Best DDR4 memory speed

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Have a i7-7700K and an Asus Strix Z270E GAMING mobo in my cart. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813132928&ignorebbr= What is the best choice for RAM speed? May do some overclocking but not looking to set records. Thanks.
 
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1. Enjoy like on the Bleeding Edge ? If not, I'd hold off on Z270 till the bugs shake out w/ the 2nd or 3rd stepping boards. usually the 1st stepping boards have some annoying but not critical issues like components not returning from sleep state (i.e. Asus Z87) but no one can forget the b3 debacle back w/ P68

http://www.pcstats.com/articleview.cfm?articleID=2589

2. For video editing at your usage level, I'd suggest an I7 ... w/ Z170 board if you want something before you file ya taxes on April 15.

3. RAM speeds do matter ... its oft thought otherwise by gamers, gaming performance is limited by the "weakest link"... many games are limited by the GFX card, but when ya add a 2nd GFX card, then the RAM speed can become the limiting...
Well first off the 4770k wont work in a Z270 MOBO. You would a z97 board for the 4770k.
Secondly RAM speeds are not a big deal. I can advise based off of the processor or the motherboard, but the 2 that you picked wont work together.
 
1. Enjoy like on the Bleeding Edge ? If not, I'd hold off on Z270 till the bugs shake out w/ the 2nd or 3rd stepping boards. usually the 1st stepping boards have some annoying but not critical issues like components not returning from sleep state (i.e. Asus Z87) but no one can forget the b3 debacle back w/ P68

http://www.pcstats.com/articleview.cfm?articleID=2589

2. For video editing at your usage level, I'd suggest an I7 ... w/ Z170 board if you want something before you file ya taxes on April 15.

3. RAM speeds do matter ... its oft thought otherwise by gamers, gaming performance is limited by the "weakest link"... many games are limited by the GFX card, but when ya add a 2nd GFX card, then the RAM speed can become the limiting factor. In other games it matters no matter what... For F1 for example, you will see an increase of 11% going from DDR3-1600 to DDr3-2400

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/32-gb-ddr3-ram,3790-10.html

And with your video editing requirement, as they saying goes, never can have RAM that is too much, too fast or too low with CAS latency. DDR4-3200 has been the sweet spot of late .... buying 2400 when 3200 is basically same price would be a "duh moment" when 2400 sets were just $5 less ... however... yesterday's sets were $99.99 are now $115.99. I think the black sets are still $99.99 tho ... so watch daily price fluctuations

I'd suggest the following if building now:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i7-6700K 4.0GHz Quad-Core Processor ($328.99 @ SuperBiiz)
CPU Cooler: Phanteks PH-TC14PE 78.1 CFM CPU Cooler ($74.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-Z170X-Gaming 7 ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($188.98 @ Newegg)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance LPX 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3200 Memory ($115.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $708.95
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-01-05 18:03 EST-0500
 
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yep.

use PCPARTPICKER to help check for incompatibilities with CPU and socket

1) i7-4770K + suitable Haswell (DDR3 memory)

2) i7-7700K + Z270 (DDR4 memory)

3) DDR4 with that CPU should be fine with 2666MHz kit in dual channel. Any more is pointless except some very specific situations where there may be a small gain.

4) I am NOT recommending this per say, but it's something I already had made->
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/PzHHqk

5) I'd go with an i7-7700K build though since the price looks similar.
 


My mistake. I meant a i7-7700K
 


Thanks for the advice. This is not my first build. As you can see the build I have now is pretty good and many advise to wait for CannonLake but I am tired of waiting and will with a KabyLake and sell my old PC for parts as a whole minus the GTX 1080.
 


Enjoy. .. my son is a pilot ... bet yoiu too could share some ideas.

And yes, faster RAM matters there too ... good idea at 2 x 16GB rater than 4 x 8GB ... that will help in vid editing too. The reason i stop at 3200 is that the performance price curve goes up sharply after 3200 ... as we saw above for quality modules, there can be small differences between 2400 and 3200... next one up, we start to see substantial price increases and going steeper from there.

