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Define 'legacy' for us.
For some, serial/parallel ports fit that description. Obviously, ISA is also a gimmie. USB 1.1 is right there, too. Let's talk AGP. How about PCI- how much longer will it be before we're using those x1 PCI-E slots (or can we now? Anyone? Bueller?)
How's this: I still own an 1980's TRS-80 Model 4P! HAHA! Talk about legacy! For those who don't know, it's a "portable" computer that weighs about 26 pounds.
Word.
ABIT didnt nearly go bankrupt because of going legacy free, alot of people dont like them because thier BIOS team doesnt seem up to par, and while I might agree with a new product, ABIT board BIOSes are often top notch after a new product has matured over a few months. This is how ABIT has always been, atleast as far back as I can remember.
BTW, just in case you are unaware, ABIT is no longer ABIT, they are still using the same team as far as I know, but Universal semiconductor (I think) bought them out a few months ago, and now they are known as 'Universal ABIT'.
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LOL, everyone already knew that, but if you weren't so full of yourself you'd realize that I was talking about Abit, not Univeral Abit. Universal Abit is the new company, Abit was the old company. Universal Abit wasn't an entity when Abit made the marketing mistakes (including a few BIOS mistakes, but I can think of others).
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Now, since Im so full of myself, I feel compelled to reply to your post. Let me also point out that I'm not the one with 40,000+ posts in 6 years (god, do yo uever sleep?), and that would indicate, by comparrison, I'm no where near as 'full of myself'.
Learn how to read what someone else types. First paragraph, I wrote in reply to what you said , which I believed to be incorrect (and still believe it to be incorrect) Second paragraph was completly un-related, EXCEPT for the fact that ABIT was bought out because of financial problems, and that IF Universal Semiconductor didnt come around, they WOULD have gone bankrupt.
Last time I looked, this was a Forum, which means its a place for discussion, and debate. IF you cant handle this, then perhaps you're in the wrong place ?
'Believing ones self to be superior, is often the case of a dillusional mind. '
I didn't know that. Of course, the last MB from Abit I bought is the KG7 Socket A.
Yeah, alot of people still dont know, one of my friends who owns a semi recent ABIT board, and runs a computer shop didnt know until I told him last week. Then again, I do alot of reading in the tech sector, where some other people may not. I guess you can say I'm an ABIT fan (since I've used thier boards exclusively for the last 7-8 years), and that I tend to watch thier company very closely because of this. I would definately miss them, if they ever went away . . .
Anyhow my mentioning it was meant to inform others that didnt know already, and now I can rest easy, that I informed atleast one person that didnt
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Universal Abit is essentially the same design team as Abit, and they still market under the Abit name. If you read the reviews of some of their latest boards, they still have the slow BIOS development, though it is better than it once was.
Its a shame too, I wanted an Abit AT8 32X, but they came out too late and I ended up with an Asus A8r-32 Deluxe.
Its a shame too, I wanted an Abit AT8 32X, but they came out too late and I ended up with an Asus A8r-32 Deluxe.
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I didn't know that. Of course, the last MB from Abit I bought is the KG7 Socket A.
Yeah, alot of people still dont know, one of my friends who owns a semi recent ABIT board, and runs a computer shop didnt know until I told him last week. Then again, I do alot of reading in the tech sector, where some other people may not. I guess you can say I'm an ABIT fan (since I've used thier boards exclusively for the last 7-8 years), and that I tend to watch thier company very closely because of this. I would definately miss them, if they ever went away . . .
Anyhow my mentioning it was meant to inform others that didnt know already, and now I can rest easy, that I informed atleast one person that didnt
Word.
BTW, I only did this post to up my post count
BTW II- DIMM 4 on my ABIT is shot, hence the only real reason why I am going to be upgrading soon...I am thinking of an Amiga or C64.
Yeah, alot of reviewers on Newgg gave the latest ABIT 570 board really bad reviews based on poor BIOS updates. Now since the board is pretty new, I'm not sure whether to think that these users are really inexperienced with ABIT boards, flashing BIOSes, or IF the BIOS team is working its old magic again . . .
