Bill Allows Obama Power to Shut Down Internet

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I don't give a rat's @ss if obama proposed the bill or not. He will ultimately be the end recipient of the authority. The same people suffering from Bush derangement syndrome are the ones who are cheering on obama. They'd cheer him on even if he wiped out all their freedoms. "He may be a tyrant, but he's MY tyrant. "

Wrong is wrong no matter which side of the political spectrum you're on.
 
Sweden is a country with a total population less than the city of New York, and pretty much no military at all. Not to mention no immigration problems with numerous countries that are flooding in by the millions like we have in the USA. We have several times more illegal immigrants in the US draining on our social systems of money than Sweden has people total. Not exactly an equal comparison there....
 
Has anyone commenting here actually read through the bill? Here is the only line I saw that had anything to do with "shutting down the internet":

may declare a cybersecurity emergency and
6 order the limitation or shutdown of Internet traffic
7 to and from any compromised Federal government
8 or United States critical infrastructure information
9 system or network

The bill is all about stopping an attack on our government agencies and financial institutions when they have been comprimised; not about shutting down Joe Blow's internet connection just because they feel like it. If you actually take the time and read the bill, I think there are a LOT of good things there. The bill calls for education on network security and provides grants and other funds to make sure the country is "up to date" on security. It even has a section about holding open contests for any U.S. citizen to participate in for cash prizes!

Again, another misleading Tom's headline. I'm starting to think they just do this to create these unnecessary debates. Heck, I was about to throw my two cents in until I read the article and found out what the bill was actually about.
 
I'm not sure it's that huge of a deal if Obama has the power to take down the internet... It'll probably take longer for Obama to take down the internet than the 30 minutes it's projected to take a team a hackers to bring it down.
 
Again, I must comment

[citation][nom]AdamB5000[/nom]The President, alone, does not have the power to go to war with another country. A declaration of war comes from congress. Congress has to approve war. You should read our Constitution.And yes, this is too much power to be given to someone. The internet should remain untouched. It's been untouched to this point and we've coped with every problem thus far.[/citation]

Again I state, as I did before, the War Powers Resolutions of 1973 states that the President can go to war if the country is under attack or under sufficent threat. YOU SHOULD READ FACTS BEFORE CORRECTING ME.

I am really, truly surpirsed at some of the comments from this article. Especially since this is supposed to be the smart, intelligent tech community. You really didn't read the article if you conclude that "Obama is an evil man". HE DIDN'T COME UP WITH THIS BILL. Yet you guys insist to fire upon him. This is the logical thinking community? These are the people who critise tech article after tech articles about facts, yet you didn't even understand this article. People are funny.

This is too much power for one man? No kidding, why do you think A BILL COMPOSED BY THE SENATE (CONGRESS) IS PROPOSING IT. THEY (A GROUP OF PEOPLE) WANT TO GIVE HIM (1 PERSON POWER). This haven't even been voted for.

It's amazing the conclusion that some people come to. He wiped out your freedom? Really?

Man I really give up. Tom's please stick to the tech articles. Something that people can read and take facts on....
 
[citation][nom]techtre2003[/nom]Has anyone commenting here actually read through the bill? Here is the only line I saw that had anything to do with "shutting down the internet":may declare a cybersecurity emergency and6 order the limitation or shutdown of Internet traffic7 to and from any compromised Federal government8 or United States critical infrastructure information9 system or networkThe bill is all about stopping an attack on our government agencies and financial institutions when they have been comprimised; not about shutting down Joe Blow's internet connection just because they feel like it. If you actually take the time and read the bill, I think there are a LOT of good things there. The bill calls for education on network security and provides grants and other funds to make sure the country is "up to date" on security. It even has a section about holding open contests for any U.S. citizen to participate in for cash prizes!Again, another misleading Tom's headline. I'm starting to think they just do this to create these unnecessary debates. Heck, I was about to throw my two cents in until I read the article and found out what the bill was actually about.[/citation]

+1

The only guy who read the article here....
 
Up here in Canada the internet will still be on! lol

This Bill will never pass, relax! There will not be an on/off switch installed in the oval office. Besides... you can't turn the Internet off. You can block American servers, but that’s about it.. The rest of the World will keep on searching porn and logging into WoW as usual.
 
