Best Mobo + RAM +Processor + GPU under 850USD (45000 INR)

itspriyank

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Hi guys I want to build a new system which should be able to run the games which have already been released or planned to release in next 3-4 years (games like Battlefield 4 or GTA V).

Parts I already own :

2 TB Seagate HDD 7200 RPM
DVD RW LG
23" Full HD Dell Monitor (1920X1080)
Keyboard and mice


Parts I want to buy:

New Processor (Intel only)
Motherboard (pref. ASUS)
GPU (Nvidia or ATI)
RAM

Please provide me some advice for buying these new parts which remain inside my budget of USD 850 (INR 45000) and give me best possible performance.
Overcloaking is okay with me.
 

edtheguy

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Its impossible to say for sure before a game is released - BUT - it is extremely unlikely that a game will be out in the near future that the 3570/670 combo won't be able to run easily.
 

obsama1

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GTA IV was requirement heavy because it was VERY unoptimized, so you needed a beast computer to run it. GTA V is published by Rockstar, same publishers as Max Payne 3. So, it should have the same requirements as MP3, probably. If so, the 670 should kill it. Though, if you can, get the 4GB version. The 4GB helps, because the game can spike over 2GB at at times.

Also, OC'ing is not needed. Not at all. It's more of a hobby, and trying to squeeze every ounce of performance from you computer. OC'ing to 4GHz is is insanely easy.
 

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here in the US, the gtx670 runs at least 400 with shipping on top of that
i5 3570k is 230 with free shipping. ASRock(originated from ASUS) z77 extreme 4 can be
found for about 115 free shipping. 2x4GB DDR3 1600 ram can run for around 40 or less
(more if the market is being that way) so that is about 785 with possible additional tax/
shipping. doesn't leave much room in the budget for a good air cooler and there is
little point to buying an unlocked intel k series processor if you don't plan to push it a
ways. anandtech got the i5 2500k up to 4.4 with the stock cooler but the newer ivy
bridge processors like the 3570/k use a low grade thermal paste between the processor
die and the integraded heat spreader instead of the fluxless solder used in previous
chips. this has a negative impact on thermal conductivity so that even if you got the best
cooler out there it wouldn't do much good since the additional heat from overclocking is
trapped inside the processor and unable to make it to that aftermarket heatsink. based
on the stock clock the newer 3570 is a little faster than the 2500k but they overclock
about the same and the 3570's thermals are worse. You may be able to save some
money by going with the 2500k and a good cooler to go with but then you lose out on
pcie 3.0 connectivity and have to settle for version 2.0 with 1/2 the bandwidth since
16 lanes of 3.0 is about 16GB/s both directions and 2.0 is 8GB both ways. probably not
a big deal unless you were to go to a multi gpu setup which the z77 extreme 4 supports
for both amd crossfire and nvidia sli but at only 2x8 lanes(socket 1156/1155 CPUs only
have 16 lanes for videocards on the die). Also some adventureous tinkers have managed
to carefully remove ivy bridge's ihs and the paste inside, replacing it with higher quality
paste and end up getting much improved performance from after market heatsinks to
push ivy faster with much cooler temps. Not something I would attempt personally.
also the gtx670 could run short on memory in a few years. An HD7950(updated with the
new boost bios) or the 7970(non ghz ed.) may be more future proof for you.
 

jtenorj

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my understanding is that there is very little clock for clock performance improvement
going from sandy to ivy. the bulk of the improvement at stock is that ivy runs at a
slightly higher multipler by default. if the op can get ivy to 4.4 with a hyper 212, might
sandy be able to maybe get to 4.8 and be notably faster?
 

jtenorj

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i know ivy has pcie 3.0 while sandy is "limited" (i use that term loosely) to version 2.0
however, usb 3.0 is a platform thing supported on a chipset or seperate motherboard
controller chip, not the cpu. to quote wikipedia's page on ivy bridge microarchitecture:

"Intel has released new 7-series Panther Point chipsets with integrated USB 3.0 to
complement Ivy Bridge."

not meant to be a dis or anything, I'm just a bit of a factoid facist is all.
 

itspriyank

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Sorry guys I was down for few days because of the 3 musketeers - Cough, Cold, Fever.
So as far I am able draw from the discussion, Ivy is better than sandy and is more latest I guess (correct me though). So how much power supply is required for my system?

Also is there any Asus board equivalent to ASRock z77 Extreme 4?
 

jtenorj

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Ok, just reread the thread and have some varying thoughts for your upgrades.

"Also is there any Asus board equivalent to ASRock z77 Extreme 4?"

not for the same rock bottom price.

while many consider asus mobos superior to asrock in build quality, you wont
find the same features and performance on an asus board compared to a
similarly priced asrock model due to the asus price premium. that said, not sure
you even need everything the z77extreme4 provides(sli/cf). the 2GB hd7870
performs quite well on even a 2560x1600 lcd, and has no problem maxing
out a 2.1mpixel 1080p panel(even with msaa). an hd7970 will do 3 1080p
panels (6.2mpixel)quite well and performs similar to a gtx670 at 4.1M(for which
both are overkill) for about the same price(both also OC well).the gtx670 might
choke at 3x1080p w/aa tho due to smaller frame buffer & lower vram bandwidth.

the 7950, gtx660ti and 7870 perform fairly similar to one another, usually tiered
by price. an overclocked 7950 can do triple monitor like a stock 7970, but the
gtx660ti is a bit of an odd duck. it has both 25% lower vram bandwidth and
rop count compared to gtx670/680 and the radeons, yet the 2GB versions have
the same frame buffer size as pricier gk104 GPUs and the 3GB version matches
the frame buffer of hd7900 tahiti GPUs. a 3GB gtx660ti may be ok at 3x1080p
without applying msaa, but it and 2GB versions may stumble even at lower
resolutions when msaa is applied. fyi, 660ti has about 100GB/s less bandwidth
than 7950 with less potential to fix it(660ti 144 to 168 vs 7950 240 to 288).

