News Below MSRP and Only Getting Cheaper: The GPU Deluge Begins

Not yet, getting close though.


If I needed a card today that 6600 below $300 is sitting pretty sweet.
I would not touch a used gpu knowing how hot they run in mining rigs.

I certainly won't shed one tear for places like the egg or other retailers. They made serious bank on this over the last couple years.
They can sell their stock now at a loss and still be ahead, or not. They deserve worse.
 
Imagine people saying computers will never be a practical thing back when a very basic calculation machine took up several large buildies just to do simple maths.

Yes, crypto is down. Still up 7,000% from a few years ago but yeah we've heard this song and dance before, crypto is done for, it is crashed you people are holding monopoly money.
This is not at all the case, however. It will come back... and much stronger than before just as it has time and again.

Unless we continue to segregate the market between crypto miners and gamers, we will be fighting this battle over and over. Of course, one solution is ramping up production but supplies are still being manipulated, causing shortages and problems for common denominators... and of course overproduction is a huge issue on the down swing of demand which we are seeing now. You couldn't hold stock a couple months ago, now you can't get rid of it fast enough. And when the next big demand cycle comes in it may be even worse than before.
 
Imagine people saying computers will never be a practical thing back when a very basic calculation machine took up several large buildies just to do simple maths.

Yes, crypto is down. Still up 7,000% from a few years ago but yeah we've heard this song and dance before, crypto is done for, it is crashed you people are holding monopoly money.
This is not at all the case, however. It will come back... and much stronger than before just as it has time and again.

Unless we continue to segregate the market between crypto miners and gamers, we will be fighting this battle over and over. Of course, one solution is ramping up production but supplies are still being manipulated, causing shortages and problems for common denominators... and of course overproduction is a huge issue on the down swing of demand which we are seeing now. You couldn't hold stock a couple months ago, now you can't get rid of it fast enough. And when the next big demand cycle comes in it may be even worse than before.
You know what the great thing about patterns in stocks, crypto, etc. is? They all eventually break down.

I don't think Bitcoin is done for, or Ethereum, but I would not keep mining at current valuations if I had a bunch of GPUs available. Maybe I'm just shortsighted, but at some point someone is going to say, "It will be back and reach new record highs!" and they'll be wrong.
 
All of the people calling me and others crazy for saying GPUs will eventually get back to MSRP if people are willing to wait long enough have finally been proven wrong.

Manufacturers cannot charge more than what the market will bear and the market for people willing to pay exorbitant premiums has finally been exhausted..

Unless we continue to segregate the market between crypto miners and gamers, we will be fighting this battle over and over.
i don't think we will: with the global natural resources and energy crunch, PoW crypto will be forced into retirement before the next crypto bubble by energy costs. The number of people who got conned into believing that crypto would be more stable than fiat currencies in its first large-scale trial-by-fire in the current global downturn should also greatly diminish interest in the next crypto cycle. NFTs' spectacular failures over the last year have also driven awareness of the volatility of virtual "assets."

By the next boom, we'll likely have a bunch of courts and governments who will have settled whether crypto is a a stock, bond, currency or something else with all of the tax and consumer protection requirements that go with them, which could massively increase the regulatory burdens people who want to get involved with it have to jump through to the point of most people giving up. Crypto is going to lose a good chunk of its appeal if governments decide that all transactions between legal entities must be done through registered and verified wallet addresses.

Will there be another cycle? Sure. Though I doubt it'll be anywhere near as big as 2020's.

I don't think Bitcoin is done for, or Ethereum, but I would not keep mining at current valuations if I had a bunch of GPUs available.
Keep crypto-mining at $0.20-0.80 per day per GPU while crossing fingers that crypto prices don't drop further, that your energy costs don't go up, that nothing happens to your mining farm, that your rent does not go up, etc. or sell those GPUs to get $250-800 per GPU right now and be done with it?

Right now, common sense appears heavily stacked on the "GTFO while the GTFOing is good" side.
 
All of the people calling me and others crazy for saying GPUs will eventually get back to MSRP if people are willing to wait long enough have finally been proven wrong.
Manufacturers cannot charge more than what the market will bear and the market for people willing to pay exorbitant premiums has finally been exhausted..
Who said you were crazy? This was inevitable with the rise and fall of markets. Supply was bound to recover, and don't forget the timing just before new tech is coming out. What I am saying is people that say 'ok, this time, for sure, crypto is done for!' Have been proven wrong over and over again. They will eventually be right though, and they will shout, 'I told you so!' never bothering to recognize the impact of something having reached the end of it's inevitable evolutionary cycle. And with technology, these cycles are faster than ever before.


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i don't think we will: with the global natural resources and energy crunch, PoW crypto will be forced into retirement before the next crypto bubble by energy costs. The number of people who got conned into believing that crypto would be more stable than fiat currencies in its first large-scale trial-by-fire in the current global downturn should also greatly diminish interest in the next crypto cycle. NFTs' spectacular failures over the last year have also driven awareness of the volatility of virtual "assets."