[citation][nom]kingnoobe[/nom]Still so many people not reading the article. The road to destruction was paved.. Long ago.. Sad part is.. Its the people that caused it. Parents whining because they can't control their kids so they want labels on everything, cause they don't have the time to take an interest in what their kids do. Of course that's only one part, but that general theme has been a bad thing from the start. And yet I think the goverment should be able to fire ceo..etc If we give them freaking bailouts.. Freaking A they should have to answer to us. Its not like we're giving them just a mil here a mil there. We're talking about billions, of tax payer money. If I went and bought that must stock from a company.. I got a feeling I'd get a little pull to.Although on a personal note.. Should've let all the companies fail. Yes it would've suck, it would've been a diaster.. But in the long wrong the very long run.. America as a whole would be better off.[/citation]

I agree to some extent, but you do realize that one of the main reasons the Great Depression occured was due to the fact that the US government did nothing would industries collasped.

This is saying let another Great Depression occur and we will come out stronger. It is the President and the Government jobs to try to look after America's better interest (or so in their opinion). You really think another Great Depression is America's best interest?

People you do realize, A CAPITALIST SOCIETY CANNOT BE SOCIALIST OR COMMUNIST. So many people, so little facts.
 
[citation][nom]rdawise[/nom]People you do realize, A CAPITALIST SOCIETY CANNOT BE SOCIALIST OR COMMUNIST. So many people, so little facts.[/citation]
Actually, most successful countries with the highest standards of living are both capitalist and socialist. Experiments where governments have shifted towards the polar extremes of either one tended to end badly. The US is already socialist in many respects, just as socialist in some ways as Western Europe (no universal healthcare, for example).

I've pretty much given up on getting reasonable answers out of the doom-sayers here. Nobody has yet offered anything to back the paranoia.
 
I didn't have a choice of the American president (I only get to vote for the wannabe government in Canada... atleast you guys tried to look like you're runnign a country... die Mulroney). Too bad everything done in the states directly reflects Canada... luckily I believe the only use of such a thing would be a extreme measure.

Anyways... if another country wanted to shut down my net, I'd finally enlist, get my rifle, and repeat the war of 1812. :)
No one takes my pr0n away!
 
(sigh.....) its funny and stupid the same time that almost every comment here seems to panic, obviously everyone has been addicted to the internet. IF WE LIVED WITHOUT THE INTERNET BEFORE 1995 THEN WHY THE HELL CAN'T WE NOW? JESUS CHRIST STOP CRYING!!!!
 
It comes to mind that there are presumably a lot of badly educated people in the united states or at least a lot of poorly educated people on tom's.

Why are so many shouting about socialism and communism while they clearly don't have a clue of what they are talking about?, and why are so many people typing in internet slang typo or even worse caps ?

I really did not know whether i should laugh or cry when i read a statement that lack of universal health care is an example of socialism.

The sad part is that most of the posts have some part of truth i them concerning the legislation.
No one can shut down the internet that's a given it was build (ARPA) so that even in case of an atomic war the information would still be available since in the design there is no central line.
The internet consist of more then just the www and the numerous protocols for data communication over telephone networks tv networks cell networks and radio (not limited to but including wifi) make it impossible to stop those who will make a new way to stay connected.
The legislation is here for a reason and even though i don't agree i can see that some do.
On the other hand who is going to make sure it wont be abused or used outside the preliminary markups for the legislation (it wont be hard to change it when it is in place).

To make sure no one can abuse power people should make sure there is not enough power to abuse.
Freedom and safety both can go hand in hand as long as its not going to be an far end of either side of the scale.

back to the whole left vs right thing that seems to be going on ...
It almost seems like americans (or tom's readers) are all extremists they are either against the communists or against the capitalism while the average joe in the united states is neither a capitalist nor a communist.

Why not accept both left and right wings and pick the battle's on in example the content of the legislation in stead of blindly picking a party to agree with ?
 
The senator who passed this bill has something bad in his mind. why would he pass this kind of bill anyway? what is his name anyway? (ring any bell?)

This bill in not all about security! This is about controlling the whole world!

Stupid people who ignore this are people who juust look at what other people want them to see. You idiots! There are so many things behind this bill!
 