Given currents console specs, leaked specs for next gen, and developer greed,
7870 should run a few years at 1080p/ maxed w/msaa(longevity helped w/OCing).

if you get a korean ips 27in 2560x1440p panel later on, get 7950 for aa and oc.
this may also be ok with aa if instead u add 2 1080p panels in the future. like a
7970 tho, this is just ok now and may not be enough performance for very long.

personally, i think the bezels would drive me nuts with a setup like that.

if considering 1440p without max msaa but w/fxaa instead go 660ti 2GB and oc.

if considering 3x1080p w/o max msaa but w/fxaa go with the gtx660ti 3GB OCed.

best price/perf. at 3x1080p w/msaa would be a 7970(non ghz ed.) overclocked
yourself for about the same price as gtx670. of course radeons do fxaa as well.

dont forget the catalyst 12.7 beta driver that gives a fairly healthy performance
boost to all HD7000 series radeons based on the GCN architecture.

a note on nvidia physx... interesting feature that may or may not be a game
changer depending on the supported title(talking both change to gameplay
experience and performance hit required to enable it in a way you notice the
difference while playing). seems to me that for all the new titles available since
introduction, # of titles where it both enhances gaming experience in a way
you notice while playing and with good performance is kind of lackluster. this
may be because a majority of developers dont want to alienate a large market
of radeon gpu owners by not allowed them to have the same experience as on
a nvidia card(this is pure speculation on my part, but kinda makes sense if you
think about it a little). it may also be due to the additional developement time
required to support the feature in such a way as this that wont function on
about half the discrete cards out there. and as for " the way it's meant to be
played"(TWIMTBP), some of those titles run better on a geforce at a given price/
perf. point, some better on a comparable radeon, most run 'em about the same.

if you dont attempt OCing a 28nm gpu, you are leaving performance on the table.

even the most expensive single gpu card here shouldn't bottleneck on any
current i5 quad(non k). multi gpu has the potential to introduce microstuttering
into your gameplay experience and may sour any higher fps gained from the cost
of adding another gpu. given all that maybe save cash w/i5(non k, w/intel hsf) and
and a lesser z77 or z75/b75 mobo since u wont be changing multipliers(so no evo).

if you really want to oc, get the ivy i5k and the 212evo. with 1 gpu on a pciex16
slot(all lanes firing), v3.0 vs 2.0 makes no difference whatsoever. the next upgrade
you get down the road will likely be an even faster gpu, so you might want an ivy
i5k for that, but the next upgrade after that might be a on a new platform. 8gigs of
a good brand 's ddr3 1600 should keep you happily gaming for some years to come.

consider these 500w PSUs (more than plenty for now and later unless single gpu
video cards become ridiculously power hungry, exceeding 300w tdp)

200+ reviews, average 4/5 eggs, 34A on single 12v rail(408w) vs gs500(39A,468w)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139027&Tpk=corsair%20cx500%20v2 200+

tested to provide more than rated wattage w/low ripple @hardwaresecrets
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139033
 

itspriyank

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After reading your reply now I am reconsidering my decision. I think ASRock board will be better then. I have always used Asus boards, that's why I thought going with it will be a good idea. But as you are saying that ASRock is also a big player then I don't have a problem with it. But I will have to check if the company provides replacement warranty in my country.

But I would like to go with 3570K unlocked because I think that most of games wont ask for more and 16 GB DD3 (1600Mhz) G.Skill Ripjaws will the best best suited for me. Is there any special method for installing two RAM chips onto board to get more performance? Is the stock cooler of 3570K not good enough to support oc'd temperatures? If not then I guess I would go for a Cooler Master liquid cooling system also.

Coming to GPU I am okay with both ATI and Nvidia as far as both are under my budget and give me high performance. I think GTX 670 is new and is using using Kepler technology with 28nm chipset. I don't have any grudges if I oc it even. The ATI 7970 HD has also got great reviews from users. Both the cards perform to a great level.

So my confusion now remains between these two cards, which one should I get to take high level performance for a longer period of time (oc is no problem)? Benchmarks will certainly help me out. What I don't want is the bottleneck situation ever.

And for the power supply I am considering a Corsair 650W because I don't know if in future I tend to over clock my CPU and GPU then there would be an immense requirement for more power.

So please re-list all the components again with their makes and model number and benefits. Also keep in mind that oc is no problem and must not face bottleneck situation.
 

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Dude, 16GB of RAM will NOT help in gaming. Stick with 8. Go with a Hyper 212 EVO/Noctua D14. They outperform CM?Corsair LCing. Get the 7970 GHz edition. It beats the 680 and 670, and with 12.8 drivers, it's even better.
 

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The 7970GHz is superior by a little bit. It's not going to bottleneck. A bottleneck is a Pentium 4 with a 680. A 3570K with 670/7970 will not bottleneck, PERIOD.

Like Obsama1 said, get the 3570K, ASRock Extreme4 Z77, 8GB of RAM, and an 670/7970.