 


So you recommend I go with 3000 or 3200?
 
same price so why go low ?...tho wait, i was lookin at 2 x 8GB, let's check 2 x 16GB

($181) Corsair Vengeance LPX 32GB (2 x 16GB) DDR4-2666
http://pcpartpicker.com/product/zntWGX/corsair-vengeance-lpx-32gb-2-x-16gb-ddr4-2666-memory-cmk32gx4m2a2666c16w

($186) Corsair Vengeance LPX 32GB (2 x 16GB) DDR4-3000
http://pcpartpicker.com/product/3Mbkcf/corsair-memory-cmk32gx4m2b3000c15r

($190) Corsair Vengeance LPX 32GB (2 x 16GB) DDR4-3200
http://pcpartpicker.com/product/6rrcCJ/corsair-memory-cmk32gx4m2b3200c16

For $4-5 per speed bump, I'd put the 3200 in the proverbial "no brainer" category

The next bump to DDR4-3333 will costs ya +$70 at $260
 
*I suggest waiting for RYZEN pricing to be officially announced. You may want to buy a 6C/12T or 8C/16T CPU from AMD.

DDR4 bandwidth:
The reason I recommend 2666MHz CL15 DDR4 is because it's hard to find any REAL WORLD benefits (not synthetics) that require more bandwidth.

*MAKE SURE YOU FIND TESTS FOR THE CPU YOU USE. (an 8C/16T requires more bandwidth than a 4C/8T of same or similar architecture).

However, the higher-end kits require more voltage and thus stress the CPU memory controller beyond the listed spec. It's PROBABLY fine if you don't go too high.

So do your own research. Perhaps 3000MHz is a good balance (and avoid high latency CL or it just becomes slower with more voltage).

TESTING:
This test was for dual vs quad-channel but they used 2666MHz DDR4 memory and didn't see much benefit by DOUBLING the bandwidth (quad vs dual) so there is no benefit to these tests to increase dual-channel frequency.
http://www.pcworld.com/article/2982965/components/quad-channel-ram-vs-dual-channel-ram-the-shocking-truth-about-their-performance.html

7% gain in the 7-zip test, so there IS a few cases where you can benefit a high-end 6C/12T CPU.

RYZEN 8C/16T is big news so they will have LOTS of tests to determine what you need to max it out with DDR4 memory (no quad-channel only dual-channel).
 


http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813130970&cm_re=z270-_-13-130-970-_-Product May be going with this board. A little less but has more than I need
 


That's funny. The same exact t 3200 is what I have sitting in my cart right now!!
 
In this era of fake news, folks rarely get past the headlines and delve into the numbers, so let's do just that.

1. Headline: Increased RAM speed has no effect on Gaming Performance

As for testing, tell me what ya wanna prove and I'll give ya a test that proves either side of the argument.

Memory Speed has no effect - testing with Metro 2033 proves it
Memory Speed has significant effect - testing with F1 proves it (11%)

http://techbuyersguru.com/gaming-ddr4-memory-2133-vs-26663200mhz-8gb-vs-16gb?page=3

6700k w/ 98 TI and 16GB
Crysis 3 - 2133 = 61.7 / 2666 = 62.1 / 3200 = 64.0

The first comeback ya get when posting those results is ... yeah but the increase is insignificant, no one will notice the difference. I must say that is certainly a valid argument at just 3.7%. So lets consider a moderately priced $1200 build ... does it make sense to invest in DDR4-3200 ? Yes, the 3.7% increase in speed is somewhat insignificant, however what is many times more insignificant is the the increase in system price at only 0.8%. In other words, your return on investment is 4.6 to 1. Let's look at some other games, but I first want to note the absence of games like F1 which are known to be memory intensive in the test

http://techbuyersguru.com/gaming-ddr4-memory-2133-vs-26663200mhz-8gb-vs-16gb?page=3

BF4: 82 w/ 2133 to 84 w/ 3200
Ryse, Son of Rome: 78.3 to 81.1
Grid Autosport: 119 to 122.4
Grand Theft Auto V: 61.3 to 61.6 (minimum speed increases from 40.7 to 43.4 = 6.4%)
The Witcher 3: 53.5 to 55.9 (47 to 49)
RoTR went from 63.5 w/ 2133 to 63.7 w/ 2666 and dropped to 62.7 w/ 3200.

