[SOLVED] Best Gaming Performance for $4,000 or less?

[Tatoline]

Hello guys. I know almost nothing about hardware so one of my friends built a PC for himself and I just want to copy it for myself. But I wanted to ask you about your ideas and some questions about the parts.

First of all I want to show you the system. Then I will explain the details and ask the questions I was wondering.

CPU: Intel Core i9-9900K Desktop Processor 8 Cores up to 5.0 GHz Turbo LGA1151 300 Series 95W

CPU Cooler/Case Fan: Cooler Master Liquid ML360R CPU Liquid Cooler, 360 Radiator, Dual Chamber Pump, Dual MF120R Fans, Independently-Controlled ARGB LEDs for AMD Ryzen/Intel 1151

Motherboard: MSI MPG Z390 Gaming PRO Carbon LGA1151 (Intel 8th and 9th Gen) M.2 USB 3.1 Gen 2 DDR4 HDMI DP SLI CFX ATX Z390 Gaming Motherboard

Memory: Corsair Vengeance RGB Pro 32GB (2x16GB) DDR4 3200 (PC4-25600) C16 Desktop Memory - Black

Storage: Samsung (MZ-V7E1T0BW) 970 EVO SSD 1TB - M.2 NVMe Interface Internal Solid State Drive with V-NAND Technology, Black/Red

Video Card: MSI GeForce RTX 2080 Ti Gaming X Trio Graphics Card

Power Supply: Corsair HX Series, HX1000, 1000 Watt, 80+ Platinum Certified, Fully Modular Power Supply

Case: As case, I want to use my own case since I recently buy it which is Aerocool AirHawk Duo ARGB Mid Tower Case

Amazon list of the system: https://www.amazon.com/hz/wishlist/ls/RQAZCQRXNEBC

I'm trying to build the best gaming computer with spending maximum $4,000. Based on this purpose, what do you think about these parts?

The question that I was wondering most is about processor(Intel i9 9900K): It says socket type 1151 on Intel's web site. But I read on somewhere that 6th and 7th generation processors are using 1151, and 8th and 9th generation processors are using 1151v2. Based on this information it should be 1151v2 socket type but Intel write 1151 on their web site. What am I missing?

My friend told me that the max memory size of processor is 128GB but the max memory size of the motherboard (MSI MPG Z390) is 64GB. So I though that I can buy different motherboard which also supports 128GB ram. But the motherboards are usually have 1151v2 sockets; ratio between 1151/1151v2 motherboards is 5/70 on an electronic market that I checked it out. (I prefer MSI for motherboard; kind of brand obsession). So what is the deal about 1151 and 1151v2?

Next question: My friend advice me to buy MSI MPG Sekira 500X as case. But I already have Aerocool AirHawk Duo ARGB Mid Tower Case. So can I just use my case or I should buy a new case either? Can I assemble the Cooler Master ML360R fans on the my Aerocool case?

About the coolers/fans: I see a lot of impressive liquid cooler systems like this one. What are these and can I assemble and make them work on this system?

I think these are all the questions I wonder but above all I wonder your opinion. Thank you guys for giving a time.

 

[Flayed]

Here is my list:
PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 9 3950X 3.5 GHz 16-Core Processor ($709.99 @ Amazon)
CPU Cooler: ARCTIC LIQUID FREEZER II 360 56.3 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler ($124.99 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: MSI MAG X570 TOMAHAWK WIFI ATX AM4 Motherboard ($264.49 @ Amazon)
Memory: G.Skill Trident Z Neo 64 GB (4 x 16 GB) DDR4-3600 CL16 Memory ($354.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Samsung 970 EVO Plus 2 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive ($349.99 @ Amazon)
Video Card: MSI GeForce RTX 3090 24 GB GAMING X TRIO Video Card
Case: Cooler Master MasterCase H500P Mesh ATX Mid Tower Case ($145.99 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: Corsair HX Platinum 1000 W 80+ Platinum Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply ($226.98 @ Newegg)
Total: $2177.42
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-09-11 05:33 EDT-0400

 

[ScrewySqrl]

My monitor resolution is 4K, so GPU will do the job as you say. But also I need a powerful CPU since I'm running some codes on CPU, especially deep learning projects can be hungry for both CPU power and RAM.