I read most of that bill ! It will change the internet because new internet protocols will be developed! No more TCP/IP in 3-5 years.
They want to pinpoint any transmision, no more proxi servers,where is your freedom ? where is your privacy ?you will be controled by the corporations thru the goverment enforcement.You are not a socialist state. The only socialist service you have in your USA is wellfare.
If you have a mortal but treatable disease and have no health insurance and no money to treat yourself you will die in USA.

read books , investigate - The Shock Doctrine by Naomi Klein ,
google - Zeitgeist the movie
 
I read most of that bill ! It will change the internet because new internet protocols will be developed! No more TCP/IP in 3-5 years.
They want to pinpoint any transmision, no more proxi servers,where is your freedom ? where is your privacy ?you will be controled by the corporations thru the goverment enforcement.You are not a socialist state. The only socialist service you have in your USA is wellfare.
If you have a mortal but treatable disease and have no health insurance and no money to treat yourself you will die in USA.

Bush senior, Clinton, Bush junior, Clinton, and now Obama make the same threats and recomandations to the hole world, they only seek the interest of big Corporations, they don't give a f*** about you in the end.
Money rule over you, and big money are made by the 12 federal banks wich 11 of them are privatly owned. They make the MONEY your goverment takes as loans, you take the money as loans because you have more debt than salary. Yes the US $ dollars are made by private banks!!! Do you think that the clans that rule the banks and economies like The Rothschilds, The Rockefellers ,

1999 Combined Statements of Income
of the Federal Reserve Banks
(in millions)

Interest income
Interest on U.S. government securities $28,216
Interest on foreign securities 225
Interest on loans to depository institutions 11
Other income 688
-------
Total operating income 29,140

Operating expenses
Salaries and benefits 1,446
Occupancy expense 189
Assessments by Board of Governors 699
Equipment expense 242
Other 302
-------
Total operating expenses 2,878

Net Income Prior to Distribution $26,262

Distribution of Net Income
Dividends paid to member banks 374
Transferred to surplus 479
Payments to U.S. Treasury 25,409
-------
Total distribution 26,262

Source: 86th Annual Report of the Board of Governors, p.335.



As you see here : Interest income
Interest on U.S. government securities $28,216

wich is goverments bonds = taxpayer money

read books , investigate - The Shock Doctrine by Naomi Klein,
google - Zeitgeist the movie


I live in EU where all the banks are guverment owned and they all work for the citizen not for private profit seekers
 
Democratic Sen. John Rockefeller and Sen. Olympia Snowe
Click to expand...

These names should tell you everything you need to know. The Rockefellers were the ones who wanted banking to be privatized...

We are already enslaved. Democracy has been sold. The general public is just too stupid to see it yet.
 
[citation][nom]daekar[/nom]This is actually incorrect. Constitutionally speaking, the President does not have the authority to declare war on another country. He is permitted to ask Congress, and it is Congress alone that holds the power to formally declare war on another country. [/citation]

I think technically The President can send troops anywhere in the world for up to 30 days without Congress approval. If after that, the military must pull out without it.

I believe is true, but it's been a while since I've heard this.
 
I think Obama has been given too much power!
Not only to control the war in Iraq, but also with the blunder of the bailout. I feel USA is heading for destruction if they put their hopes too much on this one man!

Not to mention, who will become president after him will also have that power, and might use it for the worse!
 
[citation][nom]hemelskonijn[/nom]kategra84:Your a moron no bank in west europe is owned by any government.[/citation]


i meant CENTRAL BANKS, you showld read more hemelskonijn

examples : Banca d'Italia
Banco de España
Banco de Portugal
Τράπεζα της Ελλάδος (Bank of Greece)
Banka Slovenije
Banque Centrale du Luxembourg
Central Bank of Cyprus
Banque de France
Central Bank and Financial Services Authority of Ireland
Bank Ċentrali ta’ Malta
De Nederlandsche Bank
Deutsche Bundesbank
Nationale Bank van België / Banque nationale de Belgique
Národná banka Slovenska
Österreichische Nationalbank
Suomen Pankki
Banca Nationala a Romaniei
 
kategra84:

If you might mean central banks but you wrote:

"I live in EU where all the banks are guverment owned and they all work for the citizen not for private profit seekers"

Which implies all banks ... or wait a minute it does not imply all banks it actually says all banks.
 
Things are so-o-o-o much better since Obama has been sworn in. I think McCain was wrong in the debates when he said that Obama was naive. It was America that was naive.
 
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