity.

Then

Google will out all the rest(nvidea,via etc) use a superior linux based os and change it's name to big brother and own face.

The Mac OS X already is a Unix-kernel based OS; and, Apple is using it with Intel-made CPUs, not differently from PCs; finally, Microsoft's everywhere. Time to speculate?!


Cheers!

 

[joset]

strange you should use that term;intel compliance never meant much any way as amd was always the easier to work with in a 3rd party setting,after k7.

i dont doubt things have and will continue to change;one of the selling points of amd to me is the apparent consumer centric approach.

Yes, I also pay a visit to AMD's website, once in a while; up until now, I still do not know what to think of a "consumer-centric" approach, unless the big success (and excellent piece of hardware!) K8 had, compared to Intel's NetBurst 'fiasco'.
AMD, being smaller & with less R&D resources/facilities, had to rely (heavily, if you consider IBM...) on thid-parties; Intel chose to work closely to itself (it could afford it...).
As a rule (my opinion), every IT company is consumer-centric, arrogance aside. It mostly depends upon the kind & quality of the approach (I bet Intel's much more consumer-centric than AMD, right now; Core can afford it ).


Cheers!

 

[joset]

I wonder what will happen if nVidia buy VIA. I guess nVidia C10 or something will be competetive also

What about nVIA?! :lol:


Cheers!

 

[Whizzard9992]

Let's hope for the sake of my computer's health that AMD(ATi) doesn't buy SIS. If so, my next video card might be an STD :!:

 

[ltcommander_data]

A conspiracy theory could be something like... Dual-Channel DDR2 support & >DX9.0b (DX 10.0?) should come out at the same time for both AMD/Intel platforms (both chipsets have a lot in common...); and, the HyperThreading/no-NetBurst support could be a "wait & see" step, regarding Intel's moves on NetBurst/Core (I hardly believe whatever x-Threading AMD will have will be Intel compliant...).

I don't think there's any conspiracy here. Dual channel support isn't relevent for the mobile chipset since the FSB is limited anyways. In general, dual channel DDR2 533 didn't benefit Dothan much over single channel due to it's 533MHz FSB and dual channel DDR2 667 doesn't benefit Core Duo much either. Granted Merom may be slightly different, but there is still only enough FSB bandwidth to support one channel anyways. The DDR2 800 support enables full theoretical saturation of the 800MHz Meroms so that should be fine. It'll be interesting to see if this configuration will actually be better than Santa Rosa since in the Xpress 1250 the 800MHz Meroms will have their RAM in sync as all other Centrinos have had while in Santa Rosa it'll be stuck with dual channel DDR2 667.

In terms of the graphics support that was also unavoidable. The previous Xpress 200 was a X300 or R300 generation IGP, which meant standard DX9.0 support. The Xpress 1250 already uses X700 or R400 generation technology which is of course DX9.0b. This is just the latest chapter in the old how important is DX9.0c really debate. There is no way that ATI could introduce a DX10 generation IGP since the R600 isn't even ready yet now. Similarly, the R500 generation wasn't ready when the RS600M was in development so the Xpress 1250 couldn't have used that. (I suppose if they really tried early on and stuck with it they could have used the R500, but the R500 had wierd clocking glitches and problems with the memory controller which delayed it's desktop introduction so that probably gave them pause.) In any case, the Xpress 1250 does use some characteristics of the R500 such as AVIVO. The RS700 was suppose to skip the R500 and go directly to the R600, but of course that's unlikely to show up now.

And just to get it out before 9-inch:

http://www.tgdaily.com/2006/08/30/amd_ati_yokohama/

AMD/ATI's Yokohama platform is going to use the RS690M. Really, it's not that big a deal since ATI would have released the RS690M anyways just that with the acquisition AMD can decide to brand it. The reason why I'm bringing this up is that the RS690M is the AMD version of the RS600M that ATI just launched for Intel. The major difference is no need for a memory controller. In other words, if you want to try out AMD's next Yokohama platform, get the Xpress 1250 for Intel notebooks.