First of all I really want to use Samsung's SSD since I know its SSDs are durable for long period. First time I heard Sabrent Rocket. It's looking like it has slightly better speed than Samsung Evo Plus but I cannot take the risk to lose my files. Also I searched the Sabrent Rocket and I found some problems about it, like you have to use Windows for updating its driver, you cannot use Linux or Mac, there is no bootable iso on their web site, and like so.

Secondly, I notice that you reduced the RAMs to 3200Mhz. Is the reason of that the CPU can't use more 2933Mhz RAM speed as I mentioned before, or because of a different reason?

And why Asus for RTX 3090 instead of Nvidia? They produce it and selling to Asus, don't they?

I have a new case which is Aerocool AirHawk Duo ARGB Mid Tower Case, don't you think I can use this case or I should buy a different one?

Also do you think Corsair iCUE H115i RGB Pro XT 63 CFM can cool better than Cooler Master MasterLiquid ML360R RGB 66.7 CFM, or it's just your personel preference as a brand?

Can you suggest me a MSI motherboard instead of Asus motherboard? And in your opinion, do I really need 1600W power supply or can I use 1000W instead?






I was waiting for RTX 3090 for the months. You guys tell me to wait, this is why I waited to build this PC for a long time. I couldn't understand you exactly why should I wait for the new generation? These generation is the new generation and they haven't even been released yet. They will be release on 24 September.






Actually no, still trying to build and if you have any advice, I would be very pleased.

And I didn't get what you said about RAMs. Actually nobody answered my question about RAMs. i9 10900K processor says DDR4-2933 on its web site, so is this mean that it supports max 2933Mhz RAMs or not? If it is like that, why they produce 3200Mhz, 3600Mhz, even 4000Mhz RAMs? For example for the which processors exactly?



Also nobody wrote that can I use the products I bought from US without any problem in Europe. Doesn't anyone have an opinion on this situation?

Looking forward the hearing from you guys, I'm really excited about this build and I want to order this week. Thank you for your helps.

the Motherboard will run higher speeds, you just have to manually set it with the XMP Profile within the motherboard BIOS.

AMD CPUs like faster memory than Intel ones. (the ideal sweet spot for AMD is 3733, Intel is 3200)

 

[Phaaze88]

Intel's cpus in Skylake and all it's refreshes continue to scale up, even past Ryzen 3000's hard limit of 3733mhz.
The performance scaling gets weaker the higher one goes though. Intel's cpus also aren't as picky about the primary and secondary timings either.
The sweet spot for Intel is on how much the user is comfortable with spending. 3600mhz is pretty affordable these days.

 

[ScrewySqrl]

If you are still yet to build, here's my suggestions:

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 9 3950X 3.5 GHz 16-Core Processor ($709.99 @ Amazon)
CPU Cooler: be quiet! Dark Rock 4 CPU Cooler ($74.90 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: ASRock X570 Phantom Gaming 4S ATX AM4 Motherboard ($139.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: Kingston HyperX Fury RGB 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3733 CL19 Memory ($199.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Crucial BX500 2 TB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($199.99 @ Adorama)
Storage: Intel 660p Series 2.048 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive ($249.99 @ Adorama)
Storage: Seagate 4 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($113.50 @ Amazon)
Video Card: MSI GeForce RTX 3090 24 GB GAMING X TRIO Video Card ($1499.99)
Case: Deepcool MATREXX 50 ADD-RGB 4F ATX Mid Tower Case ($79.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: SeaSonic FOCUS Plus Gold 750 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply ($139.98 @ Newegg)
Total: $3408.31
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-09-11 16:09 EDT-0400

at 4K and with non-gaming CPU-intensive tasks, the r9 will beat the Intel i9, using less power and more cores.

The i9 would only beat the r9 in gaming at 1080p, not 4K (the GPU is more important there), and for any multitasking, the r9 is just better, hands down.

you could swap out the big air cooler for water cooling. add bigger hard drives, or double up the RAM and stay within your budget. This is a Prosumer Workstation as much as a gaming system