To top things off, the Motherboard I want, the ABIT AN9 32X (non fata1ity) got pulled from Neweggs sales list because of rough handling. Supposedly this rough handling somehow damaged the Heats sink grease for the Northbridge, and Southbridge chipsets. I dont know how this is possible, but I've talked to a few users, who have bought this motherboard, and recieved one in the serial number range that was supposed to be damaged, and the board worked perfectly fine. So, I think despite this problem, I'm going to buy one anyhow, even if I have to get it from zipzoomfly 😉
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I've actually been using zipzoomfly alot since here in NJ, I avoid the tax and shipping charges that Newegg has.
I built my brother-in-law a PC with an Abit board and I really liked it, I just didnt have the patience to wait for the AT8 32x, especially with the BIOS issues meaning a longer wait till it was mature.
I built my brother-in-law a PC with an Abit board and I really liked it, I just didnt have the patience to wait for the AT8 32x, especially with the BIOS issues meaning a longer wait till it was mature.
Well, the last 3 motherboards I've bought from Asus were dead out of the box, the last and most recent one I bought for my buddie here (well, he bought it, I picked it out for him) was also dead out of the box. My three were AMD boards, his was an Intel board. To top all this off, the board he bought, required special high dollar memory, which at the time I didnt realize, so I guess its a good thing it arrived DOA. Anyhow, because of these failings, I refuse to deal with Asus again, so if ABIT ever went away, I guess I'd be dealing with Gigabyte (which they are a tier 1, and make good boards, so not TOO bad, I'm just used to ABIT . . .)
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Also, the board I pciked out for him after the Asus baord was an ABIT board, and he loves it also, the only problem he had with it, is that the ATI card he bought for it, would cause the system to lock up 1-2 times a day, and after reading on ABITs forum, we fixed this by replacing the ATI 9600 with an eVGA 6800GS, and his system has been stable every since.
I'm also aware that Asus, is a tier 1 manufactuer, and that for alot of people they work great, my luck with them however hasnt been all that good.
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Yeah, Asus was not my first choice, but they were the only RD580 board out at the time I upgraded. I would have prefered Abit or DFI (though I don't think the DFI was fanless, which is important). I wanted to stick to Crossfire over nVidia since I have an ATI vidcard, and I liked the features it provided.
My old board, which is in my secondary system is a Gigabyte, and it has treated me well. They are a good company. If I were looking for a top mobo, I would stick to Abit, Asus, Gigabyte, DFI, and maybe MSI, though they are more 2nd tier.
My old board, which is in my secondary system is a Gigabyte, and it has treated me well. They are a good company. If I were looking for a top mobo, I would stick to Abit, Asus, Gigabyte, DFI, and maybe MSI, though they are more 2nd tier.
Lets see, Ive used MSI, DFI, Asus (first one i ever bought actuallly worked . . .), ABIT of course, ECS, and probably Foxconn (Winbond). I say probably foxconn, because supposedly Winbond IS foxconn, and I have a 7-8 year old compaq presario PII 300 (was given to me) that is still alive, and kicking with a vengance, which I think uses a Winbond board. I'm not really a huge fan pf proprietary motherboards such as for this compaq, but if they would all live this long, I wouldnt care so much. DFI board I owned always crashed in Win98SE (super 7 board), the MSI went dead doornail after a couple of years, I dont recall too much about the ECS board, it was years ago, the one Asus board out of 5 I've owned that DID work, worked great, for the short period of time that I owned it (sold it). Its sad that the only good motherboard I've had from Asus was a slot A board (yes, again, years ago)
Anymore, I'll just wait for the ABIT board with the features that I want, to come out.I've learned a long time ago, buying PC parts RIGHT NOW, doesnt work for me (meaning I can wait until something I want comes out, even though I AM a gamer). The main reasons ? Its been my experience that ABIT boards are all about stability first, performance second, and for me, stability is a must, and for the gamer in me, performance is also a must, but not at the expense of stability. Some ABIT boards are junk I'll agree (well, atleast in the past), but you always get what you pay for, so if you pay 20 bux for xx brand, I dont care who made it, its not going to be a good board.
From what I understand Asrock is a division of Asus, and while I will not buy Asus ever again, I do own a Asrock mini ATX board that pretty much rocks, for what it is. They are also inexpencive by comparrison, and dont always offer the most up to date features, but for a small simple file server, or whatever, they are good, and the ydo seem to last a good while (this one is 3 years old I belive, not bad for a 60 buck motherboard)
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Yeah, I've heard good things about Asrock, never used one myself. ECS is ok for bottom budget, but nothing above that (at least in my experience).