 

[joset]

I don't think there's any conspiracy here.

Well, I was trying to create one of my own; nothing serious.
That's not to say that there isn't one... instead of "conspiracy", I'd call it something like strategic management. I just think it's reasonable for AMD/ATi to have some strong features' implementation (including Dual-Channel DDR2, if ever needed) before it lays down a platform for Intel CPUs which will support it; the same with DX9.0b, AVIVO, etc.

And just to get it out before 9-inch:

http://www.tgdaily.com/2006/08/30/amd_ati_yokohama/

AMD/ATI's Yokohama platform is going to use the RS690M. Really, it's not that big a deal since ATI would have released the RS690M anyways just that with the acquisition AMD can decide to brand it. The reason why I'm bringing this up is that the RS690M is the AMD version of the RS600M that ATI just launched for Intel. The major difference is no need for a memory controller. In other words, if you want to try out AMD's next Yokohama platform, get the Xpress 1250 for Intel notebooks.

(I'm sure 9-inch was distracted )

Yes, that's what I meant when I said «both chipsets have a lot in common...»; that certainly balances things up, costs, performance & features' wise.

Mostly, thanks for your attention and, as usual, very knowledgeable posts.


Cheers!

 

[turpit]

And just to get it out before 9-inch:

http://www.tgdaily.com/2006/08/30/amd_ati_yokohama/

AMD/ATI's Yokohama platform is going to use the RS690M. Really, it's not that big a deal since ATI would have released the RS690M anyways just that with the acquisition AMD can decide to brand it. The reason why I'm bringing this up is that the RS690M is the AMD version of the RS600M that ATI just launched for Intel. The major difference is no need for a memory controller. In other words, if you want to try out AMD's next Yokohama platform, get the Xpress 1250 for Intel notebooks.

Hey Now!!
Thats not nice.

A day without 9 inch is like a day without tornadoes.

 

[exit2dos]

Blaming a sudden drop in demand for Intel-based chipsets, graphics chip maker ATI (Markham, Ontario) said that consolidated revenue for the fourth quarter of fiscal 2006 is currently expected to be approximately $520 million.

The announcement stunned observers. This is $100-to-$140 million below estimates before AMD offered to buy the company.

ATI missed Wall Street's projections for the third fiscal quarter. Given anticipated near-term PC market conditions, the company's revenues for the fourth quarter of fiscal 2006 in June were expected to be between $620-to-$660 million.

The anticipated revenue shortfall for the fourth quarter is due primarily to lower sales volumes of integrated chipsets for Intel-based platforms.

http://www.eetimes.com/news/semi/showArticle.jhtml;jsessionid=VG0RMMTO3TDAQQSNDLRSKH0CJUNN2JVN?articleID=192503765

 

[exit2dos]

the ccc is a huge deal on that ,i think;as the interface sux azz from bieng buggy.
id rather own ati but nvidias software is sooo much smoother to use.

I agree that ccc sucks, but I find ATI's drivers more stable than Nvidia's. I get more random lock-ups with Nvidia, especially when streaming HD media.

and overall the market is not a hot topic right now for tech stocks;seems like an off year for upgrades,economy isnt really great ,the housing markets are shaky.traditional pre change of president crud.it happened like this during clinton bush too.seems like the markets get edgy as they dont know who the new president will worship in the markets.every one pulls back and waits for the new azzkizzer to get his pay offs from what ever segment that will succeed that term.

No doubt. I think tech stocks will remain flat until next year. Investors right now are waiting on Vista's release.

 

[exit2dos]

If Intel starts it's own line of performance GPUs, maybe it will set a dual card standard that Nvidia and even ATI will have to follow. Would be kind of nice not to have to plan your Mobo around your GPU manufacturer (or vice-versa) if you want a dual card system.