By the next boom, we'll likely have a bunch of courts and governments who will have settled whether crypto is a a stock, bond, currency or something else with all of the tax and consumer protection requirements that go with them, which could massively increase the regulatory burdens people who want to get involved with it have to jump through to the point of most people giving up. Crypto is going to lose a good chunk of its appeal if governments decide that all transactions between legal entities must be done through registered and verified wallet addresses.
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Crypto will always be a thing, the usefulness of an decentralized world-wide currency has been proven. Will it exist in it's current form and be mined and distributed the same way? It will evolve. Crypto WILL change, but it's influence is irreversable. I believe we are a ways off of such a big seperation, again this will happen fast because of technology, but I feel 10 years is a good time line. Practical Quantum computers are just around the corner and will be game changers for such tasks and security... not to mention AI and bots. Cryptos biggest weakness right now is it's tie to fiat, it cannot replace currencies in it's current state. Security, upgradability, influence, resource drain are all still very big concerns and have yet to be solved.

It's just ridiculous that with every fall, there are people shouting from the rooftops, IT HAS CRASHED !! I TOLD YOU SO! When this is what markets do, especially considering worldwide crisis and corrupt regimes such as the US is facing now. All markets are wonky right now and fiat is spiraling down in a major way. This will only bolster support for alternatives. Yes the governments see it as a threat. They will attempt to shut it down and regulate it and just might succeed, for a time. This was one of the founding ideas behind crypto...to be ungovernable.
They are also attempting to tax the bejusus out of market gains, they just increased the tax rate. Recent stock inheritance rules also added a tax burden. Hell, they are pushing to even tax unrealized gains via the "TAX THE RICH!" movement...which would screw all asset holders.
 
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all i know is there is 0% chance i will ever buy nor advise anyone else to buy a used gpu. i don't care how cheap they get, it will never be worth it to me.

Oh, I think there is absolutely a point at which I would consider a used GPU, even if I knew that it was mined with over and above figuring that the seller is lying to say it wasn't. The giant if in that aspect is price. If the market floods the way it's set up to (probably) do, I think we are going to be sub half price and more on some very attractive performers.
 
i can def see the temptation coming for sure. and i also see some countries where they may be the only/best option.

in the end i'll never pull the trigger on one, but i could see where some really desperate countries would go for them. i feel bad for them cause the mega miners will also know which countries to dispose of them in. but i will personally suggest against it 100% of the time, despite knowing it might be the only option.

i just don't trust them at all in any way.
 
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The other important thing is also being capable of doing a deep-clean, thermal pads, re-paste and re-flash job on those GPUs to return them as close to factory-new state as possible.

I would take that as a given with any used GPU purchase. It is sometimes amazing what you find on the backside of fan blades and tucked up under where the shroud covers in dust and gunk alone.
It's also important to be familiar with vBIOS flashing in many cases.
 
i do like new stock coming down. msrp is too high imo but it's still nice to see close to msrp for the first time in a long time.

i don't need a new card but could consider an upgrade if they come down like folks seem to think it will.

i have no issue buying last years model if it is new, so bring on the 4000 series so i can get me a nice cheap 3000 series card :hot:
 
All I thought after reading the article was, this is probably written by someone who wants to lay off dozens of GPUs they bought for mining and now advising others to buy those used cards for less than MSRP .... yay! :homer:
 
i have no issue buying last years model if it is new, so bring on the 4000 series so i can get me a nice cheap 3000 series card :hot:
I don't mind last year's models if they are priced competitively. Historically though, launches are scheduled to coincide close enough with old stock running dry that there isn't much gen-against-gen competition, sometimes leading to shortages of previous-gen SKUs before their next-gen replacements' launches.
 
I'd read that article.

Also "How to test your new to-you GPU for full function immediately" while returning it might be possible.
A couple of months ago, Linus did a 1/2/3 years mining GPU performance degradation benchmark/review by borrowing GPUs from miners and comparing them against their nearest equivalent near-new GPUs from their inventory. Their conclusion? No statistically meaningful difference, benchmark results were within typical sample-to-sample, vendor-to-vendor variations.
 
I've got a few cards that were mined and they always have issues. Artifacts, blue screens, PC failing to post, etc. it is just not worth the hassle no matter how cheap it is. Just save a few more bucks and get a brand new card from a reputable source with all the necessary warranty documentation. It'll be worth it sooner than you expect.
 
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I've got a few cards that were mined and they always have issues. Artifacts, blue screens, PC failing to post, etc. it is just not worth the hassle no matter how cheap it is.
After deep-cleaning, re-pads, re-paste and re-flash?

If they are from eBay, refunds are almost always in favor of buyers as long as you don't buy "as-is" or "parts only" cards. The difference between used and retail may still be small now but I suspect it is going to get much larger as more miners decide to retire their rigs and cash in on the residual value while used GPUs are still worth something.
 
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Brand new ones, the only ones worth buying, are definitively not quite there yet.

Used GPUs that were mining 24-7 should not be touched by anyone, especially nvidia ones, that probably have modified firmware to run faster and hotter.

Just no.
 
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