I probably would have waited for the Abit board if Oblivion and my AIW x 1900 weren't already here (I had an AGP board at the time).
I probably would have waited for the Abit board if Oblivion and my AIW x 1900 weren't already here (I had an AGP board at the time).
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EPoX is all right, they have a very good 570 SLi board. Loads of OC features...
Gigabyte is pretty good, ASUS is up there, DFI is nice (great color scheme), MSI is having a little trouble getting their K9N series going, Abit is doing pretty good, Fatal1ty board looks interesting...
~Ibrahim~
Gigabyte is pretty good, ASUS is up there, DFI is nice (great color scheme), MSI is having a little trouble getting their K9N series going, Abit is doing pretty good, Fatal1ty board looks interesting...
~Ibrahim~
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yeah, my list was not meant to be comprehensive. I've used several other devent companies, such as tyan (server oriented), and soyo, etc.
Along with lower end boards for budget PCs such as PC Chips and Biostar.
Along with lower end boards for budget PCs such as PC Chips and Biostar.
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Tyan does mostly server boards now days yeah. I've seen one of thier boards at Frys, that had 4 sockets, dont recall what socket type it was however.
Just for the record, we have 3 dual slot P3 systems here, oldest one is somewhere around 5 years old (possibly slightly older), they are all still running very strong. Anyhow, they all use Tyan boards, but I do not personally own them, so I didnt mention them.
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Define 'legacy' for us.
For some, serial/parallel ports fit that description. Obviously, ISA is also a gimmie. USB 1.1 is right there, too. Let's talk AGP. How about PCI- how much longer will it be before we're using those x1 PCI-E slots (or can we now? Anyone? Bueller?)
How's this: I still own an 1980's TRS-80 Model 4P! HAHA! Talk about legacy! For those who don't know, it's a "portable" computer that weighs about 26 pounds.
Word.
I sold my trash-80. I wish I had kept it.
I should of known that the first response to my question would be: define legacy. I guess I should have asked if there was a manufaturer making any attempt at all to free-up some ATX motherboard realestate by leaving off the really useless old technology. Perhaps a list in order of uselessnes would be:
1. Parallel Port
2. Serial Port
3. ISA bus
4. PS/2 mouse and KB ports
5. ATA/ATAPI
6. AGP
7. Floppy drive
8. Modem port
9. PCI
10. CD drive
11. Etc...
I am planning the PC I will build to install Windows Vista next year and I know I won't be using that legacy crap - ever. I have all the legacy stuff on my older PCs if there is ever a 1 in a million chance I would ever need a parallel port for something. I'm starting to buy $450 notebook computers to put in various places around the house where I would have used old computers, though. My oldest computer will be a Pentium 4 in a few months. It has legacy crap out the wazoo that I have never used.
Anyway, apparently the answer to my question is: no. So, I might as well get over it. But, there is so much useless crap on my current motherboards that it is making it difficult to negotiate the cables and cards around everything. I mean, seriously, some time they are going to have to stop putting some of that old useless stuff on there are we will run out of room.
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Those things are dying, but not fast enough! But then there is the counter-argument that we are progressing too fast. It is well known that technology bought in the last few years is easily out done by todays hardware.For the consumer, it is hard to keep on the "cutting-edge" without excessive amounts of money.
Makes you want to get a console, but the games are pure rubbish. 😉
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Makes you want to get a console, but the games are pure rubbish. 😉
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Correct, excessive amounts of money. I have a LaserJet III for printing documents, why? Because it cost me nothing but some electricity to use it. The toner cartridge last for THOUSANDS of prints, and I find free spares in trashed-out LaserJets.
I have a SCSI card because high-end SCSI scanners are free now too. Anything USB under $200 can't compare.
I have a nice joystick collection: The new joysticks lack ergonomics found in a select few older models. Takes a joystick port, of course.
I can't afford the USB 2.0 to SCSI adapter that Adaptec just took off the market. I can't find a USB to Joystick adapter that's universal. But I can afford to adapt the printer to USB.
I have a SCSI card because high-end SCSI scanners are free now too. Anything USB under $200 can't compare.
I have a nice joystick collection: The new joysticks lack ergonomics found in a select few older models. Takes a joystick port, of course.
I can't afford the USB 2.0 to SCSI adapter that Adaptec just took off the market. I can't find a USB to Joystick adapter that's universal. But I can afford to adapt the printer to USB.
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