On average (all 7 games tested):

2133 = 65.7 avg fps (54.4 min)
2666 = 66.5 avg fps (54.9 min)
3200 = 67.2 avg fps (56.1 min)

Doing the math....

Going from 2133 to 2666 for $5 get you a 1.2% performance increase in avg fps (0.9% min) for a 0.4% increase in system cost. That's of ROI of 3.0 to 1 on avg fps and 2.3 to 1 on min fps

Going from 2666 to 3200 for $4 get you a 1.05% performance increase in avg fps (2.2% min) for a 0.3% increase in system cost. That's of ROI of 3.5 to 1 on avg fps and a pretty significant 7.3 to 1 on min fps

So while the performance gains might be considered "insignificant", it's clear that the cost bump is much more insignificant being several orders of magnitude larger. The move from 2666 to 3200 (3.5 / 7.3) clearly has a better ROI than the move from 2133 to 2666 (3.0 / 2.3).

2. Headline: DDR4 over 1.35 volts is "scary scary".

RAM up to 3200 uses the same 1.35 volts. So "ooh scary scary voltage thing" is a non-issue. But, according to Intel, they have no issue with 1.4 and permit up to 1.5 on DDR4 for XMP. Exceeding the maximum voltage cited in the JEDEC specification is "not a thing" and has not been since this whole business started with Sandy Bridge.

Again, this comes from the fact that the JEDEC spec only goes up to 1.35 volts. But for as long as we have had XMP, higher voltages have been ... and remain to be fully supported and warranted by Intel, MoBo Manufacturers and RAM manufacturers. As long as Intel is listing DDR4-4266 RAM on their "Certified Compatible" RAM list, and allowing up to 1.5 volts for XMP, there is no issue here... it's is most certainly "perfectly fine".

http://www.legitreviews.com/what-is-the-safe-voltage-range-for-ddr4-memory-overclocking_150115

Legit Reviews contacted Intel about the safe voltage range on DDR4 memory and we received this response

1.5v is the absolute max we allow for XMP certifications. However, good DDR4 memory will run at 1.35v up to 3200.

Despite thousands upon thousands of warning posts on this topic, I have yet to see a single post stating "I blew my IMC running my RAM at the rated voltage on my memory package". I have seen forum posts from the major MoBo vendors and personally received e-mails from Asus, MSI and Gigabyte stating that they have no issue with running any compatible RAM at the rated voltage on the package and up to 0.075 above that. I have seen folks running 1.65v XMP rated Mushkin RAM (supposedly limited to 1.5) at 1.94v w/o issue .... I have 3 boxes in this room, running at 0.050 to 0.075 above rated voltage for 3 to 6 years and these machines are all on 24/7. If this was a problem, RAM manufacturers, MoBo manufacturers and Intel would not be listing this voltages on their published spec sheets, QVLs, packaging, etc as then they are on the hook for replacing anything that dies.

If Intel is willing to go on record saying 1.7v is just fine for XMP with DDR3 and 1.5v is just fine for XMP with DDR4, I don't see what all the fuss is about. Does it have an impact on component life ? Yes, all overclocking does .... do we care ? If we did, no one would be buying K series processors or using XMP ... we just don't care because we don't care how long it might have lasted if the stuff wasn't in that dusty PC in the corner in the spare room, a drawer some where .... or in a landfill.